Abortion ?

[stu411]

Q Is it ok to Terminate our unborn ? . Even Just asking this question puts me in a state of Bewilderment,

I am bewildered because there are so many people who answer , " sometimes "

Some will say, Given various circumstances, they 100% accept abortion
Some will say under certain conditions they believe its right to do
some will have just one curcumstance that makes abortion acceptable -

None will Ever say " Abortion is the ok"

Human Beings can not accept Abortion without a Circumstance

Lets add 5 weeks old as a circumstance

5 week old Abortion is Ok -----------------not just------------ Abortion Ok


We add a circumstance so we can Accept the Abortion
With no circumstance we can not accept it

example: If mum and Dad are Addicts then abortion is ok -- never just--- Abortion is Ok

To understand how this Adding or not Adding effects our mind , Its Important to firstly feel before we Add


put in a little time below it is possible to feel more than we have ever felt
next few lines Will Cause Emotion , just Remember to Feel it


You must Accept responsibility for Abortion and you must Experience Abortion from the Innocents Life's perspective
Now, Slow Down relax Read very slowly and understand / Visualize to Feel / the word "possession" refers to the womb, baby feels he owns it,


For ever unborn .. we took your First Right ...... We took your Possession ... Then Cast you Aside ........"Mummy"........wheres... my ..Womb.. Gone".. "Im cold over here" .............. slowly to silence ........... There's no one to care


Don't go any further until you at least feel a lump in your throat. .Tears would be better.. read it slow and understand and visualize what's happening , the most important bit is to feel the emotion expressed through the words, of the child .. . and the word possession refers to the womb, It was the only thing they owned and some one took it . . now go try again





The abortion We just Experienced is not Acceptable ----- first hand perspective, just you and the babys













From this point on The----- Human Creation at Point on Conception......... Believe is used..
If you would like to place Creation, after point of Conception then----------------------------------------------> Get Out


Sorry need a break, will conclude soon

 

[Bearlove]

Your assuming that there is part of an abortion that I am not comfortable with by your post.

With most things that are happening to somebody else we apply conditions and what we perceive to be acceptable for us.

Assuming that the unborn fetus is at serious risk from drug use, is an unwanted baby due to the mother being raped, being the choice of abort the fetus to save the mother etc I can understand the reasoning behind why the mother would chose to abort the fetus.

As a form of birth control/picking the sex of the child/revenge etc then I cannot understand the reasoning behind why the mother would abort the fetus.

Who says what I can and cannot accept? You?

Do you accept abortion 100% all abortions are equal ?

Bear

 

[gmlifer]

Personally I'm ok with abortion. The world is populated enough as it is.

 

[spacejunk]

Likewise. Not my place to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies.

 

[stu411]

Hi. thanks for the reply , very much appreciated

Inclusions below of the word "you" should be taken as a Group representative , unless otherwise stated ,ty

I am not assuming that there is part of abortion you are not comfortable with, I know there is a part of abortion you are not comfortable with
.
So following on from the first post

You have conditionally achieved acceptance , to then feel comfort, be comfortable with your acceptance , A full detachment from the original discomfort has to be achieved

thank you bear for bringing an emotion , these are our only truths ,we all share , they can not lie , but they can be ignored,



"MALE EMOTION REASONING "
The concept of killing our young creates emotions of discomfort >these emotions want to be expressed >(this is where conscious thought kicks in) emotions need to be expressed with tolerance > conditions are applied to the concept to suppress emotion > conditional acceptance is achieved> Expression of acceptance is achieved >Expression of emotion supressed >

So after that

feelings of discomfort are unresolved , so a final detachment from the emotion is finally created , comfort is taken in handing over responsibly , and finally burying the Emotion

I can understand the reasoning behind why the mother would chose to abort the fetus.

Who says what I can and cannot accept? You?

Bear

It doesn't matter what you accept, its what you feel

all abortions are Equal

 

[stu411]

Likewise. Not my place to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies.

self resolved of responsibility , comfort achieved

 

[stu411]

Personally I'm ok with abortion. The world is populated enough as it is.

whats your feeling on the complete removal of the entire human race from the planet?

 

[gmlifer]

whats your feeling on the complete removal of the entire human race from the planet?

I don't see how that's relevant. To answer your question, we are all going to die someday and I'm fairly certain if we were dead we just wouldn't care who is left on earth and who isn't.

Would I volunteer to give my life, that's a big fat no.

 

[Bearlove]

It doesn't matter what you accept, its what you feel

all abortions are Equal

Again are you asking me if all abortions are equal or are you telling me that you feel all abortions are equal?

I do not feel that all abortions are equal. If a person was to abort a child to save her life is not the same as somebody who wants to abort a child that was conceived during a rape which is very different to somebody who only wants a son / daughter.

The end result is the same but how I feel about them is very different.

I disagree with my acceptance on a matter means a full detachment from my original discomfort. Am I uncomfortable with abortion - yes , do I accept that in certain circumstances it is a viable option - yes.

Your statement of killing of 'our young creates emotions of discomfort' - 'my' young conjure up a very different feeling than 'your' young though. When your talking about abortions your also crossing the barrier of what is mine/yours - if you raped my wife and got her pregnant I would not feel the emotional attachment to the fetus as I would with my own. Could I abort it - yes, would it hurt me that I have to had abort a life - yes, would I feel the same way that if I had to abort my own unborn child - no.

 

[spacejunk]

self resolved of responsibility , comfort achieved

As i have stated in a thread that has veered into the same topic at the moment - the human body terminates a great percentage of pregnancies anyway.

As far as my responsibility goes, that is to support any woman i am intimately involved with (one way or another) - and to any child (note: child not unborn foetus) that i happen to concieve.

Outside of that, abortions happen - it's not something to celebrate, but i am thankful to live in a country that allows women the choice to do have these sorts of procedures carried out safely, and not by backyard abortionists and the like.

 

[stu411]

I don't see how that's relevant. To answer your question, we are all going to die someday and I'm fairly certain if we were dead we just wouldn't care who is left on earth and who isn't.

Would I volunteer to give my life, that's a big fat no.

so your saying, your fine with human extinction , as long as it happens after your dead,, do you have a time limit on this,, for example would you be ok if it happened 10 minutes ,, after your death..


it is relevant , to original topic

 

[spacejunk]

Of course i'm ok with human extinction - which has so much to do with abortion.

Yeah, i've said all i'm going to say on the topic - you're not interested in hearing opposing views, clearly.

 

[stu411]

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[stu411]

Of course i'm ok with human extinction -.

its fine, you win , actually quite impressive , you are completely resolved of all and any responsibility relating to the human race from now and forever after ,


and you've unlocked access to this song, the starting dialogue is a conversation between , a father and an aborted foetus

now go forth and try not to multiply







Actually wait ,, whats this , its shown signs humanity

(note: child not unborn foetus) that i happen to concieve.

.

This bit is very interesting , this suggests, you have assigned a time limit to parental responsibility , Do you have specific gestation period in mind , or could it vary according to Daddys afternoon naps?

 

[stu411]

. If a person was to abort a child to save her life.

This is in the realms of mythology and should certainly not be used as a emotional conditioner


if a mother was told by her doctor, or in a more likely case the father may have to make the decision due to the mother being unconscious, either way if this was a reason used by medics to abort, it is un-provable, infact I believe it has been disproved to be of any assistance to the mother, I believe it has been proved to more likely kill the mother .




and my view on abortion are 100%
I still hold responsibility for it

 

[apatheist]

It's about bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to compel anyone else to use their body to gestate a fetus. How the fetus was conceived is irrelevant.

 

[gmlifer]

so your saying, your fine with human extinction , as long as it happens after your dead,, do you have a time limit on this,, for example would you be ok if it happened 10 minutes ,, after your death..


it is relevant , to original topic

Yes, in ten minutes is fine. Just imagine all the pain and suffering being forever finished. Sounds blissful.

 

[stu411]

It's about bodily autonomy. Nobody has the right to compel anyone else to use their body to gestate a fetus. How the fetus was conceived is irrelevant.

Body autonomy argument is based on " Giving not being better than receiving", but we have been told and Felt that " Giving can be better than receiving".

bodily autonomy argument comes from a competitive stand point - it does not come From a corroborative stand point ,

The body autonomy corpses have more rights argument is flawed, as it uses law not Love to state the point

Bodily autonomy based argument is a secondary argument , you will do better to claim the right over your mind before claiming your body,

 

[apatheist]

Body autonomy argument is based on " Giving not being better than receiving", but we have been told and Felt that " Giving can be better than receiving".

bodily autonomy argument comes from a competitive stand point - it does not come From a corroborative stand point ,

The body autonomy corpses have more rights argument is flawed, as it uses law not Love to state the point

Bodily autonomy based argument is a secondary argument , you will do better to claim the right over your mind before claiming your body,

This is gibberish.

Bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right. You can't have any sort of free society if people don't have a say over how their bodies are used.

The mind is a function of the body.

You are free to base your own personal moral code on whatever you want, and you are free to not have an abortion if you think it's wrong. If you want to reduce the likelihood that others will need abortion care, the way to do this is by supporting accurate sex education and the availability of contraception.

 

[stu411]

The end result is the same but how I feel about them is very different.
. Am I uncomfortable with abortion - yes , do I accept that in certain circumstances it is a viable option - yes.

. Could I abort it - yes, would it hurt me that I have to had abort a life - yes, would I feel the same way that if I had to abort my own unborn child - no.

Ok, I can see your coming from quite a strong position, backed by solid believe , the strength of believe you hold for your acceptance depends entirely on these circumstances, you have mentioned , These circumstance's you mention they are ofcourse the foundations of your belive

if you would be so kind , to post you most solid senario of a situation that you feel warrants abortion as a viable option , i would in turn attempt to show a more acceptable method


save mums life argument , is un-provable at best,