adderall usage and important questions

[jase03771]

This may need to be moved to medical, so feel free. Anyway, since January, I've been taking adderall and it really does help me to get my business taken care of. The problem is that sometimes I get completely scatterbrained, like I have to right everything down now and sometimes I just feel outright stupid. My dose right now is 40 mg daily and no I didn't bs the doc (that much hehe) And ya, sometimes (rarely) I'll take a few extra (around 60-80 mg). I eat pretty good and take the vitamins and all that, but just wondering if I'm gonna make myself a retard later. A while back Phreex posted a guide to withdrawal, but I can't remember if it was for amphetamines or opiates, but if someone could link me to it I'd appreciate it. I only plan on taking it about another year while I get some stuff done in my life, but I don't wanna completely fry myself. Oh yah, occasionally I roll (about every 2 months)...does addy have any effect on that cause of all the dopamine release? I've studied on the subject of all of this, but figured maybe you guys could give me a little more accurate info. I really do like the stuff a lot, but the last thing I need is to add another addiction to my list

. Sorry bout all the rambling, I need not explain why

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Phreex and SL55, I know adderall isn't shit compared to what you guys have done, but I figured you 2 would be able to give the best advice...maybe I should just turn into an opiate freak

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[HydrA]

40mg a day!?!?! and your not prescribed! dude, you are abusing this stuff!! And if you take it on the day of a roll, it will most surely make that roll more neurotoxic...i would say this is a bad idea to anyone, to take chemicals to help you in the work or school place, you should be able to succeed WITHOUT them, and if you start taking them in order to succeed, it may be extremely difficult to go back to normal. Don't rely on chemicals for help in daily life, or you got a really busy day or something and can keep it to once in a while, fine, but try not to make a habit out of it. Anyway, why don't you try a day without any of the adderall, see how it goes for you...try a week...then a month = ) remember, addiction is mental as it is physical, so just tell yourself you dont need that chemical, the mind is strong!
~Hydra

 

[puffbunnyx]

yah, that is way too much. Most people take 10 mg a day.15-20 is considered steep in the medicial field. Adderall is long lasting stuff too. You will obviously have withdrall symptoms. I would take a break from a whileand try using the stuff again at a lower dosage.

 

[jase03771]

Ok people, did you not read my post? I am PRESCRIBED 40 mg daily, so if I'm "abusing" it by taking my daily dose, excuse the hell out of me. I don't need to be lectured like a little kid about daily life-I'm 24 and just started taking it in January. I've gone through my whole life without being on any type of medication, so I know that I can continue to do so...what I was saying was that it helps A LOT right now because there are a lot of things going on in my life right now that normally don't and it helps me to get my shit taken care of in an orderly manner. And no shit I'm gonna have withdrawal, why do you think I was asking for Phreex's guide he wrote up? Sorry if this is so pissy, but people really need to read the posts and RE-read their responses before posting. I asked for advice, not a lecture or what someone, most likely ignorant on the topic, thinks is too much...perhaps Phreex or SL55 would be the ones to direct my questions to since I'm sure they probably know a little more about the topic than most others. And by the way, I wasn't talking about taking the adderall WITH the roll...I wanted to know if the fact that I TOOK IT AT ALL would have anything to do with the way that I roll.
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[applesbliss]

What is your question?
More importantly what you were prescribed 40 mg. of adderal for?
This isn't a lecture. This is just advice

Just because a doctor prescribes you medicine does not mean that it's the best thing for you or that you aren't going to have any nasty side effects from it.
If it were me I'd use adderal on occasion, not everyday. There is no doubt that everyday use for extended period of times of adderal is going to have an effect on your health and your brain chemistry.
You say you've studyed adderal. So I'm assuming you at least have a basic understanding of how it works on the brain.
It's not going to "fry" your brain.
Why do you stand by the fact that it was prescribed for you
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I am PRESCRIBED 40 mg daily, so if I'm "abusing" it by taking my daily dose

and no I didn't bs the doc (that much hehe)

In my many, many, months of meth bingeing I surely noticed my meth use having an effect conflicting with my "rolls".
The "rolls" would begin to feel more like a meth high instead of a MDxx high and the high was dulled. And this wasn't from tolerance(Entirly) because I spaced my "rolls" out a few months in between, always post-loading and pre-loading.
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[bornThird]

Ignore every ass that says you're taking too much. This may be so, but there is no way they know it. If there's one thing we know about Adderall, it is that people's reactions to it vary GREATLY. For example, I know of a 6-year old boy who takes 60mg a day; a 20-year old who takes 7.5mg a day. When you're prescribed adderall, they start at the lowest dose possible and work their way up. It can take up to a year to find the correct "dose" - maybe it is taking 5mg, 2.5 two hours later, 20mg 4 hours later, etc, etc.
The point is, mgs really don't mean all that much. Asshole #1 could be out of his mind on 20mg, while Ass #2 wouldn't notice anything at all.
Here is my advice to you, IF you are as concerned as you say you are, and want to take adderall ONLY for medicinal purposes:
1)Do NOT use it recreationally. Large rec doses will only fuck up your tolerance.
2)Cut back on the dose until you find the "perfect" dose that you can still get things accomplished on, but don't feel "drugged." That is when adderall works the best for NON-rec purposes: when you DON'T feel like you're ON A DRUG. It is a sublte motivator when taken right. You sound as if you're kind of scattered-brained: you're probably taking too much too often. Hey, your DOC can help you with this. This is what THEY are there for. Go in and say you think that all of a sudden the dose you've been taken is too much, and you want to cut back to see if you can still get "clinical use" out of a smaller dose.
Long term affects? The word is indecisive at best, depending on which study you look at, and then look at who FUNDED the study. Quitting isn't all that hard, as far as withdrawls go. Do it with the help of a doctor. Or, just slowly taper off. You aren't doing anything illegal, they are TRAINED for this. If your doc is an ass, find a new one.
Hope this helped some...

 

[jase03771]

Thank you bornThird, that was the type of answer I was looking for. I started off with 20 mg, then with each office visit I answered his questions and he increased my dosage, without me asking for it. It's only at times that I feel "scatterbrained", but I think maybe a lower dosage would be a good idea to at least try out.

 

[PhreeX]

40mg a day is defnitly considered a "high" dose - and yeah, you're going to have withdrawal.. there isn't much you can do for amphetamine withdrawal, unlike how you can take loperamide to counter-act narcotic withdrawal, you just kinda gotta suck it up... you made your bed, so now lay in it..
Since you have a script for 40mg a day, this means you heave a steady supply.. how about you space it out? Take the extra only a few days a week, then you will only be without for a short while.. there is no way you should be kicking if you're scripted that much - how about you start scripting? Go to another doctor and ask for adderall, use differn't pharmacies..
You could always keep some meth on hand for the rough days...
But no matter what, there is NOTHING WRONG with medicating with amphetamines - some will say it's bad that you need them to get through your day, but this isn't the case..
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[jase03771]

Applebliss,
Yes you are right, just because it was prescribed for me doesn't mean that I won't get the bad effects from it. The reason that I said I was prescribed for it is because whats his name said that I wasn't...just clarifying. 40 mg is a lot to be taking, and I would like to reduce the dosage to see if it works without the "drugged up" feeling. I think I've built a tolerence already though, but I have benzos, so I can deal with the withdrawal. The thing that sucks is that there is so much going on in my life right now, I don't know if I even want to deal with it right now. Withdrawal will be a bitch, I'm well aware of, but right now I think I'd rather deal with it in a month or two when everything has settled down
.. I'm gonna talk to my doc and see, probably in a month or two I'll ask him about completely getting off of it. There's all kinds of other things you can use to help with the withdrawal, besides that, it only lasts for so long...I can handle it, even though it's a bitch. I know the longer I take it, the more I'm gonna be dependent on it. I consider myself to be a rec drug user and I don't wanna depend on a drug to get me through my life. The thing that sucks is that it really helps me to get my shit done and I'm not sure I wanna completely quit taking it. Aside from the "euphoric" feelng (which is totally different from the first days), it really is beneficial in my life as far as motivation and getting things done. Maybe 10-20 mg every other day would work out better. Oh well, I'm gonna talk to my doc and see what he says...he seems to have no problem upping my dose everytime I go in, and I really don't bs him when I go in for office visits.

 

[jase03771]

Phreex,
Yah, I'm cool with 20 mg in the morning, maybe even dropping to 10 later. The people that think medicating with amphetamines is bad are full of bs and need to realize how much they can help if used the way they're meant to be. Of course, having a little fun every now and then with a few extra is cool too

. Phreex-on the scripting...do they not keep close tabs on the forms they send to the DEA? I thought about doing that anyway cause I give a lot of em away, and it never hurts to have plenty of extras.

 

[Tap]

Eh....I'm prescribe 20mg, 3 times a day. I know this is the the max dosage that doctors usually prescribe, but is it too much? Some days I won't take it at all, others maybe 1 or 2, and somedays I take all 3. I wouldn't say I'm addicted to them, I just take them when I "need" them, or if I feel I need them. Going a few days without the stuff if I don't feel like I need it is a common thing with me. So am I a junky or just someone who uses the shit "responsibly"? It is prescribed for ADD btw.
Tap

 

[PhreeX]

Start to taper off, see if you can get your addiction to a realistic dose.. as for scripting - it's not the DEA you have to worry about, they are there to keep the doctors in check.. the most important thing is that you use differn't pharmacies - not differn't stores, but TOTALLY differnt chains, because THAT is how you will get busted..
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[bornThird]

Just 'cuz I have to, I must. I posted something like this awhile ago, but never saw the responses, other I'm pretty sure I can guess what they are (and from who).
-Amphetamines are (drugs in general), and always will be, a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I know this because I've "self-medicated," fuck I still am. I *KNOW* you don't need them to live a happy life, because a good lifelong friend (who depended dearly on speed to live a normal life) went through all sorts of psychoanalysis, therapy, and brain-re training. They'd hook him up to machines, measure his brain waves, and teach him to respond "correctly" to different sources of stimuli.
Anyway, I for one do NOT see myself depending on speed the rest of my life to "get through." Fuck that, I hope I'm a stronger person than that.