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About that Sigma...

synchrojet

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Plateau Sigma. Here it was. The aqua spider greeted me at the neon pillars. I could still function. Still think. But I could also see. As in things I didn't see before. I'd experienced spherical vision in other trips with other compounds. Salvia/GHB or DMT/GHB usually induces spherical vision. This wasn't spherical vision. This was extra sensory vision. I could see gravity. I could see the color of the days. I could see sickness on a person. I could diagnose. But the most alarming fact was that I felt stone cold sober. I felt a sober I'd never felt before. I could talk, walk, drive, whatever. I didn't drive, as I never drive under the influence of anything, regardless of how I feel. I felt meth-capable. I could calculate with speed and precision beyond my intellect. I understood high math. I saw it all. I saw the original nothing. The Void. Zed zero zip. I saw it divide itself and replicate in the ratio of the golden mean, giving rise to the sacred geometry. I watched Plato's solids morph through Metatron's cube and continue replicating and producing in accordance with Phi embedded in the Mendlbrot fractal set, eventually yielding a man's body, Christ's body, which was then nailed on the cross, the symbol for Phi goddammit! as a representative symbol suggesting that life emerges when we reduce to zero and divide and give of ourselves. I realized that 0/0=1 is a true mathematical statement proving the existence of God when we recognize what zero is, and see the equation as spherical and living. I realized all information is alive. I saw the Living Word and uttered the first syllable. Life changing? Yeah. You could say that.
 
Dividing by zero is not a legitimate operation and 0/0 does not equal one, it equals any value.

Anyway that's not the subject is it ;)
Am I to assume it was DXM that brought you to plateau sigma? How did you do it and what makes you think it was not just an extremely intense trip? The things you described very much remind me of things I experienced on high dose acid as well.
 
Retrospective musings on intense psychedelic experiences are kind of a double-edged sword. Sometimes, you experience legitimate insights, other times, you get these nonsensical ramblings that are more representative of psychosis (which is what sigma is, really, temporary psychosis). It's usually best to run these thoughts by an objective party so that you don't continue to muse upon them by yourself, which can cause them to manifest as a negative thought loop and possible mental illness. I hope you recognize the outlandishness of some of the things you mentioned and aren't falling victim to your own drug-induced delusions. I had a friend who was once so convinced that some of the crazy things he thought up while under the influence that he became depressed, reclusive, and generally crazy. He got over it eventually, but it was not a pleasant experience, to say the least.

I'm also interested in your method of obtaining sigma: if you followed the general dosing schedule or just took a large amount all at once.

Be safe.
 
I don't think a large amount at once works unless maybe the dose is irresponsibly high (the whole sigma dosing schedule is not responsible wouldn't you agree?), extended exposure to the DXM seems to be what changes the affinity more towards sigma. I think DMT and PCP also affect sigma, and yes there is something apparently psychotomimetic about it much more so than how general psychedelia is sometimes equaled to psychotomimicry.

About the understanding higher mathematics and all those sorts of things, I definitely know the feeling but I am also skeptical about it even while it is happening. I don't think you could actually apply any of it, it's just the stream of all information coming together unprocessed or something like that.

Sigma seems to apply to your sense of reality construction on a very metaphysical level. So tinkering with that could indeed make it seem like you get deep insights into that or even change the fundamental laws of your own reality construct (I don't mean consensus reality).

Confusing the map with the territory on this fundamental level seems to be what feeds delusions.

and (also note to mods in case I dont get around to it), at some point prepare to merge with this DXM Sigma Subthread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=239376
 
Dividing by zero is not a legitimate operation and 0/0 does not equal one, it equals any value.
....The things you described very much remind me of things I experienced on high dose acid as well.

well it seems like he's on some conceptual tip where infinity and zero are equivalent some how...

and does not (lim x->∞)/(lim x->∞) = 1 ?

sounds like a fun trip, is all i'm saying really...and a valid concept even if impossible given classical mathematics. I'm guessing none of us read scholarly articles on theoretical math tho.

I thought i really understood how energy and matter were related the first time i ate mushrooms... wish i could remember that a little more clearly =D !
and mmmmmmm.... i clearly need more acid in my life <3<3<3
 
and does not (lim x->∞)/(lim x->∞) = 1 ?

Well 0/0 (the numbers not a function) is undefined.

(lim x->∞)/(lim x->∞) = 1 ?

It depends on what the functions are, if you're looking at f(x)/g(x) as x>∞ and
a) f(x)=x, g(x)=x then the limit = 1.
b) f(x)=x, g(x)=x^2 then the limit = ∞

It all depends on the approach as x increases indefinitely or nears 0.
 
^^calculus flashback
(triggering mushroom flashback from tripping in calculus class..)

like whoa man... :D
seems logical though, from my hazy recollection of mathematical principle.
 
First things first. As far as the math goes, I'm studied. I graduated Navy nuclear school with honors. I know what I'm talking about. The zero thing is really interesting. The above poster nailed it when he said that I was flirting with zero equals infinity. Precisely. Indeed, I have submitted a paper on just this theme as a result of this (this event was a few months ago). Jean Paul Sarte once said that the imagination is the ability to imagine what is not. Well, I sort of reworked that into imagining what "not" is. For you mathmeticians out there I'll start you off here: Its a set theory argument. Start with the set of all numbers. That set describes all quantites (given that an integer is a descriptive term for quantity). That set contains zero. Therefore the set describes nothing. If it describes nothing and all quantity simultaneously...

As for the apparent paradox of no quantity greater than one...think of the set as a living process. Living information (don't start up with drug psychosis here, information theory is already strongly suggesting that this is the case). If you understand quantifying integers to be simply a stoppage of process, then you can begin to fathom how all stopped quantity (matter) is less than one (all matter, or all energy.) I don't want this to deteriorate into a physics ramble. All I'm doing is pointing out that I'm not just a guy who suddenly tripped out about numbers. Read my posts. I've done plenty of trips. Plenty. I know ego death. I know spherical vision. I know psychosis. I understand the parallels. This was a different thing entirely.

Now, as to the method of getting there. In broad strokes, it was a combination of particular diet/fasting/meditation/redosing with the definite objective of breaking through a final barrier. It was, in short, premeditated in that regard. But I'd done a few sigma trips before. Meaning I'd banged my sigma receptors with low dose DXM repeatedly over a period of days and gotten to that place. Some of you know what I'm talking about. It simply isn't reachable with one dose. I've tried, believe me. And I damn near killed myself with a massive (1100mg) dose of Zicam with a liter of white grapefruit juice. A DXM overdose is about the worst thing someone exploring these things can experience, at least it was for me. I've read reports on here of people doing 1200mg doses at once of DXM. Either their livers aren't processing the drug the same way or they're lying, simple as that. DXM in big doses is harder than acid or shrooms in big doses. I know this is all subjective, but experience (true experience, not the fantastic tales of vicarious wishful thinking you get on here sometimes) is it's own validator, and has no substitute. It only takes one 1500 mic acid trip or 15 gram shroom trip to get the picture. These drugs are bigger than me. I don't do those big dose psychedelic trips anymore because once I did them a few times the fact is it only takes a little to get me to that same place now. And that's one of the litmus tests for truth, btw, in my way of reckoning. anyway, back to method. I dosed repeatedly at 300mg per, every few hours over a period of days, until I was there. Once I was there I stayed there for another two days without dosing anything. Sigma this way is no joke. It wasn't like any other drug experience I've ever had, and I've had my share. Do I recommend this? No. DId it hurt me physically? Not that I'm aware of. Indeed, it was one of the most physically pleasing experiences I've ever had (I'm only going to say here that I guaranteed this for myself by adding other pharms to the mix, none of which were psychedelic). But it was pleasurable. All sorts of things happened. But the most significant I already mentioned. It's short and sweet. Psychotic? Okay. But I'm not drooling in a corner or rushing to a drugstore to repeat it. I have a good life, indeed, a better one, for it. So if that's psychosis, count me in.
 
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Very interesting indeed, thanks a lot I will be re-reading this later.
I was not very good at math when I studied chemistry so there you have it.

I didn't think 1100 mg of DXM would be that much of an overkill since it is approx 4 times that of an average trip but I am probably mistaken so don't mind me. Xyrem is GHB though and 1100 mg of that is not that much. But only a detail in your story I guess. :)

You wouldn't by any chance want to share what pharms you used during the sigma trip? Only if it is applicable to harm reduction though, let's not give people the wrong idea.

In all probability you are aware of the irony of the term 'plateau sigma' :D considering your math theorem.
 
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@solipsis - sure. But you have to promise not to laugh. I used loperamide, oxycodone and hydrocodone. Remember I'd fasted beforehand. Took a few laxatives and vitamins, the usual to keep steady. Last meal was fresh carrots, broccoli, cauli. A veg medley. Normal amount of purified water. White grapefruit juice in copious quantity the days prior and the day starting. I've discovered that a certain dosage of loperamide (48mg) taken in conjunction with DXM will drastically potentiate the effects of oxy and hydro. So the doses were very small on the oxy and hydro, namely, half of a thirty milligram roxicet snorted at the first onset of the second 300mg dose of DXM. I had one ten milligram hydro for later, a yellow norco to put a fine point on it. So you gotta factor in the 350 APAP if you want the particulars. Anyway, I crushed the other half of the roxi and divided it into three little lines. I did them with every other DXM dose of 300mg. I had the norco for the comedown (DXM leaves me a bit achey sometimes) and there you have it. All in all truly blissful. Way, way better than heroin. Difficult in many regards, but the long trips always are. I might write up a trip report, I might not. I still haven't fully internalized the experience. It was the first acid trip, the first MDMA hit, the first cocaine rush all in one. I wouldn't put it up here if it wasn't. What's the point? Some folks I don't know see that I took some drugs? It was significant.

About the xyrem - I meant Zicam. In my experience Zicam is the most intense OTC DXM. Why? Beats me. DXM is DXM, right? But then again, DXM is DXM ;)
 
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