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[evvvvvv]

I don't know what a lot of the things you listed were, but clonodine is very highly under-rated. it has gotten me through some rough nights. It's by no means a godsend, but it is really nice to have. I usually take 4 little white ones (.5's i think - but that's all I have usually, no cocktail), and they eventually let me get some sleep!
All the best!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm going to merge this into the appropriate thread.

 

[556m4]

Thank You just looking for some input on what drugs to use and when. I have a pretty good idea but just looking for input from everybody on here who has been in similar situations some time in their life.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

clonidine to help with BP issues and to help chills/ cold sweats, clonazepam, diazepam or even tranxene (clorazepate) as a benzo to help chill you out and make you less anxious and it will also lessen the intensity of some symptoms, you will also need a muscle relaxer *despite the benzo helping relax muscles* (my favorites are baclofen and tizanadine), & to help chill you out in addition to the benzos and MR's hydroxyzine will do that and it will also potentiate the benzos so you can use less,next.. zyprexa or seroquel to help sleep, be sure that when you take either zyprexa or seroquel to take a muscle relaxer (not a lot of it tho) to help with the restless legs that the antipsychotics *can* make worse, if you're not into antipsychotics or can't acquire any than maybe a tricyclic antidepressant will help (amitriptalyine (sp?), imipramine, or doxepin maybe?).. but same RLS warning if those are taken also.

I donno if i helped any i just listed meds for opiate w/d.
Take them when you feel you need them, you really don't need us to tell you when to take them.. if you know anything about the meds you are going to be using, than you should know when they are needed.

Good luck if you are going to be w/ding.
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-HOOD

 

[Ftain]

Support wanted

We have been addicted to hydros for more than a couple of years. We both took spontaneous time off (ten days) and are relying on the Thomas recipe to deal with the whole "sick n tired of b'n sick n tired" thing. We are going c/t from 70-140 mg's a day... Each. Anyway, I've just read about clonidine. Can the dr. that prescribes me the opiates, prescribe that for my withdrawal? Or should I seek out another. And are the benefits all they claim to be? Also, how important is the trazadone....
Speedy responses are certainly welcome ... I'm on an 11 day clock to be able to perform at a high level then

 

[Estar]

I know this Fourum is quite old, however if anyone who has beating an ICE addication. PLEASE TELL ME HOW.. Not just ICE, plus GHB. I am a normal girl who works full time and has a susessfull job, lives in a nice house, nice area, nice family and went to a nice school. How the fuck did this happen??

When I realisd that I might start to have a problem is when I stated puffing by myself, before work feeling uneal at work. Not tired, alert and doing extreamly well. I then started puffing on my lunch break and before I knew it, I AM IN LOVE WITH IT, However I am so much better than this and I can see ths ending very badly.

I have so many different feelings, I dont want to stop. I dont think I am addicted as yet. However I have not had one morning in 3 weeks without it. I am slowly not speaking to my close friends since they dont like it and dont know I have been doing it so much.

My other mates who are in a worse position than I am with it, have told me that this is how it start and to STOP NOW>

last night I didnt have, I called everyone who I knew who would have and they didnt. I finally found some, however was in the worst mood, because all I wanted to do is wake up in the morning. Have a big burn by myself. I am now starting to think that I am becoming a JOKE> Most nights, when I come home from work, I will have a plung of GHB then stay up all night, maybe get a couples of house sleep then puff again in the morning.

Like I said I know this is bad and I know I am slowly starting to become addicted however, I dont want to stop.

PLEASE SOME ADVISE???

 

[Legerity]

^It's good that you're able to foresee problems in the future. It's easy to put on the blinders and ignore the present and future consequences of what we're doing.(Meth)amphetamines are also what I have had the most problems with and which I am most likely to use excessively.

Do you feel able to stop completely? If not, are you able to avoid daily use? It's good that you're managing to get some sleep but becoming dependent on GHB for that will also be problematic.

Also, oral use tends to cause fewer problems from what I've read and seen. Over here speed always comes in pill form. They're likely to be meth although depending on where you get them I believe some are plain amphetamine too. It's still possible to put the body through the wringer but I've not really seen or experienced the nightmare stories that people describe from smoking meth.

 

[SisterSeahorse]

As brand new to Bluelight (my first post) ~ I am also a licensed but disabled RN, I feel that I became addicted even as I was taking medication for actual PAIN. I would like to ask if anyone believes that addiction actually CAN occur (not commonly accepted) along with tolerance even if actual chronic physical PAIN is the reason (initially, at least) for taking the drugs. I am referring to oxycodone/apap, aka percocet, and oxycontin. :/

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Of course. That is how many people gt into it.

It's not how I did though.

This year I was in excruciating pain for at least the first 4 months and minus one day of surgery, had no pain killers. I did have buprenorphine though - but it wasn't nearly effective enough.

 

[nineteen42]

reading about addiction makes me cry....even when i'm on the pills.

I started taking oxy about six months ago...it's such a good feeling...and I can't believe how fast my tolerance has climbed. The last two months or so I've been up to 300-400mg (i think the most i've done was 550mg) a day. IN SIX MONTHS! it's a lot of money and a lot of pain...even when I'm on the pills I'm not really happy. Because I know i'm going to go through the hell of w/ding at some point. My brain is weird, if i dont have something to look forward to I can't be happy. It's always looking towards the future.

The worst part is last year my mother moved to Europe...and I haven't visited her since I started. I need to quit soon so I can visit her in august/september like i tol her i would...but it's going to be hell, if i can even make it. hopefully the love for my mother will win against the pills. i hate the thought that i can't go visit my mother (or travel anywhere else) without these pills....it just makes me so sad...i can't even describe it...my mother is in her mid fifties and across the world so I only have so many days left in my life that i'll be with her. it kills me every day. i love her beyond words and that is my biggest weapon against quitting these fucking pills.

i look at the world around me and wonder how all these people can go about life and smile without pills. isn't that rediculous? i can't even imagine it anymore. i completely envy my past self...i could just be happy sitting down watching tv...play some video games...maybe smoke a little herb. all was good, but i just HAD to take it a step further and get into oxy. luckily, i've never done H before but i'm no dummy about it, i know that oxy is no better (maybe worse) than H. i've even thought about switching because i've heard that the withdrawal for H is more tolerable. i'd rather have a more intense but shorter w/d than a prolonged but milder one.

i have kept my habit a secret from absolutely everyone I know in real life. only people on the internet know. I know i'm going to have to let it out at some point...i really cant take it much longer...i still go out with friends because i know it's very important i keep friends for when i hopefully quit, but each time i go out i have to have a bunch of pills in my pack of cigs and pop them when no ones around. since my tolerance is so high i act completely normal so no one has suspected a damn thing.

I like to think since i've only been doing it half a year, i'll be able to quit and get away and eventually restore my happiness to what it was...but i think that's a fools wish. i'm probably fucked forever in that department. but i'm going to try my damndest anyway...i'm crying as i write this post...

when i go through withdrawal, i like to think of it as an endurance test. only this time there's no next score that i look forward to. this will be the TRUE endurance test....awake, shaking and sweating for days (possibly weeks) until i get my first full satisfying night of sleep. a barrage of weed and baths. it's the only way i can get by...

if you're reading this and you're not addicted yet...STOP. STOP. STOP. STOP. STOP. you might think you're sad and depressed now....but no, you're waaaaaaaaaay WAY happier than you will be down this road. ask ANYBODY who does it. YOU NEED TO STOP. YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT....NO ONE CAN...JUST GET OUT BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. if i manage to get clean, and say i got into a car accident and got a script of oxys, i'd be scared for my life yet again...it's so not worth it...

this post is hardly as articulate and moving as some of the other posts but i have such a flurry of emotions right now i can barely type...just take it from an addict, it's not worth it.

 

[verso]

As brand new to Bluelight (my first post) ~ I am also a licensed but disabled RN, I feel that I became addicted even as I was taking medication for actual PAIN. I would like to ask if anyone believes that addiction actually CAN occur (not commonly accepted) along with tolerance even if actual chronic physical PAIN is the reason (initially, at least) for taking the drugs. I am referring to oxycodone/apap, aka percocet, and oxycontin. :/

I cannot speak from experience, exactly, but I do know more than one person for whom this was the case. I would have to say that it definitely happens and happens more often than we'd like to think.

 

[bluedom]

I was thinking of starting a new thread self centred on my taper but I decided to add to this one since some of the posts really hit me. My story is that I am prescribed a 50mcg/hr fentanyl patch as of Oct 2010 (and on strong equivalent opiates since Jul 2010, almost a year!). I have figured out how to extract fentanyl from the patches and use it intranasally (IN). Either way I've reduced my use so that I'm okay on a 12.5mcg/hr patch (I cut the 50mcg/hr patch into 4 pieces). I'm now about a month from my refill and I want to stop for several reasons (and then perhaps use again when I get my refill but that should also be tapering down---my doctor just keeps giving me the 50mcg/hr patches even though we discuss going down the "next time"). So I have the following options:

1. Keep using - the 12.5mcg/hr patch for another month and get my refill and continue my dependence (which has gone down from 50mcg/hr to 12.5mcg/hr). This will be hard since I like to extract and get a rush.

2. Stop - right now I'm using IN extracts of the patches that are EXTREMELY dilute (say 25mcg/ml) but this equals to the 12.5mcg/hr patches. This would get rid of my dependence, BUT I want this to be painless. I have been able to reduce the 50mcg/hr -> 12.5mcg/hr painlessly using gabapentin + tramadol + codeine.

On top of this I have to manage some spinal pain but I think it's about time I went off the opiates and dealt with the pain with other things like ibuprofen. People may say I shouldn't bother to get off and while I enjoy being on the fentanyl sometimes it is not necessary and it has kept me a prisoner. If I don't have the patch dose I get really nervous and whenever I actually wear the patches, my showers aren't so relaxing anymore (since I am worried about water and the patch)... the patches were a godsend but now I want to be free from them. More than the compound itself, the patch itself has started to annoy me.

I also have a tendency to addiction (alcohol) and so I don't want to go there with opiates. Fortunately so far at least I seem to be able to stay within the parametres of my doctor.

I'm writing all this to express myself and I'm happy to hear any opinions. This isn't the first time i've decided to get off (though this might be the best attempt yet). I'm so tempted to extract out another 5.1mg patch (I have two left, i.e., these deliver the 50mcg/hr dose and I can wear 4 quarter pieces for 8-12 days). But I just want to stop with extracts I have (about 120ml of 25mcg/ml fentanyl solution), gabapentin (150 800mg pills), tramadol (about 80 100mg pills), and codeine (about 20 15mg pills).

I am very very apprehensive about the last drop of 12.5mg/hr -> 0 and I've always backed off from doing it. This time I want to do it leaving the 2 fentanyl patches (8 doses if I wear) I have and only when I am off completely (what would this be, a week without ANY fentanyl?) do I want to try them again. The dilemma is that if I use the 12.5mcg/hr for 8 doses then I'm still dependent on the fentanyl and all I do is prolong the day I get off. If I abuse the 2 patches I have left, then I think I'll be making my WD worse.

I really want to get to a state where my brain isn't used to the opiates constantly, and feel the same way I feel when I take a small dose of opiates now (12.5mcg/hr). I guess this is what everyone who's dependent wants...

 

[amapola]

I really want to get to a state where my brain isn't used to the opiates constantly, and feel the same way I feel when I take a small dose of opiates now (12.5mcg/hr). I guess this is what everyone who's dependent wants...

Indeed but it really isn't that much to ask is it

I think the first step for you is not extracting anymore patches and not looking for the rush on fent. Because you are a legitimate pain management patient it might not be feasible to get off opioids completely, and either way it is going to make jumping off more difficult. Stick with the patches solely as they are meant to be used, don't extract them, don't put them in your mouth, don't use a lot on at once, just don't abuse them in any way and that is how you can beat the drug.

From that point you can try tapering down some more until you find a pain management amount that works for you whether it involves no opioids or just a few.

You already recognized that it is going to be difficult for you to stop abusing while still using because you enjoy getting high and just taking them as intended seems harder than stopping altogether. As I said though the actual pain might have you in a bind and cold turkey in this situation might actually be the easy way out

 

[bluedom]

I think you're absolutely right. The last 2-3 times I've tried CT I've had too much discomfort, but this was going down from 50mcg/hr in one shot. Actually I've come close but kind of ruined it by getting a refill. With the patch and the IR and the gabapentin and the tramadol and codeine it has gotten really confusing about how long I should wait to say I am "done". I've gone 4-5 days now without any fentanyl, but I think it was only the last 1-2 days that I felt WD (this was with gabapentin but no codeine or tramadol and it was on the patch which has a long half life). I've gone a couple of weeks on the 12.5mcg/hr patch (wearing it) and so I know I can go down that far without any discomfort.

I've got to say that with opiates I don't feel the feedback I felt with alcohol since my supply is limited. So yeah, the first days of my refill I feel great but once I start minding my dose I only take enough to stave off WD so I keep thinking it is "wasted" (which is good I think, since the feedback isn't there due to the rapid tolerance). With alcohol what happened (and happens I believe in addiction to alcohol) is that the amount of alcohol you can consume actually goes down during the addiction process. That is, you lose tolerance due to the damage done to your body so a smaller amount of alcohol is enough to get you "high" and this is when the true addiction (loss of control) starts. Current treatment focuses on this.

Indeed but it really isn't that much to ask is it

I think the first step for you is not extracting anymore patches and not looking for the rush on fent. Because you are a legitimate pain management patient it might not be feasible to get off opioids completely, and either way it is going to make jumping off more difficult. Stick with the patches solely as they are meant to be used, don't extract them, don't put them in your mouth, don't use a lot on at once, just don't abuse them in any way and that is how you can beat the drug.

From that point you can try tapering down some more until you find a pain management amount that works for you whether it involves no opioids or just a few.

You already recognized that it is going to be difficult for you to stop abusing while still using because you enjoy getting high and just taking them as intended seems harder than stopping altogether. As I said though the actual pain might have you in a bind and cold turkey in this situation might actually be the easy way out

 

[bluedom]

Well, I am done with the fentanyl and codeine. The gabepentin has lost its tolerance so it's mostly useless. I just have the tramadol left and about 50ml of second level extractions left (might have a few molecules of fentanyl per ml). Let's see how good my taper down was...

 

[amapola]

Good luck! Just think how great it'll feel on the other side and how much you'll appreciate everyday once sober. Like when you have a chancre sore you are always biting down on it and you just wish you didn't have a chancre sore but then once it is gone you don't appreciate not having a chancre sore. Sorry about the weak analogy.

Here...The Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ

Kick some ass!

 

[williamishopeless]

Hi I am a new user,
I joined to get a little support for my problem a little background info in january of this year I was snorting and injecting around 120 mg of oxycodone today well shit hit the fan with parents and all I felt like a horrible person so I agreed to do 3 months in treatment I got out and had no problem saying no when offered anything but just recently in the last 3 weeks things have gotten bad for me I met a recovering friend who I relapsed with at first just taking loratabs every day or two but quickly it got to the point that it is now where im snorting 3 or 4 roxies a day as soon as I quit I get that horribile nervouse feeling but guys someone has to help me out I feel so guilty every minute of every day I look at my grandparents and knowin I have there trust and them not knowing that im back at it almost kills me puts me into tears I wanna stop now last pill was a roxie this morning but I have very bad anxiety issues and im already unbearably nervouse I was considering suboxone because I know withought something ill keep slipping until I fall all the way down so does anyone have any advice on finding a doctor that I could explain my situation to maybe get something to calm my nerves withought my parents being informed? I just want to see a doctor alone and be totally honest with him and see what happens ya know I dont want to ruin my life over this and I dont want to go through the bullshit again, so any help is appreciated thanks. and also any advice on meds that may help me that a doctor would be willing to consider narcotic or non narcotic.

 

[bluedom]

Thanks! I am however taking up to 400mg of tramadol per day. I presume this will effect my WD since so far I've not felt that much (currently nearing 48 hours).

Good luck! Just think how great it'll feel on the other side and how much you'll appreciate everyday once sober. Like when you have a chancre sore you are always biting down on it and you just wish you didn't have a chancre sore but then once it is gone you don't appreciate not having a chancre sore. Sorry about the weak analogy.

Here...The Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ

Kick some ass!

 

[bluedom]

Go to http://suboxone.com/ and see if you can find a doctor there near you. They can definitely help.

I am also doing it on my own. I am nearing 48 hours from my last dose and haven't felt very much. Of course I also took 300mg of tramadol (which definitely helps for me*)

The first time I took tramadol I thought it was blissful and euphoric, the best, better than the oxycodone I was taking. I thought it was the best but I've not recaptured that feeling. Also I took about 200mg of diphenhydramine to take my mind off the mild WDs I was having and now I feel FANTASTIC! Has anyone experienced this? Rather than sitting through WD, I am feeling mildly euphoric with this combo.

Hi I am a new user,
I joined to get a little support for my problem a little background info in january of this year I was snorting and injecting around 120 mg of oxycodone today well shit hit the fan with parents and all I felt like a horrible person so I agreed to do 3 months in treatment I got out and had no problem saying no when offered anything but just recently in the last 3 weeks things have gotten bad for me I met a recovering friend who I relapsed with at first just taking loratabs every day or two but quickly it got to the point that it is now where im snorting 3 or 4 roxies a day as soon as I quit I get that horribile nervouse feeling but guys someone has to help me out I feel so guilty every minute of every day I look at my grandparents and knowin I have there trust and them not knowing that im back at it almost kills me puts me into tears I wanna stop now last pill was a roxie this morning but I have very bad anxiety issues and im already unbearably nervouse I was considering suboxone because I know withought something ill keep slipping until I fall all the way down so does anyone have any advice on finding a doctor that I could explain my situation to maybe get something to calm my nerves withought my parents being informed? I just want to see a doctor alone and be totally honest with him and see what happens ya know I dont want to ruin my life over this and I dont want to go through the bullshit again, so any help is appreciated thanks. and also any advice on meds that may help me that a doctor would be willing to consider narcotic or non narcotic.

 

[williamishopeless]

Go to http://suboxone.com/ and see if you can find a doctor there near you. They can definitely help.

I am also doing it on my own. I am nearing 48 hours from my last dose and haven't felt very much. Of course I also took 300mg of tramadol (which definitely helps for me*)

The first time I took tramadol I thought it was blissful and euphoric, the best, better than the oxycodone I was taking. I thought it was the best but I've not recaptured that feeling. Also I took about 200mg of diphenhydramine to take my mind off the mild WDs I was having and now I feel FANTASTIC! Has anyone experienced this? Rather than sitting through WD, I am feeling mildly euphoric with this combo.

I dont know man sounds great cause i got a script of trams I never used because they gave me that and duragisc patches for pain I just used the patch but after a lil research looks like tramadol could be perfect to help, Not a true opiate so I can taper it and possiblly still pass my drug screens, Also the few times i took it i just felt at ease maybe a touch but not much euphoria so maybe it well help my mental obsession with that feeling of pure pliss, I never took that much benadryl oral but when I was still in hospital getting injections of sublmaise my tolerance was so high that they had to give me enought to make me puke up stomach acid and scratch till i bled just to get the pain down to a 8 it was msiserable but anyway they would give me shots of benadrl for the itching and it was damn relaxing!!, Also cant see sub doc with no parent im a minor and I need to save up money from working a min wage job at chuckee chesse just to pay for the visit and script, but i scored a few subutex today I find after one use it illeviates craving and withdrawl for days so I plan on usin 3- 4 times then taper that hopefully besides counselling thaats the only help I need!