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A thought popped into my head. So if maps goes all well...

cookiemonster420

cookiemonster420

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and psychdelics are revolutionized and lsd is prescribed for migranes (if not that whenever it's prescribed for something). How would they limit the dose to make sure they just take a dose and not just trip out on there meds? Or is it one of those one time things

\/this is strictly a what if scenerio because its probably a reason why the FDA and DEA would never allow anything like this\/

(along with the possibility it's all a load of crap which is why I put for something if not migranes.)
 
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sorry to bust your bubble. but psychedelics are not going to be prescribed for migraines. some tryptamines have been found to help with CLUSTER headaches. But the FDA and DEA will never approve anything that makes you trip.
 
What I'd REALLY like to see is MDMA therapy sessions being prescribed for PTSD.

The cluster headaches thing is cool, but it's only a fraction of the benefit potential of psyches.

And Medical Marijuana being prescribed for all sorts of things.


A little known fact: Many psychedelics are EXTREMELY POTENT anti-inflammatories. Arthritis treatment potentialities abound.

DOI, LSD, DMT, Mescaline, Musrooms and Salvia all have this effect. There may be more.
 
I will only be happy if the use of the psychedelics in medicine is to actually use them as psychedelics, as "super-antidepressants" or whatever you'd like to classify the medical use of tripping as. MDMA for PTSD is the most promising thing I have seen so far... I really hope something materializes of it.
 
cookiemonster420 said:
and psychdelics are revolutionized and lsd is prescribed for migranes (if not that whenever it's prescribed for something). How would they limit the dose to make sure they just take a dose and not just trip out on there meds? Or is it one of those one time things
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If psyches were prescrbed, I magine something like atropine would be included (as it is wth some anti-shitting tablets...) to prevent recreational use.
 
Or will likely include additives that aren't medically necessary, but would discourage abuse by overdosing on the drug to get desired effects. Much like the way DXM preparations are sold.
 
i thought maps long term goals included something along the lines of ibogaine clinics but with other psychedelics as well (such as lsd). not prescribed psychedelics
 
^There was an ad banner on here for awhile about PTSD therapy with MDMA... Not sure if it was MAPS but it sounds like something that they would do.
 
The cluster headache preventing effects of LSD reportedly last months for most sufferers. Therefore, the patients could just be required to visit a hospital to pick up a single dose. If greater than a sub-psychedelic dose was needed, the user could wait out the trip in an empty room or something.
 
swilow said:
If psyches were prescrbed, I magine something like atropine would be included (as it is wth some anti-shitting tablets...) to prevent recreational use.
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That would suck! Then we'd have people having bad trips because they can't poop!

What makes more sense to me is to have monitored sessions involving a substantial dose...
 
the analog is called Bromo-LSD - i saw it on that Nat Geo.. does NOT make you trip and DOES relieve the migraine pain.. it is still illegal though - i would imagine because it takes similar controlled substances to manufacture Bromo-LSD as LSD-25.. so if anything gets legal it will be the Bromo...

i have heard that MDMA definitely has psychiatric potential though.. and remember the UK drug czar says "taking MDMA is safer than horseback riding." so perhaps we get ready for a shift on that front as well as pot..
 
Yea i kid in my psych class was doing a presentation on LSD and brought up "Bromo"....

But yes, i would love to see psychotherapy use of MDMA.

Potentially psychotherapy use of LSD, it has potential to drastically change lives for the better and that should be looked into....

Ibogain should be looked into for addiction therapy treatments.

We are working with drugs that the government kind of fears, all this free thought and everything just can get a little out of hand for them.... And they don't want to deal with the 60's again.... But with responsible limits, why not use these treatments in people who you have tried everything else with?

Guided with the right direction, MDMA, LSD, ibogain, and a good many others have a lot of potential benefit that can be tapped into.

If i had cluster headaches i would just quietly obtain some spores and have enough mushrooms to last for for the next year or so....
 
ford442 said:
the analog is called Bromo-LSD - i saw it on that Nat Geo.. does NOT make you trip and DOES relieve the migraine pain.. it is still illegal though - i would imagine because it takes similar controlled substances to manufacture Bromo-LSD as LSD-25.. so if anything gets legal it will be the Bromo...

i have heard that MDMA definitely has psychiatric potential though.. and remember the UK drug czar says "taking MDMA is safer than horseback riding." so perhaps we get ready for a shift on that front as well as pot..
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That UK drug czar was told to resign because of his views on MDMA and other illegal drugs after he said that LSD, ecstasy and cannabis aren't as bad for society as alcohol and nicotine. He said the UK government had a pre-fabricated agenda and any "independent" researchers that found evidence contrary to their agenda are sacked.

We still have a long ways to go before our governments base their decisions on science and fact rather than lies, superstitions and scare tactics.
 
ford442 said:
the analog is called Bromo-LSD - i saw it on that Nat Geo..
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Yes, I saw that episode of Nat Geo Explorer. Anyone catch that? I thought it was pretty balanced other than they mentioned that anyone buy street acid is putting themselves at risk of bad chemistry, etc. even though in the specific case of LSD, either it's acid or nothing (or RC) so the risk is pretty minimal. All in all, it was a good episode. They showed an acid dealer, "heads", researchers, etc. so they showed different facets. I saw it like 3 times I was so happy to see a positively balanced documentary about LSD =D
 
Delsyd said:
i dont see psychedelic ever being prescribed.

If they become legal to use in medicine i imagine it will be administered by a physician.
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You're right. Even if these things ever get "legalized" it will be a strict schedule II only to be administered during psychotherapy sessions. That's all MAPS wants for the time being anyways. One step at a time.
 
PepperSocks said:
You're right. Even if these things ever get "legalized" it will be a strict schedule II only to be administered during psychotherapy sessions. That's all MAPS wants for the time being anyways. One step at a time.
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Well, if you look back at Leary and Alpert, maybe it'll work out well when given to psychotherapists :)
 
Haha, I think part of it is the difference between now and then. One of the main factors is that those folks aren't involved. ;)

There's an amazing video in the front page article about MAPS. It's an hour long lecture by Rick Doblin and he talks about how important it is to make sure we don't have a revisit to the 60s and the consequent backlash. He talked about Learyesque people being out of the equation.

That and our world is more ready for it now than it was back then. It was too much too fast back then and it all blew up in their faces.
 
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