I doubt that Kanna helped the brain zaps (it causes them in countless people tbh) but I bet that the tianeptine was the solution there.
What are you combining with the mescaline?
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What are you combining with the mescaline?
chris_p
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Rue and mushrooms, will probably wait 2-3 hours first before taking them, mesc takes ass long to kick in
Anecdotally its an SRI similar to MDMA, so likely the case
Hell yeah man! Nothing's positively impacted me like harmaline/THH have to be honest. Mesc always takes 3.5-4 hours for me too, depending on dosage it seems. First alerts are always minor and are a couple hours in.
Anecdotally I can attest to insufflated/vaped large amounts of Kanna 400x-500x extracts for people who'd never rolled before had them sweating, eyes shaking and pupils blown our, dragging themselves over the shag carpet. I once ate something like half a gram or so of that same extract and had a wild ass roll, I was uncontrollably spewing all of my thoughts, loves, tensions, etc., kept breaking cups I'd try to pick up, accidentally broke a coffee table just by touching it, etc.
chris_p
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Haha, I live right where the stuff grows naturally, it's almost an invasive weed I walk past the stuff constantly, you can get super strong extracts for dirt cheap, I've also had those similar experiences, it fucks up with your motor controls super strong on high dose extracts. I think it has similar dangers to MDMA however when used in excess, otherwise its quite nice and relaxing. It's like a super confusing roll with some salvia-type hallucinations, the physical euphoria from it can get very intense, highly underrated substance, but snorting/smoking the extracts had my throat feeling fucking horrid for days, when used orally its extremely mild however
I'm assuming you took it in the cactus form? Metabolization takes longer that way I'd imagine, I also remember it taking super long with some very mild trippy thought patterns then a sudden kick like a horse. I remember reading some people saying plugging it makes it kick in 20 minutes, not something I'm sure I'd try but sounds interesting..
chris_p
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Drank the stuff at 7:30.. tasted about as I expected, very akin to sweet, bitter vomit with a nice hint of liquorice. Having had my expectations already set with a previous experience with mescaline, just went to the bar and started talking to some friends to pass time until anything fun would start happening
Started slowly feeling it creeping in about an hour and half or so after.. like tiny cartoony tendrils slowly wrapping my vision.. it always shocks me how different this is from what I am used to my with tryptamines, where normally i am hit with the immediate feeling of 'something is coming', the feeling of being encased 'in some other place' awaiting something to be revealed, here it just feels like everything slowly becomes more interesting and cartoonish, vivid and edges blurring into one another, I would call it a functional stimulant mushroom. Although it might be cliche for me to say it this way, but it really does feel like mushrooms and MDMA, but the genetic contraception of both, holding its own unique DNA and talents to express mentally. I think the genius child of both.
Started slowly feeling it creeping in about an hour and half or so after.. like tiny cartoony tendrils slowly wrapping my vision.. it always shocks me how different this is from what I am used to my with tryptamines, where normally i am hit with the immediate feeling of 'something is coming', the feeling of being encased 'in some other place' awaiting something to be revealed, here it just feels like everything slowly becomes more interesting and cartoonish, vivid and edges blurring into one another, I would call it a functional stimulant mushroom. Although it might be cliche for me to say it this way, but it really does feel like mushrooms and MDMA, but the genetic contraception of both, holding its own unique DNA and talents to express mentally. I think the genius child of both.
chris_p
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Oh... I forgot to take the rue.. well this is interesting enough on its own, I don't think I'll be needing it. Maybe when I've understood it a little bit better
chris_p
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The colour and intensity of Mescaline is almost blazing in comparison to that of tryptamines like shrooms.. where I am left with strange, ethereal experiences of soul-like quality that resonates from the inner consciousness outwards to the senses, Mescaline seems to pull itself from the outward senses inwards into the headspace or mind, with an almost blazing, powerful colourful and solid intensity. Like... egotistic shrooms
chris_p
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So what? I just took a recreational dosage of mescaline, completely dead center within the average dosage (400mg HCL). Didn't do any combinations this time, though was planning on it, the effect is powerful enough (and different enough) from what I'm normally expecting to desire any kind of combination at the current moment.
I think I am rather gambling my life away thinking about every other little wasted moment that can be savoured for no good reason. I don't think there's anything to waste, in fact. I think there's enough time as reality keeps turning for us to experience we want to, why make it boring?
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There are a lot of things that do not require one to embibe a psychoactive compound that can be even more profound BECAUSE they do not require such things.
I'm not saying they have no value, merely that it may limit one to presume them to be the only way to escape one's internal life.
I've gone through the card with every psychoactive and ended up finding that while useful as sign-posts, I wished to actually go to a place of my choosing sans drugs. Which does take a lot more effort, but has the virtue of one being able to stay and of course, no comedowns.
I'm not saying they have no value, merely that it may limit one to presume them to be the only way to escape one's internal life.
I've gone through the card with every psychoactive and ended up finding that while useful as sign-posts, I wished to actually go to a place of my choosing sans drugs. Which does take a lot more effort, but has the virtue of one being able to stay and of course, no comedowns.
chris_p
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Sometimes I wish there were more people in this forum who thought the way I do. I don't know anyone who thinks the way I do.
If you are reason it through, say, you are bringing more overall enjoyment from the act of 'staying' in total, then I would say that is wildly incorrect, as from a purely objective standpoint, we suffer far more than we feel joy to any degree. We are lied to by our brains to think otherwise every day. Your brain quite literally alters your memories to make it feel like you felt less pain in total in your existence than you truly did in the present moment. Think about how you are feeling right now, not exactly ecstatic no? Even if it is a neutral state. It's a strange one of mixed responses from every nerve ending, micropains felt at every end of the fleshy body you were forcefully born into. Yet you willingly endure this, despite your gift of self awareness.
I think humans have developed enough self awareness to build societies, language, art. But not enough to understand what the implications of their existence really means. The more time you waste, the more you let the horror go on.
That's great, you came to that conclusion. Now your role as the being-who-went-through-every-card-and-ended-up-only-finding-them-useful-as-signpoints is done, and that's all you were content with being. And you never once thought any deeper as to why you want to stay. You just want to stay because wanting to stay is 'what your brain is telling you you need to be doing'. But there is no objective reasoning to it.
If you are reason it through, say, you are bringing more overall enjoyment from the act of 'staying' in total, then I would say that is wildly incorrect, as from a purely objective standpoint, we suffer far more than we feel joy to any degree. We are lied to by our brains to think otherwise every day. Your brain quite literally alters your memories to make it feel like you felt less pain in total in your existence than you truly did in the present moment. Think about how you are feeling right now, not exactly ecstatic no? Even if it is a neutral state. It's a strange one of mixed responses from every nerve ending, micropains felt at every end of the fleshy body you were forcefully born into. Yet you willingly endure this, despite your gift of self awareness.
I think humans have developed enough self awareness to build societies, language, art. But not enough to understand what the implications of their existence really means. The more time you waste, the more you let the horror go on.
4DQSAR
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To paraphrase Boethius
It's my belief that existance is a wheel. "Inconsistency is my very essence" -says the wheel- "Rise up on my spokes if you like, but don't complain when you are cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it is also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away".
Chemicals offer entertainment, insight and diversion but they are also mutable.
At no point have I ever suggested you not use, only that long experience has shown that at best, you merely adjust how and when the tragedies and hopes occur, but to no net gain over the longer term.
It's my belief that existance is a wheel. "Inconsistency is my very essence" -says the wheel- "Rise up on my spokes if you like, but don't complain when you are cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it is also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing away".
Chemicals offer entertainment, insight and diversion but they are also mutable.
At no point have I ever suggested you not use, only that long experience has shown that at best, you merely adjust how and when the tragedies and hopes occur, but to no net gain over the longer term.
Didgital
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I think thats why everyone is a little worried.
I was gonna say the same as @4DQSAR
"Slow down"
Taking drugs by themselves can cause problems. Taking drug combinations can be even worse. Taking drug combinations that have very little research or anecdotal experience... well... you are in somewhat uncharted territory.
No one is telling you not to explore. We just don't want to see anyone get hurt.
chris_p
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Nobody was around to convince Shulgin when he was sticking all those chemicals in his body, and well, he lived about the life as any other man. I'm sure if harm reduction culture was around back then they'd be chanting their worries all the same about the unknowns. Maybe he was just lucky, maybe I'm just lucky, but we exist in a world of perpetual unknowns where anything can happen anytime. Seeking stability is fairly meaningless when it all falls apart in the end. Obsession with duration over content is not something I really understand very well. The universe is a book being written forever, no use stretching the pages out blankly...
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Just maybe Shulgin had a scientific education so carefully studied the possible risks of each novel compound. He certainly titrated up from tiny doses and abandoned quite a few compounds BECAUSE he was concerned about toxicity. He also avoided polydrug use and he certainly considered the comedown and after effects important to record.
If you read his books you will note that there were long gaps between the exploration of each new compound. After all, when MDMA became huge and he was put into the spotlight, he was the one who stated not more than 1.5mg/Kg bodyweight not more than once every 6 weeks. He was part of MDMA HR! Also, he took it slowly so he survived.
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Didgital
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I've used mescaline as an extracted acetate salt that fit into a single gel cap, and as straight peyote,
Your way of thinking doesn't sound unfamiliar. Lots of people have passed through this forum and others like it with similar mindsets. Some of them move on, some are still around but changed their outlook while some got unlucky with their own insatiable curiosity and lack of impulse control and aren't around anymore as a result.
Being something of an amateur psychonaut with an obsession with erowid but none of the restraint needed to keep myself safe there's a good chance I would have been in that last group myself if 15 years ago I'd had the kind of easy access to drugs you currently enjoy.
Nobody here wants to see something happen to you, or anyone. The entire purpose of this community is to prevent people like you (and me) from getting themselves hurt. Anybody could tell from your recent post history that the collective concern on display here can't be entirely misplaced. You've already gotten lucky a couple of times in the last couple of months when you easily could have died and by your own account you've had a few other near misses in the past too. It's hard not to worry.
I'm not encouraging abstinence or anything like that. I take drugs almost every day and psychedelics at least once a week, but there is so much to explore without throwing caution to the wind with potentially fatal combos and unweighed megadoses of drugs you're barely familiar with.
Shulgin lived to be 88. He was 66 when he published PiHKAL. It was because he lived such a long and full life that he went on to become such an icon in this space, and it was because he was careful and methodical in his work that he was able to achieve that, not because he was lucky. You have been lucky so far despite taking some enormous risks, but that isn't much of a long term career plan. Life doesn't have to be about duration over content it can be both. if it couldn't, well, everybody here would be agreeing with you.
I'd love to still be reading your trip reports in a few years. I hope you enjoyed your mescaline, it really is a wonderful substance. You'll have to try it with acid sometime. That's a really special combo.
Nobody likes a nag so I won't get on you about this again. Look after yourself mate. Or give it your best shot at least
chris_p
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Thanks man, yeah I do totally understand, and I try to make my use now more reasonable on standards with whats considered safe use
The come-up effects are really great and super unique compared to most psychedelics, the long trail it leads definitely somewhat limits its use as fully recreational compared to some other drugs I've noticed.. next time I will do 800hcl for the full experience. I noticed it lacked aspects of some psychedelics, at least as the dose I was using, such as deep introspection, the entire experience felt very 'exterior' and stimulating. Definitely has strong potential with combination, possibly tryptamines
The come-up effects are really great and super unique compared to most psychedelics, the long trail it leads definitely somewhat limits its use as fully recreational compared to some other drugs I've noticed.. next time I will do 800hcl for the full experience. I noticed it lacked aspects of some psychedelics, at least as the dose I was using, such as deep introspection, the entire experience felt very 'exterior' and stimulating. Definitely has strong potential with combination, possibly tryptamines