ADD/ADHD and Drug Abuse

Well i know i have some concentration issues... but if i remember correctly they didnt do any testing on me physically, except an ultrasound for my heart (dont ask why idk), i walked in, told the doc my symptoms, and he prescribed me some meds.
 
That sounds pretty fucked up. You should look for a real therapist who gives you a full evaluation before prescribing stims like that.

The ultrasound might have been to rule out complications with stimulant use... Sounds excessive especially when they didn't even test you properly for ADD.
 
Here is my deal with my so called adult adhd [rolls eyes]. I had an addictionologist [I know, lol] diagnos me part of it was me basically suggesting I was slowed down from opiate maintenance and benzo use I need energy. Low and behold all of a sudden I have Adult ADD, and a script for Adderall IR 60mg daily, at one point I was scripted 120mg [4 30's a day].

I never really was a speed person and never really liked it meth is rare here thank god. But I soon was a speed person. I fucked me up me and my g/f just speed constantly, shooting it up our noses with an oral syringe of adderall solution. I got a script for dexadrine also, didnt like it as much and dropped it after 1-2 months. Eventually after 2 years paranoia and losing weight and being a straight up freak, scaring my friends, family, g/f, etc. I eventually lost it completely I could feel my mind bending and I new it was going to break. I stopped at that point but my advice would be very careful.

I personally think speed is one of the worst drugs out there, and I got on it out of frustration and I will admit some drug seeking tendencies. Wow was I out there and shattered my reality for a time. I was going thru benzo detox about a month after the speed kick and fucking A it took me a good full year to recover to the point where now I try to kick bupe, yea fun.

Things are so much better off Addies, and the ADD has since disappeared if it was even there at all, go figure.

Ill leave it that, I could go on though.

Peace,
Seedless
 
I have tapered from 16 mg of Suboxone to 4 mg and have been on this mg for 6 months. But i feel weak as hell at work and cant perform late in the day as he expects me to bust my ass. You think anywas possible my sub dr would prescribe me Adderall?. If not how the hell i get Adderall?.A friend gave me a couple of 30 mg Adderall and i felt like a new person and work was a breeze and my boss impressed? What are my changes of getting Adderall from him or do i need to see a different dr and take a test to prove i have ADD?

Every doctor/psychiatrist may have different things they want you to do before going on Adderall.

The important thing is that Adderall can't be used for the long term, and eventually you'll have to taper off Suboxone if that's what's keeping you de-motivated.

If you legitimately have ADD/ADHD, that may change things a little bit.

test me for what? And I respectfully declined any more stimulant use, so they gave me some strattera. So i take some and look it up. On Rxlist the first thing i see when i go to the page is

Im sitting here going Do'h! Retards with medical degrees... gotta love em gotta hate em

Strattera is one of the only medications that isn't a typical amp or MPH like stimulant that's utilized for ADD/ADHD.

It increases norepinephrine, which will give you the "push" you need if you are already endogenously short on norepinephrine.

From what I can tell you, Strattera won't work well for many people. It may work well for some, but will give others suicidal ideation, and yet others will just twitch on it a lot and get no actual relief.

BTW you should always get tested for ADD/ADHD by a trusted diagnostician if you are considering taking ADD/ADHD medication.

except an ultrasound for my heart (dont ask why idk)
They were making sure you're not going to turn up dead from sudden death syndrome.

i walked in, told the doc my symptoms, and he prescribed me some meds.
This is the biggest problem with how doctors do business - no testing, very few criterion for diagnosis, trigger happy with writing prescriptions. Especially for the less/least effective medications.

Here is my deal with my so called adult adhd [rolls eyes]. I had an addictionologist [I know, lol] diagnos me part of it was me basically suggesting I was slowed down from opiate maintenance and benzo use I need energy. Low and behold all of a sudden I have Adult ADD, and a script for Adderall IR 60mg daily, at one point I was scripted 120mg [4 30's a day].
How much testing/diagnosis was there? Typical ADD/ADHD testing for adults takes a few sessions over a week/few weeks. Children may have even more testing.

And also as I'm sure you are aware, that's a huge prescription! I can only go through 20 to 30mg of IR a day, and that's if I really need the help. I would prefer to take 10 to 20mg of IR a day.

I got a script for dexadrine also, didnt like it as much and dropped it after 1-2 months. Eventually after 2 years paranoia and losing weight and being a straight up freak, scaring my friends, family, g/f, etc. I eventually lost it completely I could feel my mind bending and I new it was going to break. I stopped at that point but my advice would be very careful.
The doctor should have carefully monitored your BP, heart rate, weight, etc. over the course of medicating you, and noticed the adverse physical dependency.

Some people prefer Adderall to Dexedrine because Adderall has more of a "push" to it.

I personally think speed is one of the worst drugs out there, and I got on it out of frustration and I will admit some drug seeking tendencies. Wow was I out there and shattered my reality for a time. I was going thru benzo detox about a month after the speed kick and fucking A it took me a good full year to recover to the point where now I try to kick bupe, yea fun.

Things are so much better off Addies, and the ADD has since disappeared if it was even there at all, go figure.

Ill leave it that, I could go on though.

Peace,
Seedless
The odds are that you never had ADD. Some ADD/ADHD symptoms may become noticeable/apparent while coming down from opiates, or while tapering off of buprenorphine. It's a normal part of transitioning back to sobriety.

However, actually having ADD/ADHD means you have a high degree of the symptoms and they impact your life in a negative way, before the drugs started.

I'm sorry a trigger happy doctor gave you all those meds. It sounds like it took you a while to get back on your feet again. Well I'm glad you posted, because this certainly adds to the topic of discussion. :)
 
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What do you mean by excessive testing? I'm not saying that my doc prescribed me meds on the first day in. I went to him for about a month before he gave me drugs lol. But the straterra doesnt seem to affect me in the slightest.
 



Many people are ADHD and aren't identified as such because there are many different forms of the hyperactive/impulsive features.

Have you tried ADD/ADHD meds? What do you think of them?

My girlfriend, ironically enough, was prescribed Adderall just a couple of weeks ago. She is in grad school and has a heavy workload teaching and studying long hours/days. Yes, I have taken it, and yes, I find it to be very helpful. It makes me much more attentive and interested while in class, and gives me motivation like I have never known throughout the day, and just in general. I'm not sure whether or not it would be a good idea for me to consider getting back on this medication, as I feel I am perhaps more prone to misuse than the next person. However, the greater part of me is aware that I do not need another serious addiction, and also aware that I could quite possibly benefit greatly from therapeutic use, so I don't think abuse would be much if at all an obstacle.

How is your ADD/ADHD treatment/therapy working for you CH? Do you feel all together better in general since beginning a regimen? Have you noticed any negative side effects thus far?
 
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But the straterra doesnt seem to affect me in the slightest.

That's because norepinephrine itself is not the main cause/issue/problem with ADD/ADHD. It can be for some people, and it also may need some help alongside dopamine for more than some. However in and of itself, NRI is not useful for many people.

How is your ADD/ADHD treatment/therapy working for you CH? Do you feel all together better in general since beginning a regimen? Have you noticed any negative side effects thus far?

Thanks for asking!

I feel much, much, much better in every way possible. :D

The only negative side effects were most present on the first day. Other than an upset stomach for a few minutes when it first kicks in, and unable to eat a large, full meal when peaking, the only bigger issue is if I take it past 4-5 pm (the last dose) I will stay up very late.

I took my last dose yesterday with 5 hours to spare in the day, and I'm still awake and alert at least 14 hours afterward.

I notice if I take one dose, I get about 4 to 6 hours of medicinal relief. A second dose on the same day; a window of 8 to 12 hours of medicinal relief.

I wouldn't say the "euphoric/recreational" effects last any longer with the second dose - just the medicinal ones. It's a sort of amphetamine after glow, if you could imagine. I feel like I could stay up much later than I already have if it was needed, but I think I would have a really bad crash if I did so.

To sum up, I have shitty/a lack thereof sleep before ADHD meds, and partially after beginning benzodiazepines for sleep medication. Since getting on ADHD meds (3 days ago), I haven't had benzos since then, haven't had the need to take them (unless I didn't want to stay up until now - but I did :) so tonight worked out OK).

I'm feeling more focused, alert, awake, alive, more like myself (my old self), more self aware, much more able to function in daily life and take care of myself, overall the only negative thing is how I feel when I wake up after taking more than necessary (not an issue if I take my correct dose). The next day can have rebound effects, like you may feel less awake or less alert or less motivated than you were before the ADHD meds. I find this wears off within the day.

Tolerance hasn't started to build yet but I suspect it won't build if I take days off here and there.

Overall I wouldn't recommend Adderall for people with horrible anxiety or insomnia; the levo isomer is the devil for you all. However Adderall is bearable for me, as my anxiety and insomnia are likely ADHD-related and wouldn't exist if I didn't have ADHD.

Adderall is an excellent first line treatment for ADD/ADHD, however not everyone will benefit from Adderall.
 
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This is a touchy subject for me, in that it's still so uncertain for me what exactly my reasons are. I don't even know if I have any specific reasons why I may use drugs. I'm ADHD for sure. But I never knew until after a couple years of amphetamine and methylphenidate (mostly adderall though) use, and at times abuse. I was never one to snort it. I was never one to try to get "all fucked up"; though, I may have been at times. But you want to know how I spent most of that time I was under the influence? The very vast majority was sat in front of my computer writing, reading, in photoshop. I was expanding my mind. I feel like if I hadn't been exposed to adderall that one summer after the police took all the computers out of my house - long story, search warrant for my brother, they went beyond their legal rights but I didn't know any better at the time. I was still inexperienced with weed at the time, I was ignorant. Ever since that first day, trying to snort the little beads from an XR, I knew I had just started by trip down the rabbit hole. I swallowed that red pill - to reference the Matrix - and saw a glimpse of how deep it really was.

But it's crazy. I feel like I've grown as an individual because of that adderall use. It overwhelmed all other drug use. Hell, it overwhelmed a major part of my life for a while. I was addicted and very unwilling to admit it - though, I told myself such every day. End of high school comes, and I'm forced to go sober starting at the beginning of summer. Ever since that period of my life, that transition time, I feel like I've been different. I don't have the same motivation and drive that I once felt - that awesome invigoration of your senses (such acute hearing and sharpness to your vision). I'm no longer very impressed by the drug, I've become for lack of a better word - bored. Though I continue to take it now legitimately - for the past two years been prescribed 40mg/day, but I take 5-10mg at most; if I even take any at all.

I feel like a lot of the things I learned during that period are faintly remembered. They are lost in the depths of a very unorganized encoding of information during that period. I was getting to the point where my reading at night - hours on end (For example, and really no other better example, but it got to the point where I'd have to go into the bathroom to do my business and the entire time I'd be more concerned about digging through the drawers to find something interesting to read. I read everything) that my working memory was starting to become impaired.

I really feel like amphetamine changed my life - in what way, I'm not really sure yet. I feel like I may have sacrificed some aspect of my physical well being and growth during that period because I was using the drug the way I was. I took it a little too far. But I'm a better person now. I'm very self-aware. I'm much more confident in my intellectual abilities as a result. But I think the most glaring thing that's been the most positive is that it reverses this trend that I get into sometimes where I just do nothing. I can't explain it, but I go through days somehow getting abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING done. Like I will sometimes walk around my place open the fridge, close it, and just do all kinds of random shit. I'm very conscious of all the reasons why I do such things. But I still do them. I just get lost in thought.

I feel like my ADHD pushes people away. I feel like I want too much to be going on at once, or I just want that silence, I have these polar personalities (not bipolar, but just like I have two main states of mind). I have on one hand this very outgoing, funny, creative, somewhat sexist side of me. And on the other you got this withdrawn into thought, not very quick with conversations socially (like I just don't have anything to say and I force things because I draw blanks), but very intellectual too. I used to have a major problem correcting things all the time, I've cut back thankfully.

But I think the thing overall that's the worry for me now is this: socialization with ADHD. I've always found it hard to convey exactly what I was trying to say to other people. I think so abstractly and without words that I just can't translate it. And as a result often times I get bored extremely quickly of people and situations - which is in some parts due to anxiousness, but most often simply boredom - so I tend to get myself out of social situations most times simply because of this boredom. It's like I'd somehow rather be doing something I can do whenever like watching a movie or whatever, than have some beer at the pool. I feel so lost with this affliction because I feel like I know the answer to all these questions, or find of quickly figure what's about to be said. And I get bored. I'm able to read people extremely well, as in get into their heads, I'm trying to be a neurologist so I should be able to. But as a result, I just lost interest. It's like a baby realizing that trick you did with your thumb is fake; so he no longer laughs. It's like I've noticed how everyone's so fucking indifferent, how they are all supportive of these bullshit tasteless qualities in life - not because of subjective personal ownership of such beliefs but because of everyone else.

I'm in my world just letting time go by. I'm still waiting for a reason. I used to believe I may have been given a purpose to do something great - to be remembered - but I lost faith in that. I lost faith in God. So in many ways I feel like this ADHD has led me down a whole grand new undetermined path in life; but in others, I wish I had never been given it. I wish I could be just like everyone else, a sheep. But no, I had to be given the power of insight; there aren't any surprises in life. I know what's going to happen everyday. Everything that people my age are supposed to consider fun, getting completely shitfaced, I just don't like very much; so I find myself out here on the edge.

Sorry for the ramble.
 
This is a touchy subject for me, in that it's still so uncertain for me what exactly my reasons are. I don't even know if I have any specific reasons why I may use drugs. I'm ADHD for sure. But I never knew until after a couple years of amphetamine and methylphenidate (mostly adderall though) use, and at times abuse. I was never one to snort it. I was never one to try to get "all fucked up"; though, I may have been at times. But you want to know how I spent most of that time I was under the influence? The very vast majority was sat in front of my computer writing, reading, in photoshop. I was expanding my mind. I feel like if I hadn't been exposed to adderall that one summer after the police took all the computers out of my house - long story, search warrant for my brother, they went beyond their legal rights but I didn't know any better at the time. I was still inexperienced with weed at the time, I was ignorant. Ever since that first day, trying to snort the little beads from an XR, I knew I had just started by trip down the rabbit hole. I swallowed that red pill - to reference the Matrix - and saw a glimpse of how deep it really was.

But it's crazy. I feel like I've grown as an individual because of that adderall use. It overwhelmed all other drug use. Hell, it overwhelmed a major part of my life for a while. I was addicted and very unwilling to admit it - though, I told myself such every day. End of high school comes, and I'm forced to go sober starting at the beginning of summer. Ever since that period of my life, that transition time, I feel like I've been different. I don't have the same motivation and drive that I once felt - that awesome invigoration of your senses (such acute hearing and sharpness to your vision). I'm no longer very impressed by the drug, I've become for lack of a better word - bored. Though I continue to take it now legitimately - for the past two years been prescribed 40mg/day, but I take 5-10mg at most; if I even take any at all.

I feel like a lot of the things I learned during that period are faintly remembered. They are lost in the depths of a very unorganized encoding of information during that period. I was getting to the point where my reading at night - hours on end (For example, and really no other better example, but it got to the point where I'd have to go into the bathroom to do my business and the entire time I'd be more concerned about digging through the drawers to find something interesting to read. I read everything) that my working memory was starting to become impaired.

I really feel like amphetamine changed my life - in what way, I'm not really sure yet. I feel like I may have sacrificed some aspect of my physical well being and growth during that period because I was using the drug the way I was. I took it a little too far. But I'm a better person now. I'm very self-aware. I'm much more confident in my intellectual abilities as a result. But I think the most glaring thing that's been the most positive is that it reverses this trend that I get into sometimes where I just do nothing. I can't explain it, but I go through days somehow getting abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING done. Like I will sometimes walk around my place open the fridge, close it, and just do all kinds of random shit. I'm very conscious of all the reasons why I do such things. But I still do them. I just get lost in thought.

I feel like my ADHD pushes people away. I feel like I want too much to be going on at once, or I just want that silence, I have these polar personalities (not bipolar, but just like I have two main states of mind). I have on one hand this very outgoing, funny, creative, somewhat sexist side of me. And on the other you got this withdrawn into thought, not very quick with conversations socially (like I just don't have anything to say and I force things because I draw blanks), but very intellectual too. I used to have a major problem correcting things all the time, I've cut back thankfully.

But I think the thing overall that's the worry for me now is this: socialization with ADHD. I've always found it hard to convey exactly what I was trying to say to other people. I think so abstractly and without words that I just can't translate it. And as a result often times I get bored extremely quickly of people and situations - which is in some parts due to anxiousness, but most often simply boredom - so I tend to get myself out of social situations most times simply because of this boredom. It's like I'd somehow rather be doing something I can do whenever like watching a movie or whatever, than have some beer at the pool. I feel so lost with this affliction because I feel like I know the answer to all these questions, or find of quickly figure what's about to be said. And I get bored. I'm able to read people extremely well, as in get into their heads, I'm trying to be a neurologist so I should be able to. But as a result, I just lost interest. It's like a baby realizing that trick you did with your thumb is fake; so he no longer laughs. It's like I've noticed how everyone's so fucking indifferent, how they are all supportive of these bullshit tasteless qualities in life - not because of subjective personal ownership of such beliefs but because of everyone else.

I'm in my world just letting time go by. I'm still waiting for a reason. I used to believe I may have been given a purpose to do something great - to be remembered - but I lost faith in that. I lost faith in God. So in many ways I feel like this ADHD has led me down a whole grand new undetermined path in life; but in others, I wish I had never been given it. I wish I could be just like everyone else, a sheep. But no, I had to be given the power of insight; there aren't any surprises in life. I know what's going to happen everyday. Everything that people my age are supposed to consider fun, getting completely shitfaced, I just don't like very much; so I find myself out here on the edge.

Sorry for the ramble.

Thanks for the post! I think being unique (a lot of people with ADHD are very unique in many different ways) can be a double edged sword, but I think it's definitely worth being who you are. You may not know why, or when you'll know, but I think every human being is of great importance in life, even the ones that don't think they are. Your life will (or at least should) amount to something.

You seem like you're intelligent, you say you're studying to be a neurologist? That's a very unique thing to study.

Did you try any other ADHD medications other than Adderall? Is this the only drug you had a problem with? I also hear you on the not wanting to "get completely shitfaced" too. A lot of what you said reminds me in some way or another, so you don't have to be sorry for the ramble at all. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post, there's a lot of similarities I'm beginning to see.

My inattentive features of ADHD are not all that great, I can be very sociable and happy and outgoing on amphetamine, but before I got on medication, I was very withdrawn and being in a social situation was hard to follow, and I had a very hard time communicating with people. I still have some problems with dissociation but I'm getting better with it I guess.

If I don't hear somebody I definitely apologize and quickly ask them to repeat what they were saying, and I'll make a note of what I do remember they said so they can get cued back to their point if they don't remember it.

Overall your post was positive though, it sounds like you feel you got long lasting benefits out of Adderall! That's great to hear. Can I ask how old you were when you were on medication, and how old you are now? If you don't want to respond to either that's OK, I don't talk about my age on Bluelight.

One last question I have for you that I don't think was addressed in your post (and excuse me if it was and I missed it) - were you formally diagnosed by a diagnostician with ADD/ADHD, or were you just given meds by a PCP/GP? I'm interested in the dichotomy of doctors who prescribed people Adderall or other ADD/ADHD meds without a diagnosis, and people who have been formally diagnosed.

Obviously there's no guarantee a formal diagnosis is for sure evidence you have ADD/ADHD, I think it's rather easy to lie about your history to a diagnostician. I did not do this though, I was 100% honest with them.

I know someone who didn't need a formal diagnosis, and they were given so much amphetamine it ended up making their ADHD ten fold worse (or, if they never had it since they never got a formal diagnosis, created it). From what you've posted thus far it sounds like you do indeed have ADHD and I'm not doubting that at all, I'm just interested if you had to do a formal diagnosis or not.

I did, the only doctor who agreed to medicate me needed a formal diagnosis. I would have just gotten it from a doctor if I knew of one who would, but I don't.
 
My inattentive features of ADHD are not all that great, I can be very sociable and happy and outgoing on amphetamine, but before I got on medication, I was very withdrawn and being in a social situation was hard to follow, and I had a very hard time communicating with people. I still have some problems with dissociation but I'm getting better with it I guess.

If I don't hear somebody I definitely apologize and quickly ask them to repeat what they were saying, and I'll make a note of what I do remember they said so they can get cued back to their point if they don't remember it.

I experience this problem all the time. I'll end up having to tell my roommate or whomever over and over again to repeat things because I will get lost in things and while I "hear" them; I don't process it. Like I recognize the noise, I can repeat it back afterwords (but I usually say "What?" even though the thought pops in my head at the same time with exactly what they just said). It's weird, my brain takes everything in; it's just a matter of me repeating it again to get it truly ingrained. I have a great memory; I like to think of it as a photographic memory but I'm still working on getting that sharpness and clarity to the mental picture. I can't always read the words from the picture; but I know what's there deep down - it's an encoding problem due to the sporadic focus.

Overall your post was positive though, it sounds like you feel you got long lasting benefits out of Adderall! That's great to hear. Can I ask how old you were when you were on medication, and how old you are now? If you don't want to respond to either that's OK, I don't talk about my age on Bluelight.

I was 16 when I tried stimulants for the first time. I'm 20 now.

One last question I have for you that I don't think was addressed in your post (and excuse me if it was and I missed it) - were you formally diagnosed by a diagnostician with ADD/ADHD, or were you just given meds by a PCP/GP? I'm interested in the dichotomy of doctors who prescribed people Adderall or other ADD/ADHD meds without a diagnosis, and people who have been formally diagnosed.

Obviously there's no guarantee a formal diagnosis is for sure evidence you have ADD/ADHD, I think it's rather easy to lie about your history to a diagnostician. I did not do this though, I was 100% honest with them.

I know someone who didn't need a formal diagnosis, and they were given so much amphetamine it ended up making their ADHD ten fold worse (or, if they never had it since they never got a formal diagnosis, created it). From what you've posted thus far it sounds like you do indeed have ADHD and I'm not doubting that at all, I'm just interested if you had to do a formal diagnosis or not.

I did, the only doctor who agreed to medicate me needed a formal diagnosis. I would have just gotten it from a doctor if I knew of one who would, but I don't.

I went to see a neurologist who did some pretty simple tests. He recommended more before he would consider treatment with anything. Never followed up with him after that. But then I got to college and saw a psychiatrist on my own who I explained what had happened with the previous doctor and he began treatment at 20mg/day. I increased to 40mg/day where I am now - and have been for almost 2 years - within a month or two. I changed doctor's last year and I simply stated that I had been seeing a previous doctor and he started prescribing me the same dose that first day.

They rely a lot on patient honesty. You are paying to be there; and it is your health. Most people are truthful, and a doctor doesn't want to get caught making wild accusations that aren't true or substantiated by anything more than a whim.
 
I experience this problem all the time. I'll end up having to tell my roommate or whomever over and over again to repeat things because I will get lost in things and while I "hear" them; I don't process it. Like I recognize the noise, I can repeat it back afterwords (but I usually say "What?" even though the thought pops in my head at the same time with exactly what they just said). It's weird, my brain takes everything in; it's just a matter of me repeating it again to get it truly ingrained. I have a great memory; I like to think of it as a photographic memory but I'm still working on getting that sharpness and clarity to the mental picture. I can't always read the words from the picture; but I know what's there deep down - it's an encoding problem due to the sporadic focus.

I get that too. A lot. Also, sometimes when I feel I am listening I am actually not. And I only realize this after a few sentences. I actually got my hearing tested because I thought that was the problem, I was really surprised when I scored 99% on that.
 
When you guys treat your symptoms of hyperactivity and inattentiveness, what sort of dosages are you taking?

The most effective is the lowest. Oral amphetamine has something like a 25% bioavailability. Take 5mg, you'll end up with around 1.25~ or so in your system. You'll feel perfect. Has a 10-13 hour half life. Just redose accordingly with another 5mg 3 hours minimum, with the preferred time at 4 hours after the first dose. Talking about Adderall here. Also what brands do you guys use? I'm on CorePharma, switching over to Sandoz soon though.
 
I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult, but the fact i saw a child psychologst for impulsivity/hyperactivity/anger issues went a long way in getting my psych do believe I really DO suffer from it, that I wasn't just chasin stims. I had a prior history of about 10 yes of drug abuse, a lot of those years speed ws my drug of choice. I do believe the fact I wasn't medicated properly until the past year or so had a big impact on my using illegal drugs.

I'm on concerta 54 mg now and my life is infinately more managable. :D I'm also on suboxone which acts as a good mood stabiliser aside from it's opiate blocking ffects.

Peace,
Chelle
 
Overall I wouldn't recommend Adderall for people with horrible anxiety or insomnia; the levo isomer is the devil for you all. However Adderall is bearable for me, as my anxiety and insomnia are likely ADHD-related and wouldn't exist if I didn't have ADHD.

Adderall IR gives me way less anxiety than Vyvanse, which lacks the l-isomer. Everyone is different with this. Tho, i think for me it has more to do with the XR effect of Vyvanse - it's in my system way too long. After about 2hrs it wears off and i just feel sketchy the rest of the day.. it's awful. I can barely take it anymore (after a year)

Adderall tends to make me more relaxed. Sometimes i take a small dose (5-10mg) to help me sleep
 
I'm starting this thread because of a phenomenon that I think would be important to address in this forum, especially in TDS.

I am pretty sure I have ADD and am getting tested for it. The fundamental idea behind it is that it is inherited and that you're born with it. Because of this, people with ADD/ADHD often have concurrent mental problems which may lead them to drug abuse.

My question to you: As someone with ADD/ADHD, did you begin drug abuse as a means to self medicate?

I am almost convinced I began using heroin to make my life more interesting, and in general to make everything more interesting. People with ADD/ADHD can only easily pay attention to things that interest them, a reason why my general education is boring/fairly uncompleted compared to my major studies which are mostly completed.

While I was using heroin, everything was interesting, and I could get motivated easily for 8 continuous hours. I'm glad I quit using heroin however, but this has left me without medication for ADD/ADHD, and now I need testing to get medication.

I am interested to hear why you may or may not think you all began using drugs (any of them, uppers, downers, psychedelics, or dissociatives) as a means to self medicate for ADD/ADHD symptoms. If not please go into detail about why you began using, if you would like.

If you don't have ADD/ADHD you can answer too if you know people in your life who have ADD/ADHD and who used drugs to self medicate before getting legitimate medication, or a diagnosis. You can also chime in if you don't have ADD/ADHD, but let's keep this positive. ADD/ADHD is a real disorder, it is not something that goes away easily without medication. There are alternatives other than medication, but most people (like myself) are unable to afford them.

I'll start. I began using heroin to cope with my poor self esteem and lack of social life. I also had the best school semester I have had to date while on heroin, this is easily explained by the fact while on heroin everything is interesting, I had 0% care about having low self esteem (heroin makes you feel like a god among men), and I had a lot of friends as people love heroin (this is not a reason to start using it - please don't - I am still recovering about one and a half years later :|).

After a year of heroin use I realized I had to quit, and I've been clean for 16 and 3/4 months thus far.


I've been ADHD since the day I was born and can verify this statement. Back when I was in grammer school-before the onset of my drug abuse-video games were my fix. Upon first recieving a gameboy and Pokemon:blue at age ten, I was instanly hooked. I was staying up all night playing the device, slept and daydreamed about pokemin throughtout the schoolday, and repeated the process when I got home. Before long, I began stealing money from my mother's purse at night and hitching rides with her to walmart to feed this virtual addiction.

Later in life, when i came of age, video games were replaced with (insert drugs here). Both the video games and the drugs were merely an easy escape that required absolutely no effort to get a hold of. Easily gotten, consistently effective, and pleasurable to those dopamine receptors I apprently don't have enough of, addiction was imminent since the day i was born.
 
I've been ADHD since the day I was born and can verify this statement. Back when I was in grammer school-before the onset of my drug abuse-video games were my fix. Upon first recieving a gameboy and Pokemon:blue at age ten, I was instanly hooked. I was staying up all night playing the device, slept and daydreamed about pokemin throughtout the schoolday, and repeated the process when I got home. Before long, I began stealing money from my mother's purse at night and hitching rides with her to walmart to feed this virtual addiction.

Later in life, when i came of age, video games were replaced with (insert drugs here). Both the video games and the drugs were merely an easy escape that required absolutely no effort to get a hold of. Easily gotten, consistently effective, and pleasurable to those dopamine receptors I apprently don't have enough of, addiction was imminent since the day i was born.

I'm the same exact way - well, sort of. I used to be extremely into video games, but then after I got into drugs I just stopped playing them. They no longer really interested me. I remember in middle school staying up until the morning some nights playing PlanetSide online. Or even going back to elementary school, being so into Zelda on gameboy. Those were the day's, before drugs changed everything.

Now, I only use marijuana and the occasional dose of adderall that I'm prescribed, and recently I've gotten back into playing Modern Warfare 2. But it's weird because I went basically 4 months without playing the game, then bought the map pack recently and started playing it again. I'm no longer the video-game enthusiast I once was I guess.

But in terms of how I justify my use of marijuana nowadays, it's quite different than maybe how it was when I first was introduced. I have mild depression and anger - I'm not an angry person at all usually, but I get kind of annoyed and am able to go off on people if I don't smoke. Smoking keeps me calm, stable, and able to handle everything. There's no greater anti-depressant. I think people with ADD/ADHD are more susceptible to depression than the general population. And this aspect of depression can contribute to all the other symptoms. Think of it this way, if your not happy, are you going to be able to focus on some intellectual problem, or are you going to be scatter brained? And when you try to force yourself into doing it, you naturally go into this quasi-panic mode. Which further complicates the situation by affecting your levels of hyperactivity and impulivity.
 
I'm the same exact way - well, sort of. I used to be extremely into video games, but then after I got into drugs I just stopped playing them. They no longer really interested me. I remember in middle school staying up until the morning some nights playing PlanetSide online. Or even going back to elementary school, being so into Zelda on gameboy. Those were the day's, before drugs changed everything.

Now, I only use marijuana and the occasional dose of adderall that I'm prescribed, and recently I've gotten back into playing Modern Warfare 2. But it's weird because I went basically 4 months without playing the game, then bought the map pack recently and started playing it again. I'm no longer the video-game enthusiast I once was I guess.

But in terms of how I justify my use of marijuana nowadays, it's quite different than maybe how it was when I first was introduced. I have mild depression and anger - I'm not an angry person at all usually, but I get kind of annoyed and am able to go off on people if I don't smoke. Smoking keeps me calm, stable, and able to handle everything. There's no greater anti-depressant. I think people with ADD/ADHD are more susceptible to depression than the general population. And this aspect of depression can contribute to all the other symptoms. Think of it this way, if your not happy, are you going to be able to focus on some intellectual problem, or are you going to be scatter brained? And when you try to force yourself into doing it, you naturally go into this quasi-panic mode. Which further complicates the situation by affecting your levels of hyperactivity and impulivity.

Yup..stories such as yours tend to be typical amongst ADHD/ADD kids. How often do you use your adderal? When you smoke, does it truly make you happy or does it merely take away the boredom (making you conent with what you probably consider a mediocre life)? Does the idea of smoking make you happy, the ritual of igniting and inhaling the herb, or the effects?
 
Yup..stories such as yours tend to be typical amongst ADHD/ADD kids. How often do you use your adderal? When you smoke, does it truly make you happy or does it merely take away the boredom (making you conent with what you probably consider a mediocre life)? Does the idea of smoking make you happy, the ritual of igniting and inhaling the herb, or the effects?

I take 5mg, maybe 10mg (5 then 5 later) maybe 3 days a week. Prescribed to take more, but I just don't feel like it always.

I used to think it was the ritual, but not anymore. It's definitely the effects. Because once I feel something if I can continue to feel it - even if I don't really notice it fully I'll still be stoned. So I don't then smoke. The ritual used to be big, but not anymore.

To be honest, your spot on with the boredom thing. I'm a pre-med student going to be doing neurology. But I just get bored with the lack of information, lack of knowledge - details, details, details. I love details sometimes. I'm an incredibly curious individual. I love learning so fucking much. I literally love it more than anything. I just crave it. I've always been this way.

Marijuana moreso makes me content with things because when I'm stoned I see things a different way. A television show, or a movie, or whatever becomes infinitely more interesting, hell life becomes more interesting with weed. Sun shines brighter, cookies taste better, etc.

I honestly just can't wait until I can get into my field to start my life's work. I want to become one of the greatest neurologists ever. I want to discover new ways to exploit the potentials of the brain. It's like all this time between now and then I don't really care about. It's dead time to me. I just want to get to the next stage of life.
 
I take 5mg, maybe 10mg (5 then 5 later) maybe 3 days a week. Prescribed to take more, but I just don't feel like it always.

I used to think it was the ritual, but not anymore. It's definitely the effects. Because once I feel something if I can continue to feel it - even if I don't really notice it fully I'll still be stoned. So I don't then smoke. The ritual used to be big, but not anymore.

To be honest, your spot on with the boredom thing. I'm a pre-med student going to be doing neurology. But I just get bored with the lack of information, lack of knowledge - details, details, details. I love details sometimes. I'm an incredibly curious individual. I love learning so fucking much. I literally love it more than anything. I just crave it. I've always been this way.

Marijuana moreso makes me content with things because when I'm stoned I see things a different way. A television show, or a movie, or whatever becomes infinitely more interesting, hell life becomes more interesting with weed. Sun shines brighter, cookies taste better, etc.

I honestly just can't wait until I can get into my field to start my life's work. I want to become one of the greatest neurologists ever. I want to discover new ways to exploit the potentials of the brain. It's like all this time between now and then I don't really care about. It's dead time to me. I just want to get to the next stage of life.

good luck with that...thats pretty much my plan.

The process of becoming "qualified" in this world is way too long and drawn out for ADD people to handle. If i cant see obvious results from my work (money or respect), it just doesnt seem worth the trouble.

Your dosing schedule sounds like a good one, you have self control and use it right. Chances are tolerance wont be much of a problem for you.
 
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