A serious thread about online poker

[chinky]

i dont think you can promote your shit here...and the only thing cool about G4 is that hot chick olivia munn.yeah i said it.

are you in a boy band?
no im in a man band.

 

[Bedhead]

Time to grind.. sunday time for pstars

Suck out Sundays. Always a good day to grind.

 

[Bedhead]

God fucking damnit. I like running 30 BI below the red line. Shit is just so rigged.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1200)
BB (t5800)
UTG (t4880)
Hero (Button) (t1620)

Hero's M: 5.40

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, 10

UTG calls t200, Hero bets t1620 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t1420

Flop: (t3540) Q

, 5

, A

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3540) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3540) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t3540

Villain is 52/9. And you know what he had? Fucking KK. Unbelievable.

 

[alasdairm]

bedhead - i have a couple of questions about your post (#537). i assume you are 'hero'. who is villain? am i missing something?

also, did you think it was unbelievable that he called with kk or simply that he had it in the first place?

i have stopped thinking anything is unbelievable in poker (online or in real life). while i certainly seem to see ridiculously 'bad' play and dismal dismal beats online, i just try to learn something from every situation and move on. getting flustered about bad beats and bad play just makes me a poorer player.

alasdair

 

[Infinite Jest]

I guess because his VPR is 52 ("Villain is 52/9"), meaning he plays more than half of all hands. So he could have almost anything there - his range is huge. Whereas if it was someone who only plays premium hands, you gotta expect that if he's limping, he likely has something decent.

 

[Bedhead]

also, did you think it was unbelievable that he called with kk or simply that he had it in the first place?

My opponent was the villain in the hand. Last night was a very frustrating night. The two times I have KK, I have clowns call my all-ins w/ Ax and of course they hit their ace. Then perhaps the last SnG of the night I have TT, shortstacked, in a great spot to double up. Of all the times for this clown w/ a VPIP of 52 to have KK, it has to be when I'm dealt TT. Of all the fucking times it has to be that hand.

I guess because his VPR is 52 ("Villain is 52/9"), meaning he plays more than half of all hands. So he could have almost anything there - his range is huge. Whereas if it was someone who only plays premium hands, you gotta expect that if he's limping, he likely has something decent.

This may explain it a little better than I did.

I think I'd probably kill myself if I started only grinding 180s.

 

[Bedhead]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (t3310)
Button (t3175)
SB (t3070)
Hero (BB) (t2645)
UTG (t1300)

Hero's M: 11.76

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, Q

3 folds, SB calls t75, Hero checks

Flop: (t300) 4

, 9

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t200, SB calls t200

Turn: (t700) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t500, SB calls t500

River: (t1700) 8

(2 players)
SB bets t605, Hero folds

Total pot: t1700

What does he have here? A flush/straight? Villain showed down lots of broadway cards in previous hands. 23/11 over say 50 ish hands. QT ? Maybe JdTd ? 2 pair + a set would just check on the river on that board, right?

I just can't understand what he calls the flop bet w/ and then value bets the river with. UNLESS he just luckboxed his way into a straight on the river. QT is really the only thing that makes sense.

 

[Fjones]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP (t3310)
Button (t3175)
SB (t3070)
Hero (BB) (t2645)
UTG (t1300)

Hero's M: 11.76

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, Q

3 folds, SB calls t75, Hero checks

Flop: (t300) 4

, 9

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t200, SB calls t200

Turn: (t700) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t500, SB calls t500

River: (t1700) 8

(2 players)
SB bets t605, Hero folds

Total pot: t1700

What does he have here? A flush/straight? Villain showed down lots of broadway cards in previous hands. 23/11 over say 50 ish hands. QT ? Maybe JdTd ? 2 pair + a set would just check on the river on that board, right?

I just can't understand what he calls the flop bet w/ and then value bets the river with. UNLESS he just luckboxed his way into a straight on the river. QT is really the only thing that makes sense.

You're overthinking the game.

First of all, that's a lame fold on the river. You already voluntarily put in 700 chips, now you are folding for 625 because a scary card came?

If that is how you want to play it, then don't bother betting the turn. Instead, check the turn, then bet that same 500 at the river and guarantee your self a showdown (Or call his 500 at the river if he bets).

Many people just bet at boards that have 4 to a straight or 4 to a flush. Why? Because people sometimes FOLD TOP TWO PAIR when they do.

I have a philosophy that serves me well in small stakes sngs ($75 and under). "If My hand is good enough for bets on two streets, it's good enough for bets on three streets."

"Maybe JdTd ? 2 pair + a set would just check on the river on that board, right?"

Who knows? People at small stakes usually have little logic or reason behind their play.

Last night someone min raised UTG to 100. I shipped 1100 (22 big blinds) with AK. he snap called with 5 6.

Why bother trying to figure out what people are doing or why? At small stakes SNGs, play should be very mechanical and robotic. Decisions should be rare.

Regarding the TT vs. KK hand -- That sucks, but even the worst players still get KK and AA sometimes. You played it right.

 

[Fjones]

I noticed this guy while browsing through OPR rankings. It isn't easy to play this poorly. He has yet to even make the FIRST percentile in ANY year. He is not even better than ONE out of 100 players, on average. He has lost $11,000 playing $9 buy-ins. That's 1200 buy-ins.
At one point, he finished 38th - 45th (out of 45 !!) in 15 out of 16 games (circled in red).

In August, he has elevated his futility to a new level.

So, imagine my surprise when I see him AT MY TABLE!

I said, "This should be fun to watch."

He played every hand, raising or reraising pre flop. He went broke on most flops, or tried to at least. Someone tried to bluff him with 9 high on one river, and he called.. with JACK HIGH. AND WAS GOOD. I am not making this up. He bad beat people left and right, building a huge stack.

I get it in good against him, and of course, I lose. Before too long, so did he.

Life goes on.

 

[Bedhead]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1895)
MP2 (t1300)
CO (t2060)
Button (t1835)
SB (t1760)
Hero (BB) (t1550)
UTG (t1330)
UTG+1 (t1770)

Hero's M: 34.44

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, A

1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) 10

, A

, 6

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold

Turn: (t150) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t75, UTG+1 calls t75

River: (t300) K

(2 players)
Hero bets t285, UTG+1 raises to t810, Hero calls t525

Total pot: t1920

Results:
Hero mucked 10

, A

(two pair, Aces and tens).
UTG+1 had J

, Q

(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 won t1920

Sick turn call brah. I heard you had a sick price to hit your gutshot on the river.

Ya, I know, should of bet more on the flop and turn and I meant to bet 185 on the river, but misclicked. I called his raise, even though I should of folded , because I'm tired of being weak tight and folding the best hand often. But I think I got it figured out...

At the micros, players are much more willing to C-bet and/or fire a turn bet w/ air than say bluff all 3 streets. There are some crazies out there but the majority don't do it. In addition players at the micros pay FAR less attention to board texture than they do their own cards. So it's more likely that they have it when there's 3 cards to a straight/flush on the board compared to when they're bluffing.

That's why I think when the betting goes call, call, lead the river w/ a value bet -- they often have it (on a drawy board).

 

[Max Power]

<--- confirmed busto

 

[Bedhead]

I'm right around -.3 % ROI for the $3s. Tonight it's been constant bad beats. They hit their 2 and 3 outers left and right. A 1/3 of my bankroll is gone since the beginning of this downswing that started a few weeks ago.

Busto may be soon...

 

[Max Power]

I'm right around -.3 % ROI for the $3s. Tonight it's been constant bad beats. They hit their 2 and 3 outers left and right. A 1/3 of my bankroll is gone since the beginning of this downswing.

move down in stakes.

 

[Bedhead]

move down in stakes.

I can beat the 3s. They're soft.

Losing a 80/20 on the bubble isn't doing wonders for my ROI either.

Edit: I need to move up to where they respect my equity.

 

[Fjones]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.4 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1895)
MP2 (t1300)
CO (t2060)
Button (t1835)
SB (t1760)
Hero (BB) (t1550)
UTG (t1330)
UTG+1 (t1770)

Hero's M: 34.44

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, A

1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t90) 10

, A

, 6

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t30, UTG+1 calls t30, 1 fold

Turn: (t150) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t75, UTG+1 calls t75

River: (t300) K

(2 players)
Hero bets t285, UTG+1 raises to t810, Hero calls t525

Total pot: t1920

Results:
Hero mucked 10

, A

(two pair, Aces and tens).
UTG+1 had J

, Q

(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG+1 won t1920

Sick turn call brah. I heard you had a sick price to hit your gutshot on the river.

Ya, I know, should of bet more on the flop and turn and I meant to bet 185 on the river, but misclicked. I called his raise, even though I should of folded , because I'm tired of being weak tight and folding the best hand often. But I think I got it figured out...

At the micros, players are much more willing to C-bet and/or fire a turn bet w/ air than say bluff all 3 streets. There are some crazies out there but the majority don't do it. In addition players at the micros pay FAR less attention to board texture than they do their own cards. So it's more likely that they have it when there's 3 cards to a straight/flush on the board compared to when they're bluffing.

That's why I think when the betting goes call, call, lead the river w/ a value bet -- they often have it (on a drawy board).

You said it yourself, but I'll mention it again. What's with the flop bet?

If you are doing that consistently, that would explain why you are not winning.

Do you often make small bets when you have a big hand?

If so, why?

 

[Fjones]

I can beat the 3s. They're soft.

Losing a 80/20 on the bubble isn't doing wonders for my ROI either.

How many have you played? WHat is your overall ROI?

Variance can be frustrating, but you will lose 1 out of those 80/20 out of 5. We tend to not notice when we win 8 or 9 in a row, so it makes it seem like we're running bad when we lose two of them.

 

[Fjones]

That's why I think when the betting goes call, call, lead the river w/ a value bet -- they often have it (on a drawy board).

Most of your chips should be in on the turn (if you have decided to bet both the flop and turn).

How much are you betting at the flop and turn?

 

[Max Power]

shout out to all the 2p2ers on here. :D

 

[Fjones]

!? What was the bet? That he could play 525,000 hands in a month?

 

[SHHMCJOOAPOYS]

that seems almost impossible