Addicted to dissociation

[BillyBrain]

Addicted to dissociation ( ketamine and methoxetamine addiction )

I've just smoke about 1g of mxe in a few hours , i'm on ketamine since 2 months, i've quit all the others drugs, but i cannot stop that shit.
Ketamine, pcp, mxe....

What the fuck man ? I mean is not coke, is not heroine.

Anyone here addicted to dissociative ?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Ketamine, pcp, mxe..

I was unaware that PCP was available in Western Europe.

I mean is not coke, is not heroin.

And you think those are the only addictive drugs? Dissociatives can have powerful addictive tendencies. Here are a couple (1, 2) of subthreads dealing with addictions to specific dissociatives. And the British exorbitant exuberance for ketamine is well known.

 

[choco1ate]

i'm really curious what's pcp like? in comparison with mxe and ket

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

i'm really curious what's pcp like? in comparison with mxe and ket

The B&D thread is a good source of centralized discussion on the drug, more than one attempt has been made to elucidate this, and give those of us without the luck to try it a better picture of the experience. And there are always TRs, even if a direct comparison isn't made, you should be able to make one through inference with the information you gather.

 

[dextrorfan]

I know what you mean entirely, dissociatives are really easy to get addicted to. Being able to slip into an oblivion where you're god on a regular basis is pretty appealing.

 

[thikal]

I think dissociatives, more than any other recreative drugs give you the equilibrium (equanimity) you can have with extensive meditation practice/illumination an that is that feeling you are addicted to. I see drugs addiction as an inconscientious tentative/need to attain samadhi (and I think we all share this need in ourselves, drugs addicts are just more sensitive to this "call"). Drugs give you a false sense of union with god, but finally distant you a little bit more every time you take them.

Drugs/illumination = The two opposite face of a coin.

We just have to let go drugs and replace it by meditation practice. Easier said than done

Big kiss couz' and much love

(a little precision: drugs aren't psychedelics for me, drugs = adictives psychoactives)
(and sorry for my approximative english hehe)

 

[Tii]

Ive heard cases of both ketamine, pcp, and dxm addiction. The feeling of dissoaciation is quiet nice however these drugs should be done safely and occasonally

 

[kidklmx]

I was unaware that PCP was available in Western Europe.

Maybe this feels like some "I can get anything"-post, but at least in Holland it's sometimes available. PCP freakouts freaked me out, so I'm not doing it, but I know of some friends that have had PCP.

 

[Dioxy]

I think dissociatives, more than any other recreative drugs give you the equilibrium (equanimity) you can have with extensive meditation practice/illumination an that is that feeling you are addicted to. I see drugs addiction as an inconscientious tentative/need to attain samadhi (and I think we all share this need in ourselves, drugs addicts are just more sensitive to this "call"). Drugs give you a false sense of union with god, but finally distant you a little bit more every time you take them.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Becoming addicted to dissociation seems to be the need for that sense of inner stillness - a detachment from the 'noise' that surrounds our day to day thoughts, threatening us with constant stress and anxiety. There are healthier, more reliable ways to achieve it. Best of luck BillyBrain, take it from those of us that have seen this affliction to its bitter lows - it's never, ever worth it. Take your experiences with dissociatives and use the understanding of the feeling you seek to aim towards achieving that feeling without drugs - I beg of you!

 

[Delsyd]

I find dissociatives to be more addictive than Stims or opiates.

 

[immad]

From time to time, my emotions seem to not really "hit" me, so to say. A couple of low doses of ketamine reminded me a of that feeling. Is there something that does the opposite of dissociation?

 

[Solipsis]

The opposite of emotional dissociation is empathogenesis I guess, but empathogens mix nicely with dissociatives.

The opposite of the ego dissolution of dissociatives would be ego inflation which makes me think of cocaine and mephedrone, and for me those do not mix fruitfully with dissociatives.

The opposite of body vs. mind dissociation might be found in something like 2C-B which is very sensual and visceral IMO. Dissociatives blend uniquely with that.

But finally dissociation is just the flipside of unity I think... one's severed spirit might be in unity with the void, but there isn't really anything there is there? Integration remains essential.

 

[Crashing]

I found ketamine to be extremely addictive and was using it daily for a few months at one point. I also used DXM daily at one point in my life too. Dissociative are very addicting for some people like myself. We are probably overly introverted beings

 

[immad]

Empathogens can indeed feel very nice, however, psychedelics seem to touch something empathogens don't. Stims can be nice, but not more than that and 2C-B is just boring IME.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I've just smoke about 1g of mxe in a few hours , i'm on ketamine since 2 months, i've quit all the others drugs, but i cannot stop that shit.
Ketamine, pcp, mxe....

What the fuck man ? I mean is not coke, is not heroine.

Anyone here addicted to dissociative ?

I always found dissociatives much more compulsive and addictive than opiates or strong stimulants personally. They're the ultimate "escape drug" since well that's exactly what you do at higher doses - completely leave the world behind.

That said from what I've seen the addictions to these substances are quite different: With dissociatives for example it's more that during your period of use you can become so absorbed in that world it becomes reality for you, and you don't want to leave that reality behind, often the addiction can become incredibly engrossing because you can quickly become quite delusional and become convinced your dissociatives are the answer to life etc and that you're not addicted. The good thing is that with dissociatives, once you've managed to stop, there usually aren't all that many cravings left over and you usually don't experience much in the way of any physical symptoms. With say opiates for example it's more about the sheer good feeling you get when you take them, and while it might be easier to see that you're addicted and decide to stop, once you do stop you're often greeted with intense cravings that you can't seem to beat, along with intense physical withdrawal.

I think that surprises people because a lot of people lump dissociatives and psychedelics together when they're a far different breed of animal both in terms of effects and in terms of side-effects/addiction.