Active Law Enforcement infiltrator in BL?

[chugs]

I've read a many post and thread about being coy in describing use, exploits, dates, times, names, and other information that could incriminate oneself, this being due to the use of Australia's LE agencies i.e. ACC etc using BL to develop intelligence about the drug scene. That implies there are a many unregistered guest in these threads reading our stories.

yet i wonder if these agencies are trying to insert infiltrators who talk the talk, build up their post count and create strategic relationships with an aim to using bluelighters in their future operations?

now i don't think i'm being paranoid but it struck me the other day when i a received an unsolicited private message indicating some information about me that i've never described in a bluelight thread. now i don't think this person is a copper or anything but I guess it got the thinking juices flowing.

so has anyone else experienced anything like this before? have any bluelighters (in aus:drugs) ever been busted, used or caught by LE due to their relationship with bluelight?

Were they people with a moderate post count? moderate rep? who seemed to talk the talk?

 

[Sykik]

Please think before you post in this thread. Also do not make accusations in this thread.

On a side note it isn't against the rules for LE to join the forum, however it is against a rule if they (or anyone) try to source on here. Regardless of whether it is for trapping or personal use.

I have never been busted via BL.

Also keep rumors of people away from this thread.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i don't know of anyone in australia who has been directly targetted by LE but an american friend of mine has been targetted due to some posts on bluelight and had some legal issues for a while.

the australian bust that sticks out in my mind is the infamous perth gathering

however it is against a rule if they (or anyone) try to source on here. Regardless of whether it is for trapping or personal use.

it's a shame we can't crackdown harder on them with more than just an infraction on an internet forum

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

It pays to be as discreet as possible when posting about drugs online.

You just never know who may be reading and what the information that you give, could be used for.

Some individuals in LE know these threads as good as you or I.

We are an amazing resource for the Australian Police and it's about time they gave something back by introducing substance testing and posting all of the results online.

In this age of MDMA substitutes, we are of great value to both the end user and those who want to see what is currently available on the Australian market.

Always post as if you are emailing a Police officer, because this is, in effect, what you do every time you post on BL

 

[Sykik]

Always post as if you are emailing a Police officer, because this is, in effect, what you do every time you post on BL

Sad but true.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

This thread has little value other than serving as a timely reminder that you are being watched and teaching those who may one day bust your ass.

I'll leave it open so people can get a reality check for today.

Do not start flaming anyone, even the Police, or I will close it straight away

 

[studman69]

what happened at the perth gathering?

 

[hyroller]

To answer your question: yes

BUT it wasn't to do with law enforcement (although they did indeed get involved) so much as legal representation 8) and a hefty case of bad luck.

The individual concerned was far from being a member of protective services.

 

[phase_dancer]

what happened at the perth gathering?

A few BLers were busted, however, I think there was a bit more to it, including, iirc, at least one user's RL name being mentioned on the board and that he was also being watched.

None of what's been mentioned in this thread should come as a surprise to our regulars. I doubt whether trying to entrap members either directly on the board or via PM would be likely, at least not on a broad scale. Still, if you were being watched by the cops for other reasons, and they also knew you posted here, they may very well try to contact you.

Personally, I believe LE are more interested in general trends, organised crime and things like importing/selling analogue drugs etc, than drug users per se. All the same, there will always be risks, and it's why we recently introduced the new forum guidelines

 

[Busty St Clare]

Do not start flaming anyone, even the Police, or I will close it straight away

That's such a narc thing to say. In fact I remember it used to be impossible to type in the word "narc" without the server (or something techy) blocking it.

I post on this board with a health does of bullshit (perhaps 85% of what I write is not real). You just have to work out which 15% is true.

 

[Crankinit]

I'm not sure if they'd bother trying to infiltrate this place undercover or anything. Most people seem smart enough to not mention anything incriminating beyond discussing their own personal use, so it'd be a real shot in the dark to try hook up with people here with the aim of making connections that would allow them to take down any major players.

It's a well known fact that LE and the media read here, however, which is something to keep in mind.

 

[chugs]

Its a shame the LE's don't have official representation in BL. have they ever been offered a post/role?

a penny for their thoughts as to how the "other side" sees the war....

 

[phase_dancer]

My laptop was at a friend's apartment when it got searched by police. No one was home. They left it on the table and my 'address book' was open, so they obviously went through it. On my desktop I had a bunch of PDFs, including three of Uncle Fester's popular synthesis manuals, and I had AusDD bookmarked in my browser. Set to automatic login. Should I be worried?


Not that I have anything to worry about.

I'd suggest changing your BL password. If you're worried, call a lawyer. imo it would be worth the few bucks for the phone call. Some police are equipped with a sort of portable drive that will copy your H/D, so it may be that they have all your info.

Don't know about Vic, but in Qld synthesis stuff is definitely not allowed. Whether fester's (mostly crappy) recipes alone would prove beyond doubt you were intending to synth drugs I have no idea, but unless you have some legit research for which these are needed I'd suggest not having them on your PC.

Its a shame the LE's don't have official representation in BL. have they ever been offered a post/role?

Many years ago there was a cop that signed up and indicated who he was, but he didn't last long - reprimanded perhaps?

You might be surprised how much LE related info makes it way onto this forum, mostly from those academics and researchers who, in the course of their work, communicate with such people.

 

[skatkid]

If the mods became aware someone was LE using bluelight to gather info would they tell the rest of us as a matter of harm minimisation?

 

[Sykik]

Well no one should be posting incriminating amounts or accept sourcing offers, so there should be no harm anyway.

 

[thestudent14]

Well they also found some cannabis that belonged to me, and I went to the station to take responsibility for it. All I got was a caution, it's only valid in Victoria and I'm no longer living there. Case closed, or am I being watched?


(fuk da po po)

I'm not certain, but I think formal cautions are different to warnings.
Cautions will sit on your record where warnings won't. or something, could someone elaborate on this.

 

[Sameria]

^That is true, but there is an informal and a formal caution. Formal caution goes on record, informal gets remembered by the cop who gave it to you and perhaps recorded in the local police station.

 

[acidicweed_69]

Its a shame the LE's don't have official representation in BL. have they ever been offered a post/role?

a penny for their thoughts as to how the "other side" sees the war....

wow, i've almost always thought of BL as a haven away from LE, but thats one pretty damn smart idea

 

[phase_dancer]

If the mods became aware someone was LE using bluelight to gather info would they tell the rest of us as a matter of harm minimisation?

I'm sure none of our mods are aware of any person from LE that currently posts here, I certainly haven't heard anything. In a broader sense, the answer to your question is yes, and we have done in regards to what we do know; Aus LE certainly use BL as a source of information, and that means they do trawl the site, particularly this forum.

However, we can only speculate on the specifics of their intent i.e. whether BL only serves as an early warning system for new drugs, and a good indication of trends, or whether there is also intent to target our members. I've already stated my thoughts on this.

The other thing that needs to be remembered is that many groups use BL as a source of information. There are countless papers, websites, reports etc that mention BL. Drug trend studies are hosted here, and much of that information is ultimately accessed by LE, just like any report on illegal activity. If, in reading those reports LE felt they didn't get all the answers, why wouldn't they come here themselves to try to get a better picture?

It happens, and accordingly, everyone should remind themselves of this before posting any incriminating information. And it doesn't need to be said that admitting having knowledge of serious criminal activity is certainly likely to attract attention.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I've received some suspicious PMs, I got one just recently asking me for a source from a user with zero posts at all. I'm completely paranoid (not of law enforcement) at the best of times though.