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Absinthe - A restrospective for those who wish to destroy thier brains

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Absinthe - A restrospective for those who wish to destroy their brains

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Weight: 110 ~ 120 lbs

This is not a single trip report but a retrospective of my experience with absinthe. For the past few months I have been living in Japan where high quality absinthe is easily available for a somewhat reasonable price. In total I have consumed about 3 bottles of absinthe, all of French origin (Pernod and mostly Versinthe Le Blanche). These are both real absinthes that contain thujone beyond the legal limits as defined by US law.

Dosage:
I started out drinking only 2 to 3 glasses of absinthe prepared with 5 parts water to 1 part liquor and adding sugar. By the end of my experience I was normally drinking 1/3 to ½ of a bottle. All of these dosages were consumed very quickly, most in 25 to 40 minutes.

With regular alcohol I am quite a heavy drinker. I usually go for the hard stuff and can kill close to a fifth by myself throughout a night of clubbing. I have had nights in the past 6 months when I have consumed far more than a fifth at “all you can drink” clubs but I am unsure of the exact amount. Let’s just say I can hold my spirits and know the difference between drunk and something more.

Subjective Effects:
Some occasions I felt incredible euphoria while under this drinks influence. There is definitely a highly aware element to the absinthe high. I felt drunk but remained very lucid in thought (or so I personally believed but my actions would suggest otherwise). While on absinthe I often believed I was not severely inebriated but became lost in familiar places and acted generally ridiculous. There is undoubtedly something more to its effects than simply drunkenness.

Subjective After Effects:
I normally do not suffer severe hangovers unless I drink insane amounts of liquor combined with wine and beer. When I drink absinthe I have day long hangovers from hell. There is a certain element of the hangover that seems delirious (not to be confused with psychedelic). Sleep patterns are severely disrupted and the sleep I do get is not restful. When I try to rest I notice strange morphing white blobs over my closed eye lids. Recently after some serious over indulgence I have began notice more static over my open eye visual field but I suspect I was always there, I am simply now more aware of it. During the day after serious overuse I often have an odd physical sensation in the upper portion of the middle right side of my skull. It is a “brain buzz” sensation but feels very dirty and toxic to me. Overall I feel like I am severely damaging my brain by drinking this spirit but the jury is still out in the field of objective scientific testing as to just how bad that damage is. Interestingly I can report much more about absinthes negative side effects than its positive peak. Please by careful and do not believe many absinthe proponents claims of total safety.

Overall Impressions:
Anyone who tells you absinthe is placebo simply has not consumed the real deal. I can understand why it has a reputation of making people a little nuts. It seems to take whatever emotional state you are in and amplify it substantially with added confidence and idiocy. While this is a great thing when feeling good in a safe environment it can spell disaster in many other cases (as you can read more about below). Although alcohol in and of itself is an addictive drug I find the urge to consume absinthe much greater than other hard spirits despite its much harsher consequences. Below are several trip reports including the more extreme of memorable times I have had with this drink. That is not to say that they are the sum of all my experience, just some interesting and hopefully entertaining highlights.

Some accounts of my experiences:

1. The first dance:
There is an absinthe cafe located in Osaka Japan, not more than an hour from my residence at the time. I was very curious what real absinthe was about and had no prior experience (not even with imitation absinthe). I drank 2 glasses of Versinthe Le Blance brand absinthe totaling about 100 ml of spirits in about 30 minutes. My initial impressions were that it tasted great, and I felt a little bit jittery. I found myself tapping my foot almost uncontrollably to the best of the down tempo techno playing in the cafe. Thinking absinthe was mostly hype I left the cafe and began walking around Osaka with my 4.5 Oz flask of Tanqueray Ten which I proceeded to kill in the next 20 minutes. At T+ 50 minutes I began to feel quite uncoordinated. I continued to walk around for a bit and visited a large novelty shop. At about T+ 80 minutes I realized I was totally wasted off of only 250ml of hard liquor, both about 50 percent alcohol. This is quite unusual for me as I mentioned above my tolerance for alcohol is quite high. I continued to wander around in my intoxicated state until about T+ 140 minutes at which point the time scale gets a bit fuzzy. I know I got lost in an area of Osaka I knew fairly well before catching a train home. On the way back to my apartment after a 45 minute train ride I smoked a semi decent tobacco cigar and arrived home at probably T+ 230 minutes.

This first experience I did not experience all the subtleties of absinthe but rather felt intensely fucked up off of relatively little alcohol. On a side note when I retired to bed I had a very enjoyable body load similar to smoking a quality indica strain. Music also sounded better.

2. Absinthe at a rave:
I drank about 1/3 of a bottle of Versinthe Le Blance over the course of 40 minutes. The set and setting was an outdoor rave during Cherry blossom festival at Osaka Castle. I began dancing and was having a great time, feeling intensely fucked up as usual from a relatively small amount of absinthe. After a short time a kind fellow sent some green smoke in my direction which I had not experienced in the prior 2.5 months. This sent me into another world and could easily be one of my best combo experiences ever. I almost instantly locked into the music and had an incredible body buzz with insane amounts of mental euphoria. I felt as if I was pulling away from my body while I danced. I have experienced this combination with regular liquor countless times and it was never this intense or good. Throughout the night I continued to hit my flask which was filled with a few more ounces of Versinthe. I continued to dance until the sun rose at which point it was about 6 AM and quite cold. I headed home and experienced a hangover from hell the next day. Despite having one of the best nights of my life I felt fairly depressed and just mentally not all there. I think it was 7 PM before I really got out of bed and showered.

3. Absinthe and self destruction
The set and setting is a friends birthday party and a Japanese style bar. The night before I had drank a moderate amount of absinthe but nothing insane but I was pretty hungover until about 6 PM. Around 9 PM I had one glass of Versinthe Le Blanche and headed towards the bar drinking 150ml of 25% alcohol shochu (Japanese style vodka). Over the next 3 hours I proceeded to drink six glasses of Pernod Absinthe for a total amount of about 350 ml absinthe consumed throughout the night. I was intensely wasted but not experiencing a notable amount of euphoria. I chalk this up to set and setting because some attendants made me uncomfortable. After about 4 hours of acting like a drunken fool it was time to head home.

At this point things go down hill fast. A “friend” sells me out in a big way and I flip out. Being in Japan the ass beating option was out of the question so I proceeded to punch concrete walls, bushes, etc. on the walk back to my apartment. Upon arrival I am still quite angry so I head to the local park with a friend and a bottle of Tanqueray Ten. I quickly chug about ¼ of the bottle of warm gin on the way to the park. At this point my memory fails me but according to my friends account I fell down 2 flights of concrete stairs in the park and bashed my head off of stone slabs two other times. One of the times I fell, become unresponsive for about 1 minute then got up like nothing had happened. I assume I was knocked out. The next day I was still intoxicated until at least 5 PM. I mean this in the most serious sense, although I felt mentally less drunk the room was spinning intensely and not in a hangover way. I was still severely uncoordinated and had strange sensations on my skin. It felt ultra sensitive yet numb at the same time. I felt like complete shit for the next two days and mentally not there for several more thereafter. In the aftermath of the night I walked away with a broken cigarette case, dented steel flask, lost Zippo lighter and remainder of the Tanqueray bottle, a broken digital camera, a severely cut up hand from punching things, and likely a mild concussion from being knocked out. In my best estimate during that weekend I remained intoxicated for 60 out of 72 hours if black out time counts. Not a good sign…

To top it all off the absinthe high did not feel all that great while I was on it.

4. Furthering the cycle of retardation:
So at this point I had still not learned my lesson about what happens when you drink too much absinthe too fast. The set is a bar one train stop away from my apartment with a few friends. Tonight there was going to be a house DJ at the bar so I grabbed a 1/3 full bottle of Versinthe and headed out. Once on the train I proceeded to drink what was in the bottle in about 20 minutes. I was not feeling all that messed up about 25 minutes after finishing the absinthe so I started on whiskey and headed into the bar. I felt a lot more sociable than usual but once again the awesome euphoria that my earlier absinthe experiences held was strangely lacking this time around. I danced for a few hours and consumed one beer and about 200 ml of 40 percent alcohol whiskey. For one reason or another my friend an I left the bar and headed towards his host families home. The last thing I remembered was walking through the rain.

I wake around noon on the floor of a modern style Japanese home. My hand is covered in blood, pants are soaking wet, and my cellular phone is utterly destroyed while still inside of its belt pouch. A few minutes later I find out that I am on the floor of my friend’s room and I had taken a nasty fall while charging through the rain on the way home. After some more sleep I head home feeling like utter shit and quite sick to my stomach. On the walk back to my apartment I throw up several times, once included a noticeable amount of blood. I feel awful for the next two days and very sore from the fall. After the third day of recovery may head started to feel normal again (in a mental sense).

During the peak I was having a good time but lacked euphoria. I was however pleasantly wasted beyond what alcohol alone could deliver.
 
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You know, when I read the title of this report, I thought it was going to be a reactionary tale of the horrible dangers of the devil's drink. But now I realize it's more like a tale of excessive consumption and alcohol abuse. But a really good report, nonetheless, don't get me wrong.

I'd say you did some brain damage for sure. But was it the absinthe? I'd say it wasn't so much the thujone content of the liquor but the vast quantity of liquor you consumed that did it. Alcohol is quite effective alone at killing brain cells, especially over time.
 
dude I could have just as easily written this report about bacardi 151 and my freshman year. Except instead of three bottles over a few months it was 3 bottles with a friend every week, for a few months.

Still, I am interested in how you say there was something more to the buzz. I have found when I consume a large quantity of high proof alcohol really quickly the buzz is totally different than an equal quantity of alcohol in lower concentration.

Have you drank similar concentration alcohol with similar speed and had dissimilar effect?
 
vesinthe la blanche is actually more like 60%, and pernod absinthe about 68% if i remember correctly, which is significantly more alcohol when drunk it large quantities. also properly distilled absinthe contains very low levels of thujone, it appears that not much survives the distillation process.

thought it was an interesting read although i get the impression your report has been influenced by the greatly exaggerated stories of pre-ban absinthe. i wonder if it would have read differently if you knew nothing of its past. i agree that it reads more like a tale of any hard liquor abuse
 
I definitely hear where alot of the above criticism is coming from but let me first clarify a few things. I do normally drink those amounts of hard liquor, often even faster if it is not absinthe (extremely stupid I know). As I mentioned above it is not unheard of for me to drink a fifth throughout a night of partying. The subjective effects are far different from other hard liquors.

I can tell the subtle differences from a whiskey drunk and a clear spirit drunkeness (gin or vodka). Absinthe is definitely more than these subtle differences. A good part of my hangovers are no doubt from my extreme abuse but never have I expereienced a hangover from normal spirits that comes close to the ferocity of an absinthe hangover.

For Atomboy:
I mentioned the thujone content just so I would not have to hear the usual "there is not enough thujone...." bullshit. Personally I can care less about the thujone content, that is not what makes absinthe more than liquor. In my mind it is pretty clear that absinthe is a "sum of the whole" effect from a variety of mildly psychoactive plants potentiating each other and being amplified by high proof hard liquor.

Also if you read my report carefully you will notice it is absent of any claims of increased creativity or most any of the other classic claims. In fact I was extremely skeptical of absinthe and expected it to do nothing more than get me drunk. I quickly found out otherwise with effects far to pronounced to be written off as placebo. I find it to be an enjoyable club drug and could not fathom this being entertaining to do alone for "creativity". Never in my life have I lost controll during hard liquor binges like I have with drinking absinthe. I can hold it together pretty well on the fifth of vodka nights and never forgot more than a minor detail of the evening. With absinthe it is common for me to have large periods of blankness in my memory. I have had those fifth nights in between some of those absinthe abuse tales and it was a significantly different experience.


Finnally in regaurds to the strength of the liquors you are absolutely correct about pernod, about 68%. I will have to check the remainder of my last bottle of Le Blanche (which I will not be finishing) for proof but if my memory is correct it is only about 50% (I very well could be mistaken on this though).
 
i drink a lot of absinthe (none of that czech shit, nice swiss la bleues and french absinthes) so i completely understand what you are saying about the secondary effects. thats not what i was refering to when i said your report may have been influenced. i was refering to the negative effects you reported.

you say that youve had visual problems and other wierd sensations after big sessions but it seems that you also often have accidents (falling down stairs) during big sessions. im just saying that if you had these problems after binge drinking beer you might not be so quite to blame the beer.
 
Definitely understandable criticism but like I said before I am a hard liquor drinker (rarely touch anything else) and I do not expereience the same bad side effects from other spirits. Another interesting thing to note is that the hangover was not really noticably worse than any other spirits the first few times I drank absinthe but then it was in full effect.

Do you expereience similar symptoms after a sesion? And how heavily / often do you consume absinthe? I am curious if maybe I am just particularly sensative to its negative effects.
 
I find it to be an enjoyable club drug and could not fathom this being entertaining to do alone for "creativity". Never in my life have I lost controll during hard liquor binges like I have with drinking absinthe.

I believe the object of absinthe drinking is not to binge on it. From everything I've ever read about it, if you have more than a few drinks of it, since it is such a strong liquor, the alcohol will take over as the primary effect. But if you have a light amount, like just a few drinks, then it creates a very lucid and unique mindstate that is very much controllable. if you binge on it, then of course it'll be more hardcore with greater negative aftereffects than regular alcohol, because it is regular strong alcohol combined with numerous other psychoactive substances, all at once.

Not to get on your case or anything, but it was just an observation.
 
^^ Agreed; I too have had very similar experiences throughout the last two years especially; weekend binges where I'd polish off 3 or 4 bottles of Aberlour or similar whisky in one sitting, to myself...

I think it's mostly just the alcohol
 
If you can discern a "difference" between the effects of whiskey and the effects of vodka, then I question your ability to judge the possibility of placebo effect.
 
Look I have already answered all of the above questions. I didnt post this trip report to be personally attacked about my credibility. All I can say is if you dont like the report dont read it. Absinthe is bad shit that will mess you up, thinking any different is deluding yourself. icancu2k just because you cant hold your liquor does not mean other have the same problem.

I am done replying to the same predictable criticism, if someone has a real question or valid observation I would be glad to respond. All I can say is go try it for yourself if you dont believe me.
 
theWorldWithin said:
Do you expereience similar symptoms after a sesion? And how heavily / often do you consume absinthe? I am curious if maybe I am just particularly sensative to its negative effects.

i have never experienced symptoms like you describe. occasionally after i hit it hard i have a slightly worse hangover than normal but i put it down to the higher alcohol content (between 20-30% higher than other spirits i drink).

on average i drink absinthe 3 times a week but it is usually only 1 - 3 glasses (shots) a night. i would consider 6 - 12 glasses to be a big night.

i hope it didnt seem like i was having a go. i find absinthe very interesting, particularly the impact that its history has upon modern day consumers.
 
theWorldWithin said:
Look I have already answered all of the above questions. I didnt post this trip report to be personally attacked about my credibility. All I can say is if you dont like the report dont read it. Absinthe is bad shit that will mess you up, thinking any different is deluding yourself. icancu2k just because you cant hold your liquor does not mean other have the same problem.

I am done replying to the same predictable criticism, if someone has a real question or valid observation I would be glad to respond. All I can say is go try it for yourself if you dont believe me.

Nobody is attacking your credability mate; and I didn't once mention having any problem myself;

Hang on; I'll re-write my post in laymans terms

What I think; You could have been in pretty much exactly the same state as that with pretty much any alcohol...

I have a lifetime of experience in the pub trade; and I've seen people tripping off lager harder than I could on a double blotter...

So; yes; a valuable observation in my eyes; and rather than other people not reading this; why ask for these observations if you're going to whinge when you get them ?

This hostility is exactly why I lurked around for so long here on BL, rather than posting...
 
oh ; and just an addition ; obviously this is not naivity, I have more than enough expereince with absinthe also; I used to drink Sebor on almost a nightly basis; and Hapsburg premium before that ...
 
I should mention I have also had plenty of absinthe. I've never even noticed an increased hangover, although I've also never gotten fully drunk off it. Rather, I had a few glasses and went about my night enhanced. I really enjoy the absinthe buzz, whereas the regular alcohol buzz feel dirty and gross to me, so I definitely don't think that absinthe is placebo or anything.

So my advice to you remains: drinking shitloads of alcohol will fuck you up, and drinking shitloads of alcohol containing numerous other active substances will fuck you up even worse. But this does not mean absinthe is bad. It means substance abuse and overdose is bad.
 
Drinking absinthe must be done delicately. You have to achieve a balance of ingesting enough thujone to get high, but NOT so much alcohol that you are drunk because alcohol will take over the thujone too easily. And take it easy man.
 
icancu2k said:
So; yes; a valuable observation in my eyes; and rather than other people not reading this; why ask for these observations if you're going to whinge when you get them ?

This hostility is exactly why I lurked around for so long here on BL, rather than posting...

perhaps look at hostility as something to help you develop thicker skin and something to politely disarm rather than just something to be frustrated at. perspective and all that jazz eh?

to the op, a few thoughts

1 : try brown sugar next time (i'm guessing you're going with white).
2: pick up a paintbrush and canvas next time.

Xorkoth said:
I'd say you did some brain damage for sure. But was it the absinthe? I'd say it wasn't so much the thujone content of the liquor but the vast quantity of liquor you consumed that did it. Alcohol is quite effective alone at killing brain cells, especially over time.

3. xorkoth makes a good point. perhaps drinking less and a bit more frequently rather than binge drinking? your liver might be grateful for not having to work through such large amounts.
 
I had to add my two cents because binge drinking is a subject I am very familiar with. Well I to am like you, a high tolerance towards alcohol. However, hard liquor sends me into a spiral that I simply can't control.
Since hard liquor almost always results in bad things happening (i.e. nasty falls, instigating fights, hangovers from hell) have you ever thought about switching to beer? I mean, you will still get drunk and can control yourself, which will result in a better night out. What good is it to get beligerrent drunk almost every time you go out?
 
It's just back to the "everything in moderation" saying...

I've been taking it easy with the alcohol; I've seen the damage it can do; not only to myself (I was ill a couple of weeks ago, to a point where I was vomiting blood), my partner; she's been admitted to hospital 3 times with alcohol poisoning resulting in stomach pumps... which, thankfully are all in the past; and hey, you know - I can now enjoy myself, even have some full weekend binges still; but I know when to stop now... I don't want to experience my 3 day hangover ever again...

(the result of going that little bit too far)
 
Atom boy thanks for the response. It seems that I am particularly sensative to this substance's bad effects from what everyone else seems to be reporting about the hangover. However most everyone I know in person who has tried absinthe reports having a much worse hangover than regular spirits.

In reguards to the multitude of posters who obviously did not read my original post and replies: I rountinely drink at least twice the amount of ethanol and do not suffer hangovers even a third as bad. It is not simply because of the alcohol content, I cant stress that enough. And please refrain from the "maybe you should drink less" comments because it is incredibly obvious to me and everyone else. I never claimed absinthe will have the same effect on you, its a personal trip report, please take it as that. In my case it fucked up my brain, maybe you can handle it, my body can not.
 
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