A Stimulant for Healthy Living?

[James.]

For the past while I've been prescribed sustained release dexedrine at varying doses, though I'd like to replace it for another stimulant. Energy and mood have benefitted wonderfully from the drug, yet increased concentration is minimal. Larger doses introduce negative side effects, and any additional concentration often falls to the desire to socialize. Given that the input available on this site comes from those often using these pharms recreationally, the additional experiences from non-medicinal viewpoints are appreciated.

I've read extensive information on Methylphenidate/Ritalin as a replacement, and am trying to determine whether methylphenidate is a more "consistent" drug than Dexedrine. Technical specs and health care sites obviously aren't concerned with describing the high of the medication.

Dexedrine is too euphoric, too social, and has a brutal comedown for daily use. It's almost pantomime, and (in my experience) not at all appropriate when simply wanting to lock your ass to a desk and focus on a single task. A few old posts seem to support the notion that methylphenidate is more of a neutral, concentration oriented drug for many individuals. Yet it's also stated that cocaine-like highs can also result with it's use.

For anyone that has experience with methylphenidate, how did you feel during & immediately after the drug's effect? Do you feel that your personality, or any situations/issues influenced these effects?

Mods: Thanks in advance for not moving this to the more hedonistic forums

 

[The Chemist]

Methylphenidate is too sketchy IMO, the effects are very short-lived and the comedown is harsh.

I have experience with Adderall (non-Rx, but used for legitimate reasons), and find that the comedown is pretty hard and is quite exhaustive.

Vyvanse is, hands-down, the best ADD/ADHD medicine out there, I was prescribed it, and loved what it did for me: excellent performance, great concentration, and smooth effects lasting up to 14 hours (for me). Vyvanse come-down is not harsh, but gradual towards the end of the day (when you would normally be tired).

That's about all i can say about what i've done...love to hear other experiences.

 

[Mehm]

ginko biloba might not be very strong on its own, but it is very good to stack with other stimulants. Also, it is an anti-oxidant.

 

[dcraver877]

gotu kola works very well for me. It gives me energy and motivation while calming me down allowing me to concentrate better. And as it wears off (around 4 hours later) i become even more relaxed then when i woke up.

 

[That-Strange-Guy]

ginko biloba saved me in high-school by preventing me from spacing out. Although it doesn't work on everyone, I have ADHD but I refuse to take medication for it because it changes my personality completely, ginko biloba however helped me without changing me.

 

[ebola?]

which stimulants work for you is a matter of idiosyncrasy. none of the 'classical ones' (DA releasers and DARIs) are appropriate for frequent use though.

ebola

 

[James.]

Vyvanse is, hands-down, the best ADD/ADHD medicine out there

Good to hear that it's worked for you.. Opinions on that one seem to be so divided. in any case, it's not available here for another few months. When you mentioned methylphenidate as sketchy, was your experience w/ a slow release form?

which stimulants work for you is a matter of idiosyncrasy.

Absolutely. Though it would be helpful to narrow down a choice for trial according to the experiences of those who share similar personalities/reasons for taking the medication.

none of the 'classical ones' (DA releasers and DARIs) are appropriate for frequent use though.

What "frequency" of use, and over what time frame? Is this because of neurotoxicity?

 

[Tomer]

ginko biloba might not be very strong on its own, but it is very good to stack with other stimulants. Also, it is an anti-oxidant.

Can you please elaborate, interested to hear more. So, when taking your usual Stimulant dose, take Ginko, as well?

Tomer

 

[ebola?]

What "frequency" of use, and over what time frame? Is this because of neurotoxicity?

I'd say that even with moderate, weekly use, you'll run into issues with tolerance. Maybe twice a month would be prudent, if you want stimulants to keep working on you. . . There's some enduring process of adaptation, but it's not clearly due to neurotoxicity. Stimulants that also release serotonin are more clearly neurotoxic at typical doses.

ebola

 

[The Chemist]

Good to hear that it's worked for you.. Opinions on that one seem to be so divided. in any case, it's not available here for another few months. When you mentioned methylphenidate as sketchy, was your experience w/ a slow release form?

yes, i had Concerta and absolutely hated it. Even crushing the pills to a powder didn't provide me with effects i desired.

Having said that, i have tried Focalin (both oral and insufflated) and found it to be just as unpleasureable.

MPH just doesn't like me, and that is all fine for me.

 

[jamesmartin]

Mdpv?

 

[ebola?]

It seems that only a minority of users can handle it as a functional aid, and a significant portion who can't find it a compulsive nightmare. So probably not.

ebola

 

[jamesmartin]

It's not addictive at all . Infact it's the opposite . After using I can sleep perfectly and I feel more motivated and it's keeps me away from wee as it seems to keep my grades down

 

[ebola?]

And I'm saying that your response is idiosyncratic. Hell, your description doesn't even suggest anything about potential addictiveness or a lack thereof.

ebola

 

[rm-rf]

caffeine is out of the question?

 

[James.]

Caffeine is definitely a supplemental consideration.. Though I've always found it way too high maintenance to keep up with. Beyond a coffee in the morning, it's more of an irritable roller coaster than two doses of dexedrine XR. It also runs the risk of becoming sketchy and compromising decent sleep patterns.

MPH just doesn't like me, and that is all fine for me.

Thanks for the input, the stuff is starting to sound like a dinosaur prescription by all accounts.

I'd say that even with moderate, weekly use, you'll run into issues with tolerance. Maybe twice a month would be prudent, if you want stimulants to keep working on you...

Twice a month, as in two weeks out of every month?

There's some enduring process of adaptation, but it's not clearly due to neurotoxicity. Stimulants that also release serotonin are more clearly neurotoxic at typical doses.

Ok.. Though I'm not worried about adaptation so much as permanent, mood altering neurotoxicity. Is taking this med on a daily basis analagous to abusing methamphetamine?

 

[ebola?]

Twice a month, as in two weeks out of every month?

Two days out of thirty(one). Weekly use would take a hell of a long time to catch up with you, but it most likely would after a year or two.

ebola

 

[p-mo]

And I'm saying that your response is idiosyncratic. Hell, your description doesn't even suggest anything about potential addictiveness or a lack thereof.

ebola

Yeah its pretty damn addictive but I find the comedown far less severe than other stimulants. I can even eat a reasonable ammount whilst on it.

 

[jamesmartin]

Yeah ^ that's what I mean .

I have had the least side effects with mdpv than any other stimulant .

On mdpv I can sleep , eat , sit still , no dry mouth or jaw clentching and the next day I feel fine

 

[ascker]

Modafinil? As far as I know, its non-addictive, and isn't really bad for you.