RCs AB PINACA BAD NEWS!!!!! SYNTH CANNABIS TRAINWRECK twice in one week

[slapshox]

So i had received 1Gram of AB-PINACA , With weeks of research and no info on the dose , i tried vaping a tiny amount of powder . It got me blazed with a strong head rush the smoke was bearable but disgusting only needed a TINY TINY amount of smoke for a full blown head rush . Before the dose of ab pinaca i had taken 25i and it brought back alot of the visual disturbances but the high was horibble , you feel really evil and it feels REALLY synthetic like you feel like a evil scientist going crazy (I REALLY dont know how to explain it any better) . So i had thought this could have some potential .

The next time i tried it was a small tiny powder after a 25i trip . I had put a tiny amount of powder in my weed mix , before smoking i had my lights dimmed and laptop was playing "how i met you mother" , After smoking the bong hit OH GOD ! WORST MISTAKE EVER . I BECAME REALLY CONFUSED . I was trying really hard to find out the time i became VERY PARANOID . I had no visuals no high whatsoever just MASSIVE CONFUSION . I Knew what i wanted to do but i could not , i could not even find the Time tab in the corner of my screen when it was right infront of me .Then I was trying to shut "how i met your mother" at that point my panic was making the VOICES SEEM WIERD AND REALLY REALLY LOUD IT WAS SCARY , IM GETTING GOOSEBUMPS just thinking about it .
So i din't know what to do it was 5am in the morning i opened my room door and SCREAMED FOR HELP my sister was in the upstairs bedroom and my mom was in the next bedroom both came rushing for my aid . And my mom started crying when she found out i was high on chemicals . I WAS STILL REALLY CONFUSED , i am very close to my sister so i was trying to explain to my sister what i took but WORDS were not coming out of my mouth it felt really hard to think of something in my brain as i would get my chain of thought i would forgot it next second and go in loops trying to tell my sister "So this is how it went " "one sec" "fuck i forgot let me think" "So this is what happened" "wait i forgot" " One sec " I kept explaining and looping in circles for 10 minutes at that point it felt like my sister was infront of me but she was not and i had to ask her " Are you still there ?" and then she replied "Yes i am " Which calmed me down at first i thought i was talking to a empty body IT FELT WIERD . Then around 20-30 minute mark , i felt calmer and the effects had faded but left me with a slight light perception everything seemed much brighter . And slowly i regained my words .

Second Experience WAS HORRIBLE .
I had recieved a free sample blend of ULTRA SPICY XXX BLEND Formula 4C 400mg from a website .
It had a tea smell to it with a hint of blueberry . So it was around 1pm and i had recieved an envelope and inside was the blend .
I was excited and proceeded to my room and grinded the stuff i took 1 third of the leaves in the baggy and mixed it with a bit of baccy . And took my bong hit as i took iti my whole body felt wierd almost like i was going to cramp up everywhere , I started speaking to my self "WHAT HAVE I DONE WHAT HAVE I DONE WHAT HAVE I DONE " I went to look at myself in the mirror i FELT DISGUSTED , and i thought to myself HOW WILL I FACE MY MOM , I SWEAR I THOUGHT I HAD SMOKED DATURA even though i dont know what datura feels like the fear was there . I Thought i would never come down and the high would last 3 days i felt really wierd , i really believed i smoked DATURA i was panicking ,
IT WAS UNCONTROABLE and the fear was exactly like the time i had smoked ab pinaca . Although this time i felt really high and PUKED ALL OVER MY ROOM and had to rush to call my sister for help and she calmed me down . I HAD SCREAMED HOSPITAL HOSPITAL HOSPITAL . I thought i was going to die , This time i really thought i needed to go hospital , normally how bad i feel i would NEVER choose to go to the hospital but this time i volunteered . But my sister is a really good trip sitter so she calmed me down within minutes and i was completely fine and dint feel the need to go anymore .

Since then i don't feel the same , I get this wierd evil disgusting blank thoughts randomly . It gets triggered maybe after i hear a sentence i have heard before , or when i look at a part of my room i remember most of while tripping , or at night when i stare at the darkness . Many more times and it seems very noticable for me its hard to explain though . And also i have been having MASSIVE ANGER ISSUES , I have been roaring when im angry , literally like a mad person . Like those you see high on crack and running after someone with a knife . I have full consiousness and i know i would never harm anyone but i just couldnt control my words . I said the most horrible things to some close people i know . I was fully aware of it when it was happening but i just couldnt stop , i wanted to but i felt really angry not violent though just massive anger .

I don't know maybe the anger has to do with 25i or maybe synths but i would recommend EVERYONE to stay away from synths no matter how safe you think they are . They could be safe but the experiences just not worthed in my opinion .

Stay safe everyone , Just wanted to share my experiences .

 

[speedballs_over]

If you're concerned you might act out in any way whatsoever then please see a psychiatrist (M.D.) immediately and be 100% honest with them.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

I recommend a good, non-religiously affiliated, non-judgmental therapist for help with the emotional fallout. A psych might be able to help too, but it sounds like you could benefit from some cognitive therapy (CBT) but maybe not more drugs like SSRIs or anti-psychotics - although if your symptoms worsen anti-psychs may be indicated. If I were you I would seek out a cognitive behavioral therapist with some experience in treating people with traumatic events as triggers for cognitive problems (in essence a PTSD therapist).

At your age it could be difficult to get the treatment you really need as meddling adults may try to steer you in a different direction (e.g. rehab - which will do you little to no good for the symptoms you describe and could aggravate them due to the stress of being where you don't want to be) Try to "trade" re-hab for seeing a CBT once/twice a week if it comes to that.

This could be PTSD or something similar, and/or an emerging psychosis. At your (apparent) age emerging psychoses happen more frequently (18 - 26 yrs old roughly) than at younger/older ages. Or maybe it's just tremendous guilt getting at you.

Cannabis may now be a trigger of sorts for disordered thinking, be very cautious when using cannabis or any other psychoactive substance, and imo, best to stay away altogether.

Do you suffer anxiety as an every day event both b/f the bad experiences and now? If so remember to mention this to any care provides you see as this is an important factor for them to consider.

I kindly suggest that you get it sorted out for the safety of yourself and your community. Best wishes.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

A lot of people lose their shit on ab pinaca alone. Some of these potent ass synth-noids go well with psychs in low doses but you should always try them on their own for your first time. Mixing it with 25-i(which has killed several people on its own) is asking for trouble. Glad to hear that you're mostly ok as things could have gone way worse. I also learned the hard way that synth noids and bongs can make for bad time. IME the side effects cause by a cannabinoid overdose last a month or two tops, abstaining from most drugs in general really speeds up the process.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I will never understand why people do these RC's.......they have messed up many peoples brains & people go psycho on them & we don't know what's in most of this crap.......have a cousin that use to smoke that spice crap & he would zone out & look at the wall while everyone else was watching TV & laughing tokin real weed.......he was in another world & would freak out at the smallest thing sometimes.

Stick to what's been tried & proven for thousands of years........

 

[slapshox]

If you're concerned you might act out in any way whatsoever then please see a psychiatrist (M.D.) immediately and be 100% honest with them.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

I recommend a good, non-religiously affiliated, non-judgmental therapist for help with the emotional fallout. A psych might be able to help too, but it sounds like you could benefit from some cognitive therapy (CBT) but maybe not more drugs like SSRIs or anti-psychotics - although if your symptoms worsen anti-psychs may be indicated. If I were you I would seek out a cognitive behavioral therapist with some experience in treating people with traumatic events as triggers for cognitive problems (in essence a PTSD therapist).

At your age it could be difficult to get the treatment you really need as meddling adults may try to steer you in a different direction (e.g. rehab - which will do you little to no good for the symptoms you describe and could aggravate them due to the stress of being where you don't want to be) Try to "trade" re-hab for seeing a CBT once/twice a week if it comes to that.

This could be PTSD or something similar, and/or an emerging psychosis. At your (apparent) age emerging psychoses happen more frequently (18 - 26 yrs old roughly) than at younger/older ages. Or maybe it's just tremendous guilt getting at you.

Cannabis may now be a trigger of sorts for disordered thinking, be very cautious when using cannabis or any other psychoactive substance, and imo, best to stay away altogether.

Do you suffer anxiety as an every day event both b/f the bad experiences and now? If so remember to mention this to any care provides you see as this is an important factor for them to consider.

I kindly suggest that you get it sorted out for the safety of yourself and your community. Best wishes.

Yes i have SEVERE Guilt and i suffer anxiety on an everyday basis .
The first thing i feel when i wake up is GUILT and when ever i am about to go out i start getting butterflies in my stomach and having stomach problems i hate this feeling .
I have done alot of bad things to my family and the guilt doesn't fade away since i smoke weed and they are against me smoking weed .
AND yes they want me to go rehab . My mom knows everything . And i cant myself imagine going to rehab .
I am starting university tomorrow . First year first day . I am hoping by socializing my anxiety will fade . And with more friends i will not be as depressed . I am guilty because i am a stoner doing nothing all day and still asking money from his parents . So when i go college i will be living on my own and i know my guilt will go away once i start mending my ways . Its scary because i have forgotten the last time i was in silence . I ALWAYS HAVE Southpark or family guy open all the time as a sound of comfort and company . I dont take any meds or any anti depressants , and i have stopped alcohol recently . Although i smoke alot of weed and do benzo once in a while maybe dxm aswell but i am clean off most hard drugs like METH or Tramadol Dimenhydrinate etc . I take alot of vitamins including Inositol (Weak Maoi) and St john wort . I have stopped st john wort now since it wasn't helping . I took it for a whole month and stopped it abruptly . This guilt has been going on since my meth abuse 6 years ago . It has gotten worst since then . I have stopped meth and i know time and exercise will heal . But i don't want to take any medications that might make me dull in the future or change my brain chemistry anymore .
I don't know will going to university work . But i don't like the idea that all doctors in my country treat every pateint with anti psychotics and anti abuses . I want a long term medicine that will work and make me a happy person when i wake up and not have much side effects long term . Maybe zoloft ? or daily benzo use ? i don't know what to do .
I don't know where to find a CBT in thailand . I will try to research it . Thanks for your response ! .

 

[speedballs_over]

You have to get that guilt under control, glad you're onto that. 12-step groups, AA, NA etc... are going to reinforce your guilt terribly, imo. I'd steer clear of them... Try to find a compassionate counselor or elder who you can talk to and be completely honest with - someone who will keep your confidence and let you tell your story and work on ways to improve your thinking.

I'd suggest buddhism (my therapist here in the US is from the buddhist tradition) but you're in Thailand so you very likely know about that as an approach to emotional healing better than me. I found meditation very helpful when I was dealing with the guilt fallout form a decade of heroin addiction.

Best wishes, it will be rough at times, but also liberating. Going to college is a mix of wonders, some great and some not so comfortable.

Be kind to yourself!

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[dankplantgrower]

Id try to stay away from even the weed. A lot of people who abused psychs to the point of HPPD or MDMA to the point of breakdowns report that even something as benign as weed is harmful, even caffeine and tobacco. Might be time to sober up until you can sort things out a little bit. I know sobriety is worse than a 4-letter word but your mental health is waaay more important than a weed buzz. I think its time for you to drop everything youre taking and let your body heal naturally. Eventually many of the worst of the worst MDMA/HPPD horror stories resolve themselves once te person has been naturally sober and let their brains do their thing.

Sorry it had to happen to you like this and I was scared for you just reading this story but Id call your sister (and probably your mom)and tell them how much you appreciate them and love them while they were so patient with you during times as dark as those. I hope youve learned your lesson and personally youve taught ME a lesson about fucking with these RCs. Hang in tere bud, Id suggest a long period of sobriety to let your brain sort itself out after youve shocked the shit out of it with these chemicals. Shoot me a PM if you ever need to talk Ive been on this forum all hours as of late. Stay safe.

 

[Stotched]

When I got out of jail, I had to go 6 months without smoking weed. I got really into the AM-2201, then the AB-PINICA later on. I've had some pretty crazy experiences on it, but never quite lost my shit like that. HOWEVER. My girlfriend at the time really wanted to try it once. She smokes weed every day, so I figured a tiny hit would be fine. She took one tiny hit of less than 1mg, and instantly she was freaking out. She was confused, disoriented, and started screaming. I tried to get her to lay down and get her water, she was convinced I was evil and trying to poison her. When she came to she said she saw a slot machine that told her she was going to die (looking back it sounds very funny, but at the time we were both scared shitless).

I've never seen my girl react this way to any drug. I've had some very scary times on noids, but never anything like what she experienced. She had a full blown trip, not unlike salvia, to the point where she had no idea who or where she was, and became a babbling mess.

The noids aren't for everyone. I really enjoyed them while I was on probation, but many people find them too intense, especially if you're expecting a "stronger weed high" out of it. I'd probably still do the noids again if I had a source, because of the short duration of time. Sometimes I have shit to do at a fast pace, and dont want to show up slow and disfunctional. Noids are perfect, as they last 15-45 minutes at the peak, and I can be back at baseline an hour later, whereas weed has me feeling chilled out all day, even with my massive tolerance.

Noids have their place, just don't expect a "stronger weed" from them.

 

[tricomb]

I will never understand why people do these RC's.......they have messed up many peoples brains & people go psycho on them & we don't know what's in most of this crap.......have a cousin that use to smoke that spice crap & he would zone out & look at the wall while everyone else was watching TV & laughing tokin real weed.......he was in another world & would freak out at the smallest thing sometimes.

Stick to what's been tried & proven for thousands of years........

this

 

[slapshox]

Thanks for all the replies people ! . I am in my university dorm now . Its my first day , Although i am a bit anxious i have some weed and my roommate is away so i have the room to my self tonight . My mom understands that the reason i said all those horrible things were because of the influence of chemicals and she forgives me but i still feel horrible . All she wants is to see me going to class like a normal person and not having to research trying to find way to get spiritual experiences from psychedelics . She just lost her dad last year then her brother and this year her husband and she is staying strong she is very afraid to lose her son , and i understand her . I have been in alot of pressure since dad passed away . I know my mom will be happy if i study hard , but the problem i have is i am so anxious and lost all connection with society that it makes it hard to go to classes and achieve the grades to make myself and my mom happy . Monday is my first class and i will ignore what i feel and just go to class hopefully after going to classes for a few weeks i will get used to it and the social anxiety would decrease . I just don't want any treatment from a rehab or psychiatrist . I have taken way to many meds in the past to handle any more meds . I just want a natural way to treat myself , as i am 21 and i have been using drugs since 16 i think i still have time to repair my brain . I know some parts may be damaged permanently and i am ready to accept that and make the best out of what i am now . All i need though for my anxiety is company from cartoons whenever i am alone and some weed . I have stopped alcohol and all other drugs . But i wonder if this is a bad way to get through my anxiety as my mom suggested this could be a way of escaping my anxiety and i would still be feeling this way 10 years from now if i don't deal with it . But i don't know how to deal with it . I get so anxious as soon as i am in silence . How should i start so i don't need to depend on something to keep me happy . Maybe going to classes regularly and meeting new people it might help me with the anxiety i feel .

I have forgotten how it feels to be happy or excited . I never overdid it though , the most i ever took of any drugs was the time i smoked 500-1g of meth bymyself and i never really smoked everyday it was only few times a week with sometimes 1-2months gap of only weed and sometimes gap of only alcohol but every month i did abuse something different like Dxm then the next would be xanax then next would be tramadol then next would be meth then next would be codiene then next would be etc etc ...
And since 6-7 months i have been using only meth once a month at 25mg doses each time . With a few xanax and 25i nbome trips and around 3 times with synths .

If i only stick to low dose of THC maybe two three bong hits a day for anxiety for that still be a bad idea ? .
No alcohol , no pharms , no anti depressants , no meth , no benzo's or other recreational drugs ONLY thc not even tobacco .
Could i still win the anxiety if i stick to a routine , eat healthy , go to classes regularly , stay clean , socialize more , be arounds friends more , drink occasionally ?
If i see improvements in my life and start to see my mom happy which would slowly help me overcome my guilt and i see my health recovering maybe i really won't need any meds or psychiatrist ? maybe i can heal myself naturally ?

Any suggestions ?

 

[Stotched]

Hey man, please try getting clean for yourself, and your family. Try only smoking once a month while you start college, until you see how bad the coursework is going to be. I had a full scholarship to Arizona State, and lost it because I smoked weed every day, and generally stopped giving a fuck, and moved on to opiates. I eventually dropped out, because being a junkie is a full time job. Had to move back in with moms, and didnt get back on my feet until I was almost 30 years old. Now I'm doing fine, and have a degree from a small community college, but if I could go back I would have slowed up on the drug usage, and taken advantage of college.

A lot of people on here are going to tell you to keep using drugs, or that you can handle it. Fuck that. You sound a lot like me, and you have a lot going for you. I felt the same way as you. Guilty all the times I used. Every minute high, was a minute spent feeling guilty about how moms didnt raise me to be like this. Take advantage of college, and try not to use too often. I know it's easier said than done, but trust me when you have that much going for you, it's better to just try and ride it out.

I'm not saying it'll affect you as bad as me, or that you have no self control, but college is going to set you up for the rest of your life. Why not get your degree and get a nice job, and when you are financially set, you can do all the drugs you want? If you're going to continue using, please limit it to once or twice a week. Everyone talks about how they knew a guy who smoked weed before all his classes, and got straight A's. I'm convinced that shits a myth, weed is terrible for school, especially if you have a math or science major that requires a lot of quick thinking.

Best of luck dude, I hope I didn't come off harsh, but I don't want to see other people throw their opportunities away because of drugs. You can party anytime, but being in college while you're young is a great thing you dont want to fuck up.

 

[speedballs_over]

I strongly agree with Stotched and dankplant - you've gotten darn good feedback here. I wish I'd had a place like this to converse with people when I was your age (in 1990), keep in touch with us here - we'll be here to read and give feedback when you need it. Going to university was a transition of great magnitude for me, but it went ok - wasn't as bad as I feared - made friends fairly easily compared to high school/on my own. Most every person there, even those who look relaxed, are nervous - they maybe just don't show it.

It sounds like you may have an anxiety disorder. I have "generalized anxiety disorder ("GAD") with panic attacks." I know the hell that is anxiety very, very well. I wouldn't be on this forum if it weren't for the 25 years I spent trying to self-medicate my way out of anxiety. Anxiety is a serious issue that needs serious attention or it can consume you, but it should not be feared.

Then again, your anxiety may resolve as time passes, I really hope that's the case for you but if it isn't then here's my take on where to find relief that is healthy and lasting. Lasting relief from anxiety requires some work, but it is worth every bit of that work.

A few words about alcohol: Two beers is enough to stoke up my anxiety, not while I'm drinking though. Some people may say bullshit when they hear someone say that just two drinks can inflame anxiety. It can. It "hits" me upon waking the next day, even with good sleep. Two, three beers and I will wake up feeling super anxious - sometimes it fades quickly, other times it continues throughout that next day - usually until I exercise. Exercise is essential to the healthy mind, and has the potential to reduce perceptions of anxiety greatly. Exercise is part of my daily anxiety management routine.

A benzo is best used as a tool for effective therapy - so I strongly suggest that you don't self-medicate with xanax, you'll be robbing yourself of the best medicine for use in the future. Using it "recreationally" is most likely also self-medicating, don't confuse the two purposes, they often co-exist. If you take a benzo w/o genuinely addressing your anxiety you'll develop a benzo tolerance that robs you of the full effect of benzos when you most need them, and using them for any length of time it easily becomes a chemical dependency that most agree is worse than that of opiates (ime, they are both horrific to come off of, and to be honest I am dependent upon both today, though they are prescribed and I still see a therapist so they do not disorder my life, - buprenorphine and clonazepam, fwiw)

I agree with you that you don't want to be trying out psych meds, not yet but this must include benzos or other sedative drugs unless/until you're prescribed them and are also addressing the underlying problem(s).

I realize that all the opportunities I've had to seek medical/professional help with my anxiety and substance abuse issues you may not have available, but I wanted to share with you how I would address my anxiety at 18 or 21 if I could go back - it's the only experience I can relate to you. I would avoid 30 years of self-medicating and get with a good therapist and initiate medication along with therapy (that requires seeing both an M.D. and a licensed clinical therapist here in the US). I realize you may not be able to do this, it is an ideal approach. It's what I would want for my child if I had one.

Best wishes. Keep in touch and maybe check out the other forums here that are focused more on helping you deal with these issues and less focused on juicy talk about substance abuse.

Edit to add:

Why have I put so much time into this thread? Because I hear myself when I read what you've written about your anxiety, guilt and substance (ab)use.

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

Yea.synths are just bad..i can understand if u use occasionaly during like probation or somn,if u really have.the urge..ppl don't either remeber or realize these synths act as.full agonist,where as.cannbis only acts as a partial(plz correct me if im wrong on that)..

I currently have ab-fubinac and ab-chminaca..still not sure how much different they are to the one u have..i have only gotten them from a sample pack i received from overseas...along with ethylone,acetyl fent,and 3-cmc which i three away because i dont fuck with weird cathinones like 3cmc...
Stick to the 'erb,more healthy for the body,since i notice that the synths tend.to be a lil hard on the kidneys.and especially better for the mind..