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Acid & Benzos, MDMA & speed

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Leeq

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I know MDMA & amphetamines don't qualify as psychedelics, but I thought I may as well include the question in this thread, feel free (Mods) to move or alter.

So, going to this festival next weekend. I'm planning on tripping on the first night (In 'The Coppice', an enclosed forest area that plays Psytrance, with trippy decor and lights and that) and the second I plan on taking MDMA and speed (I don't get the rush I'd like on MDMA alone). Questions.

I have an anxiety disorder, and while psychedelics don't make my anxiety all that much worse, I want to be able to dance around while tripping, don't want to care. My friend can get Valium, and I was wondering...

Can I take some valium and then drop acid? Will I just lose any anxiety but still have the same strength trip?

Also, how would taking a small bomb of speed while on acid go down? After the comeup, to get nice and wired?

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MDMA and speed. I'll probably bomb 150mg of MDMA and 150 of speed, I'll be getting a gram of speed so If I need more it's fine. Will this be fine, and how long will I be up for? 6 hours? I snorted some MDMA the other night, had two alright lines, then about an hour later snorted a nice sized line, was up for at least 5.5 hours.
 
hmmm, sounds like your gearing up to harm your body.

First off do not take a benzo before the LSD mise well just skip both the benzo will greatly weakin the LSD experience. Benzos are used to kill a trip or MDMA session.

How many drugs do you need to have fun!?

Personally I would start off tripping the first night, Maybe use a small amount of speed throughout the days because you will most likely be tired and drained. Use the MDMA the second night.

Dont bomb MDMA + SPEED + BENZO, That ridiculous.

I would have the benzo on hand and only use it to relax after the LSD or MDMA however this is still minorly dangerous to use a benzo and MDMA or speed.

Classic upper downer no no.
 
EarthBounded said:
hmmm, sounds like your gearing up to harm your body.

First off do not take a benzo before the LSD mise well just skip both the benzo will greatly weakin the LSD experience. Benzos are used to kill a trip or MDMA session.

How many drugs do you need to have fun!?

Personally I would start off tripping the first night, Maybe use a small amount of speed throughout the days because you will most likely be tired and drained. Use the MDMA the second night.

Dont bomb MDMA + SPEED + BENZO, That ridiculous.

I would have the benzo on hand and only use it to relax after the LSD or MDMA however this is still minorly dangerous to use a benzo and MDMA or speed.

Classic upper downer no no.
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I'm not doing acid without an anti-anxiety, I know I wont have a good time. I've heard that benzos just get rid of the anxiety, that they don't get rid of the visuals etc.

I wasn't planning on taking Valium & MDMA, just MDMA & speed. I've had pills with MDMA and speed and they get me a lot more wired than crystal MDMA alone, that's why I plan on having a low dose of speed to get me more up.
 
I know lots of people disagree with psy + benzo, but for me a properly dosed combination is quite nice. Never tried lsd, but for the things I've tried it goes like this: low dose benzos only remove the speedy body load, a little higher removes anxiety, even higher the mental effects. Never managed to get rid of the visuals (not that I tried).
 
Here's what I would do. Just dose as you plan, and be sure to have the Valium. Only take the Valium if you have too, and take as little as possible. If you start feeling some anxiety tripping, rolling, or tweaking just take a small dose of Valium. Not a recreational dose, not an 'abort' dose, just enough to get a little bit of anti-anxiety. I'm not very familiar with Valium or dosages, but maybe take just 2mg or so, and if that doesn't quite do it for you, you always have more. Don't take it ahead of time or in anticipation of anxiety, only take it when the symptoms show themselves and after trying to ease your anxiety without the use of benzos. Everybody likes doing things their own way, and I can't even pretend to know what would work for you, but that's what I would personally do myself
 
^ agree spot on with this guy....and to add taking the benzo after anxiety starts ,....dont take it before anything when u may not even need it, just dose low on the acid and enjoy it youll only get anxiety if you take too much
 
Okay, cheers guys. What would be a good dose for getting rid of anxiety but not knocking me flat-out (Never done a benzo) and killing the trip? My friend can get them for free but I'm unsure what mg the pills are.
 
Agreed as well, however I would leave out or seriously limit taking MDMA and speed at the same time as LSD because on the comedown it can turn from euphoric and energized into tired and anxious. The benzo can help with anxiety but it seems counterproductive to feed your anxiety too much. Benzo's do blunt a trip, but at an event that may not be such a bad thing.

About the dose, with valium you can start with no more than 5 mg. If necessary add another 5 mg. Be careful to go higher because it can make you pretty tired and sleepy, if not immediately then when the other drugs wear off.
Do not take a lot of any of these drugs, otherwise you will be jumbling to keep a balance between the effects and side effects, adding speed to keep awake, then more valium to combat anxiety, etc etc!
 
Leeq said:
Okay, cheers guys. What would be a good dose for getting rid of anxiety but not knocking me flat-out (Never done a benzo) and killing the trip? My friend can get them for free but I'm unsure what mg the pills are.
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That's a hard question.... I won't name any specific doses, but I would suggest to start low and only take more if the anxiety is still too much.
 
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A 'pill' (or half of it) is not a measure of dosage, there exist 2 mg pills and 20 mg pills.

Also the fact that it is the first time Leeq is taking a benzo should not be taken lightly.

Furthermore I assume the speed is not pure amphetamine but rather like a typical purity you would encounter which is more along the lines of 10-20% (this is true).
 
But isn't for most benzos 1 pil 1 dose? Unless you have some home made ones with a higher than normal amount of the active ingredient?

At least he ones I've seen anyway .... 1mg xanax pills, 10mg valium pills, 3mg bromazepam, ..
 
No that is too simple, benzo's have several applications and on average the dose meant for treating insomnia is different than the appropriate dose meant for treating anxiety.
I said 'on average' because people react differently and after seeing how someone reacts a good healthcare professional finetunes the prescription up and down to match those differences.

Example: I have used alprazolam in doses of around 1 mg while my best friend recently took 0.25 mg because his situation was different on a number of levels. And it is not strange at all to encounter pills of that drug ranging from about 0.5 mg to 2 mg. Such a 4-fold spread of dosage can easily mean the difference between awake with anxiolysis and drowsy as fuck / knocked out and asleep.
The fact that we know nothing yet about how sensitive Leeq is makes this all the more important. Like I said, before you know it you are taking much more of uppers and downers than you originally planned, to put a brake on the up and downswings - with any number of possible outcomes. You need to learn how to dose them appropriately to avoid that.
 
Thank's for your correction, benzos are rarely prescribed here, so I haven't really seen much of the non rc ones. I edited my post, is it better now?
 
Certainly.

It is good when benzo's are not prescribed too often, they are very addictive and a bad long-term solution because if you stop taking them the symptoms come back, often stronger. I can personally attest to that.
 
I definitely agree with the second part of your post - benzos used correctly can be a miracle drug for some people, but giving them out like candy just causes more problems than it solves.
 
Cheers for all the info guys.

Well, what I'm thinking now is.

1 hit of 25i and 1/2 hit of 25c, the full dose of 25i will give me more psychedelic effects, while the half of 25c will give me a nice body load, not unlike MDMA. I'll have the valium on me also, although I may take 5mg as I start to peak.

The next night I will just take MDMA, and I will have the Valium on me also, just in case. I'll probably get some Ketamine as well as that's always fun, and while being an anaesthetic it is not a typical downer.

Doesn't look like the guy who was going to be sorting us amphs (Base, so not your typical 10% street speed, but still not pure) is coming through now anyhow.
 
I wasn't aware that you were contemplating using NBOMe compounds. I would definitely not take amphetamine with those. With MDMA you are also increasing the risks / dangers. I assume from your post that you already have experience with NBOMe compounds making it less likely that you are freakishly sensitive to the toxic effects, but you should still be aware that such cocktails, especially involving superpotent novel research chemicals carry risk.

If or when you take the benzo I recommend you let it dissolve under your tongue, IMO it works quite fast that way.

Ketamine tends to become relatively uninteresting the more you add a benzo to it. The good effects rapidly disappear that way but you still get anaesthesia (narcosis).

Ketamine combined with a potent psychedelic like LSD or NBOMe compounds people can get really extreme experiences. If the dosages are enough it would be asking for a form of delerium. Well not like with datura but still a separation with reality causing you to function / behave unpredictably.

Maybe if you try to stay responsible this can be avoided but at an event, disinhibited by the drugs you take initially you may be much more loose in the decisions you make regarding the intake of more drugs.

You would do well to carry rather modest doses of everything so that you limit the risks when you end up taking it all.
 
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