Stimulants adderall advice (comedown

[pnillyg]

hey fam so recently i was perscribed and started taking adderall. so far ive only tried 5mg xr and 5, 7.5, and 10mg IR. now im trying to fine tune it. my only complaints are the duration (lack there of) and the wired but not motivated feeling i get when its wearing off. any tips for extending the efficacy without ruining my sleep? like if i take 10mg at 8 am by 12/1pm im either ready to take valium or take more but its tough to just let it wear off. any tips for the comedown and for just getting the most from it?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The only difference i might think off, causing the comedown.
And feeling it in general. Is that 25 % l- isomer.
Bit unclear to me how much and x-times you are prescribed.

Also if the feeling of that small 1/4 of l- makes it like Speed.
Which ime is a totally different effect as pure dextro-Amphetamine.
I can sleep on that. If its a option and you want a non pushy.
Hardly noticeable or euphoric its even not 100 % covering ADHD.

I still have to do some off the work. Compared to a speed fuelled engine.
It truly feels as a medication to me, unlike MethylPhenidate [MPH].
Where i despite my complaint s about its pharmaceutical profile,
was put on a few year s. That imo truly is a disaster,
i feel XR Cocaine pill s would even be better. And i hate Coke.

Speed had comedown s, MPH too and also unpredictable pharma-kinetic s.
And 'the rebound effect' exist s for real, main reason it interfered with sleep.
Dex has none of that, i advise that if optional. No need for XR either,
as its smooth up and down all the way. 15-10-10 mg dosing, take less.

mostly.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

If you can get the script switched to Dexedrine it feels smoother and doesn’t contain the shitty amphetamine enantiomer like adderall
Does

 

[pnillyg]

The only difference i might think off, causing the comedown.
And feeling it in general. Is that 25 % l- isomer.
Bit unclear to me how much and x-times you are prescribed.

Also if the feeling of that small 1/4 of l- makes it like Speed.
Which ime is a totally different effect as pure dextro-Amphetamine.
I can sleep on that. If its a option and you want a non pushy.
Hardly noticeable or euphoric its even not 100 % covering ADHD.

I still have to do some off the work. Compared to a speed fuelled engine.
It truly feels as a medication to me, unlike MethylPhenidate [MPH].
Where i despite my complaint s about its pharmaceutical profile,
was put on a few year s. That imo truly is a disaster,
i feel XR Cocaine pill s would even be better. And i hate Coke.

Speed had comedown s, MPH too and also unpredictable pharma-kinetic s.
And 'the rebound effect' exist s for real, main reason it interfered with sleep.
Dex has none of that, i advise that if optional. No need for XR either,
as its smooth up and down all the way. 15-10-10 mg dosing, take less.

mostly.

If you can get the script switched to Dexedrine it feels smoother and doesn’t contain the shitty amphetamine enantiomer like adderall
Does

Thanks! Fortunately I have a good relationship with my providers and there is very few things I can get my hands on so yall think dexadrine would be better? This stimulant world is something I’m just not familiar with but I already see huge benefits from 10mg IR generic (dextro-amphetamine) and 5mg XR dextro-a as well. But can ask for whatever it’s just what my peers take but they’re just advising me off of there experience.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

Thanks! Fortunately I have a good relationship with my providers and there is very few things I can get my hands on so yall think dexadrine would be better? This stimulant world is something I’m just not familiar with but I already see huge benefits from 10mg IR generic (dextro-amphetamine) and 5mg XR dextro-a as well. But can ask for whatever it’s just what my peers take but they’re just advising me off of there experience.

Dexedrine is pure dextro.

Adderall is a mix of dextro and levo (ie mixed amphetamine salts)

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Dexedrine is pure dextro.

Adderall is a mix of dextro and levo (ie mixed amphetamine salts)

My experience s with Speed/ dl-Amphetamine, which i also used in small doses.
As study aid, relevant as on a big dose i wouldn t even be able to concentrate.
Small doses work oral probably the best, but i snorted it.

And it always was a delicate balance to much and it becomes recreational.
Has effects on your night of rest. Dextro-Amphetamine oral in those doses.
Has no resemblance to racemic, just did what it was ment for without side effects.
[except dry mouth at the start only and that was it no other side effect noted]

Did extract the dextro-Amphetamine once, so I could snort it and get spun.
Extraction went well, but it never became re creative like Speed.
Even not up my bunghole. as that is where the last went. Snorting did nothing,
for me. But YMMV, lots of people find dextro also fiending and addicting.

Adderal is in between Speed and Dextro-Amphetamine.
And i have no clue how it feel s, but assume the 25 % l-,
does make it feel Speed like. Someone who took all 3,
might shine some light on it.

 

[pnillyg]

im now learning there is so many stimulants. definitley going to be a long road of trial and error but all the existing advice and experience are only helpful. do we think that using ketamine for the comedown is reasonable or is that just stupid. ideally id just do addy in the morning and a benzo with weed in the afternoon but i really dont want a benzo dependancy again and already take wither eszopiclone or zolpidem for sleep every night. just added a am and pm stimalnt support suppliment as well to hopefully midigate the side effects.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

im now learning there is so many stimulants. definitley going to be a long road of trial and error but all the existing advice and experience are only helpful. do we think that using ketamine for the comedown is reasonable or is that just stupid. ideally id just do addy in the morning and a benzo with weed in the afternoon but i really dont want a benzo dependancy again and already take wither eszopiclone or zolpidem for sleep every night. just added a am and pm stimalnt support suppliment as well to hopefully midigate the side effects.

You don t wan t a Benzo dependency, so be watchful Zolpidem and Zopiclone.
Afaic are benzo s, so you are dosing everyday, don t matter if its real benzo. ]
Or Z-drug or Etizolam.

But stopping is better tapered, but you probably know.
Btw read even Amphetamine, in the US is medication again. dl-Amphetamine.

 

[pnillyg]

well ive been at points where i needed 5-10mg of diazepam every 6 hours so if its just some lunesta for sleep i feel im in a much better place. but yea as we all know treating side effects can lead to a whole poly dependance situation

 

[pcplease]

vyvanse/lisdexamphetamine was the most therapeutic amphetamine for me when I was Rx'd. Just slowly metabolizes d-amp released to keep a constant 5-30mg (depending on dose) for over 12hrs. There is no more of a comedown other than starting to get tired like normal towards the end of the day. Dexamp hits to hard and going up and down feels a lot more physically taxing. Adderall XR is a little better but not by too much, IME.

Low dose mirtazepine or other heterocyclic antidepressant for insomnia if necessary.

 

[pnillyg]

vyvanse/lisdexamphetamine was the most therapeutic amphetamine for me when I was Rx'd. Just slowly metabolizes d-amp released to keep a constant 5-30mg (depending on dose) for over 12hrs. There is no more of a comedown other than starting to get tired like normal towards the end of the day. Dexamp hits to hard and going up and down feels a lot more physically taxing. Adderall XR is a little better but not by too much, IME.

Low dose mirtazepine or other heterocyclic antidepressant for insomnia if necessary.

Will have to try lisdexamp… I already take Eszopiclone for sleep usually…

 

[emkee_reinvented]

vyvanse/lisdexamphetamine was the most therapeutic amphetamine for me when I was Rx'd. Just slowly metabolizes d-amp released to keep a constant 5-30mg (depending on dose) for over 12hrs. There is no more of a comedown other than starting to get tired like normal towards the end of the day. Dexamp hits to hard and going up and down feels a lot more physically taxing. Adderall XR is a little better but not by too much, IME.

Lis is super XR dex, Adderal XR is 75% dex and dex-Amphetamine hits hard ?
A physically taxing up and down. So what i take from this.
Runner up dextro-Amphetamine XR, Lis was first.
And downward s first Adderal XR then or dextro-Amp IR/ Addderal IR to me the
dex seems most logical but there is no Adderal here. An racemic only illegal.

And at last dl-Amphetamine IR [don t know if there is a XR yet.

Or is there something special about Adderal ?

 

[pcplease]

the levoamp in adderall provides more peripheral CNS stimulation, generally negative side effects but can also make it feel "stronger". more jittery = get up and go, for some people.

Lisdexamp is just dexamp slowly metabolized at a pretty stable rate/constant blood levels throughout the date from inactive lisdexamp to dexamp. So there is no rush, no real comedown. Taking dexedrine multiple times per day is multiple wave of high peaks followed by coming down/tiredness

 

[emkee_reinvented]

the levoamp in adderall provides more peripheral CNS stimulation, generally negative side effects but can also make it feel "stronger". more jittery = get up and go, for some people.

Lisdexamp is just dexamp slowly metabolized at a pretty stable rate/constant blood levels throughout the date from inactive lisdexamp to dexamp. So there is no rush, no real comedown. Taking dexedrine multiple times per day is multiple wave of high peaks followed by coming down/tiredness

That is why i don t get Adderal XR being a little better then dextro-Amphetamine IR.
Besides the XR, Adderal should hit harder have some Peripheral side effect s.

On dex i experience no come up, waves or comedown tiredness.
The reason i don t get that in NL there is a XR version, for me that seem s unneeded.
As the IR has a slow come up/ nice plateau and smooth slow unnoticeable decline.
And rebound seems for me restricted to Phenidates.

Without tasting Adderal, its like looking in dark water. Akin to med or Speed ?

 

[pcplease]

and i have never had EU racemic amp, lol.

It is right in the middle with 25% L-Amp vs 50% in racemic. It feels stronger/more noticeably fast than Dex* or Vyvanse.

*Dex was always inconsistent in how it hits. Mostly would feel little-no comeup from my Rx'd 10mgs, however, every once in a while, particularly if on an empty stomach and ate the dex then some food would be floored for the comeup, a super strong peak, and feeling sober within a few hours.

 

[ladoh]

You don t wan t a Benzo dependency, so be watchful Zolpidem and Zopiclone.
Afaic are benzo s, so you are dosing everyday, don t matter if its real benzo. ]
Or Z-drug or Etizolam.

But stopping is better tapered, but you probably know.
Btw read even Amphetamine, in the US is medication again. dl-Amphetamine.

I just want to point out a couple things

Zolpidem and zopiclone are not benzos they distinctly lack diazapine completely

zolpidem is generic ambien and zopiclone is a cyclopyrrolone with similar effects to ambien with a bit more of an anxiolitic effect but neither of these medications really produce the same type of correlating effects to diazapines other than being used as a sleep aid and being anxiolitic but even still the other associated effects produce distinctly different therapeutic and recreational experiences

zopiclone really only sort of found a place amongst diazapines when the exportation of etizolam from India was banned and zopiclone was promoted by those exporters as a replacemnt for etizolam

Ambien does have some level of recreational usage but if you manage to push through the sedation and force yourself to stay awake eventually you fall into a hypnotic even somewhat delirious state and even potentially cause hallucinations i wouldnt suggest to anyone that these two medications share the same space for when, why or how they are used

This next point is more semantics but I think is somewhat worth discussing

There is only diazapines and not diazapines and describing something like ambien the way you have as 'even though its not a real benzo' has an implication that these two things are more similar than they actually are

Z-drugs are specifically non-diazapine Gabaª receptor modulators but molecularly have nothing in common

Etizolam is not a z-drug its not a benzo either its a thienodiazipine with significantly higher euphoric and anti anxiety effects and notably decreased sedation as well as a relatively short half life compared to other diazapines 4-6 hours

significant to note regarding z-drugs and diazapine in regards to withdrawals is that diazapine withdrawals can be fatal if you discontinue use without a methodical and sometimes very lengthy process and users can have persistent acute withdrawl symptoms that can last for months even after the initial withdrawal period has passed

Current z-drug usage Is somewhat new in terms of how people have been taking these medications because of this increased association to diazapines so there's on going research and clinical information that is still to be determined

Hope some if this has been informative

 

[paranoid android]

Im prescribed zopiclone 7.5mg a night. I have been prescribed this for about 5 years with no addiction issues so far. I do however binge on them for about 3 days when i firt get my script though. Then the recreational effects of them stop due to tolerance. I have never had a problem stopping them yet.

Zopiclone does share some of the effects of benzos. Namely the sedating and anti anxiety effects. Also like benzos zopiclone is great at stopping a bad trip. Works in about 15 minutes

I dont think they are as addictive as benzos or atleast they arent for me

 

[pixies+]

I’ve been prescribed zopiclone for close on 20 years. I used to get 4 7.5mg pills a night.
Along with 60mg temazepam and 6mg Xanax a day.

Im now down to 11.25mg zopiclone
15mg diazepam and 0.4mg clonidine a night for sleep.

I’ve been at this amount for close on 3-4 years now.

I don’t crash like I used to.. but it’s far healthier and I am able to get sleep. I feel that’s mostly due to the clonidine though.

I’m 100% addicted to zopiclone and I can tell lol

 

[pixies+]

Definitely not as addictive as benzos for me either..

They did help me when I’d run out of my Xanax/temazepam by a day or two. Calmed my body down significantly. Never went through full blown benzo withdrawal though.. just minor stuff. Still wildly uncomfortable for me. Especially the Xanax. Jesus Christ what a nightmare for rebound anxiety.

 

[pixies+]

To answer OP

Clonidine helps me significantly when I feel the adderall crash. A balancing act but a very doable one for me.