Stimulants Adderall first time and come down question.

[Tryptamino]

I have no amphetamine tolerance and took 60 mg of amphetamine salt one time. I was very let down by the effects, which were pretty much non existent. I felt nothing, it was as if I hadn't taken them at all. I slept fine and went to sleep at my normal time with no problems (thanks klonapin!). Anyway though I am used to the effects of IV heroin so when doing other drugs I am usually underwhelmed by the effects because I compare them to IV heroin which is amazing to me.

was it adderall? have you ever used cocaine or MDMA or been prescribed methylphenidate or some other CNS stimulants? most CNS stimulants have cross tolerance, but 60mg would DEFINITELY be felt by a first timer, my first time was 10mg and i was fucked UP. other possibilities are that you had a completely full stomach, or that it wasn't amphetamine salts that you took at all. What did the pill look like/what were the markings, if you at all remember?

Hm. This is quite strange. I hear of people not wanting to eat on stims, but I've eaten quite a bit and wanted too. In the last hour I have taken another 20mg breaking the pill into quarters and just took the last quarter. Feelings aren't too strong and I really just feel mellowed out. I'm not even going to take some kpins tonight unless they are just absolutely needed.

What are the Adderall doses for the non-tolerant?

well if you snort it, you don't really get as much of the appetite reduction. you also get less of the effects. first time dosage for adderall IMO would be 10mg IR, possibly 5 or 15 depending on the size of the user. btw you essentially took about 3-5mgs, seeing as you snorted it, thus vastly reducing potency. Taking baking soda works great, as tricomb already said, as does chelated magnesium.

and yeah if you're not feeling anxious or awake, save the k pins for when you take your amps correctly. I would recommend taking 10mg IR on an empty stomach, waiting a bit, and if you're not satisfied, taking another 10. more than 20mg IR is too much IMO for a nontolerant user.

Also, the questions i asked Flabu apply to you, regarding medications and such.

 

[tricomb]

You tried the chelated Mg man?!? :D

Definitely better than Mg citrate or other forms, but any source of Mg is probably better than none in a pinch.

 

[Tryptamino]

You tried the chelated Mg man?!? :D

Definitely better than Mg citrate or other forms, but any source of Mg is probably better than none in a pinch.

well i had to look up the definition of "chelated" and then i looked at my normal magnesium supplement bottle, and it was essentially the same thing.

i have never come across a supplement that was actually called "chelated magnesium" though, just magnesium supplements that have been, well, chelated lol

and yeah i've been using it, it makes amps more noticeably euphoric, big time and for some reason it feels like it prolongs the length, and reduces the impulse to redose as well as softens the comedown a little bit.

that's normal right? i'm not just getting a placebo or actually getting better quality shards, am i? lol it just seemed too noticable a difference to be from a simple chelated magnesium supplement.

just hmu on AIM man, i sent you a message earlier about the Mg, i have a few questions about it, and i've been trying to find that "related reading" link you always post on amp threads that talks about magnesium.

 

[Brian242]

Stupid n00b question inbound

Ok I know I sound like a dumbass because amphetamines are so new to me but how does one ingest the baking soda used to potentiate the amp? Just mix with water and drink or what?

 

[Brian242]

bump?

 

[tricomb]

Don't bump threads please it's against the guidelines.

Yeah you can mix it with water or juice, I just stir in like a tablespoon, I'm sure others add more, others add less.

 

[RR279]

Don't bump threads please it's against the guidelines.

Yeah you can mix it with water or juice, I just stir in like a tablespoon, I'm sure others add more, others add less.

Careful what juice you're putting it in. If it's something acidic like OJ the acidity of the juice could neatralize the base effects of the sodium bicarb.

I personally mix it with decaf green tea, which is a diuretic so if you do the same make sure to chase it with plenty of water.

 

[tricomb]

Yeah tea is usually what I'd use, I love tea.

I've mixed it with milk and that works fine.

 

[Tryptamino]

It tastes like what i'd imagine piss to taste like, i'd just put it in capsules, never mixed it with juice or milk or tea, but i've drank it with water and i do not recommend that method.

 

[RR279]

Yeah tea is usually what I'd use, I love tea.

I've mixed it with milk and that works fine.

Decaf green tea consist of the majority of my fluid intake. I make a 2 liter picher with about 3 bags a few times a week and then just use that as my go-to drink. I do however have to dilute it even further when I'm speeding or I'll get dehydrated.

 

[Znegative]

To adress the initial question's, I'm usually able to take IR amphetamines in the early evening and fall asleep easily four or five hours later, though I know that is not the case with everyone at all. For anyone who is trying adderall for the first time, I would not recomend consuming THC-even if you usually feel relaxed or slowed down from marijuana/hash/etc. Amps can make one paranoid and I wouldnt want to consume anything else that could possibly enhance that side effect until I really got a feel for how amphetamines affected me.

As far as the comedown goes, I think the clonazepam would work the best, though some people prefer lorazepam (Ativan) for its faster onset. If you're naive to benzo's, I would take either 1mg of clonazepam, or 2mg lorazepam (both sublingually) to deal with a stimulant crash-If I was intolerant and just consuming those benzo's for anxiety not brought on by stimulants, then I would take half of the doses I mentioned.

Also, IMO opiates are superior for stimulant come-downs, though their addiction potential by far outweigh's their use for amp crashes. The problem with benzo's, for those who are inexperienced, is that the effects are so subtle that it's easy to think they are not "working", and then to redose and consume absurdly high doses, inevitably leading to blackouts.