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hahahahaha, isn't it great though? A common trend amongst douche's who cry about everything are that they all suck terribly and 99% of them have no bankroll. If you go and play small buy in sngs, im talking 1-10$ range, people are such complete assholes! They seriously think they are amazingly GREAT, they are just down right mean!

Get up into, i'd say, oh 50$ and higher range, and people aren't nearly as douchebaggy.

I guess, though I play $75 games and people are the same way, though maybe not as much.

I hate it when people berate a fish though for a bad play. Why would someone do that? Does he want to fish to sto playing? Or to improve? I hav actually seen people explain advanced concepts in great detail because they are pissed about losing a hand.

One player was talking about how bad a play was and exactly why it was bad, and I immediately sided with the fish and told the sdhark to STFU. Why the hell would you educate your opponents?
 
^
Yeah, or someone told me 'lucky catch' when I'd had JJ preflop against AQ or something, he flopped the Q and I rivered him. I was a favourite when the money went in you dipshit.

Some other fool told me I was an idiot for pushing A4 (low M situation), then when I pushed QQ or something and got caught by a worse hand he continued telling me I was an idiot (for pushing QQ against JJ). I tried to get him to play me heads-up, but he wouldn't.

The other good one is people callng each other donks at the levels I play at (mainly $2-5). We're all donks at that level, comparatively...

Agreed. People talking smack and giving lessons at the small stakes games is hilarious.

Problem is, everyone thinks he is good at poker. Few players realize they suck. Peopel do not realize how difficult this game is. because of the rake, the AVERAGE player is minus 10% ROI. Winning players consistently beat the games for 20% ROI, or much more if they play large multis, so there are a lof of people out there who are well in the negative.


This is a game where being in the top 1% is not good enough. I consistently rank 99.something on OPR and I still haven't made it big. To really make it big, one has to be in the top 1/10 of the top 1% and be ranked 99.9something on OPR.
 
hey fjones - i notice you use a four colour deck. do you find it makes a big difference? do you prefer it, generally, to a regular deck?

alasdair

Not only do I prefer it, I use it exclusively. I own "IRL" 4 color decks and I use them for bridge, spades, hearts, poker, or whatever.

A two color deck puts me on severe tilt. Why the hell would two different suits be the same color? It was an error on the part of whoever invented cards. There is no reason to have a two color deck, it flies in the face of all logic. If cards had ALWAYS had four colors, and someone suggested a two color deck, he would be laughed out of the room for saying something so absurd.

Yet because peopel are usesd to two colors, they think four is weird. It's just like the US measurement system. It is a riduclous system that makes little sense, yet we use it becasue people are accustomed to it, even thoug the metric system is approximatly a trillon times better (give or take a few billion).
 
Oh yeah, and Fjones, did you know your registered for some tournies on FTP that your not playing? 2 free roll tournies, one for a seat to sunday million, actually 8 seats.

Yeah, I always seem to miss that stupid rakeupdate freeroll and then I had a rough weekend with some adulterated rolls and I have felt like shit for two days, so I haven't even logged in. I wasted a valuable entry to the world series qualifier. Damnit.
 
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I think I get what you are saying. If I am in the big blind and I have 30% of my chips in as the BB, I am probably going with my hand. Whether it is by means of a shove or flat calling and shoving the flop isn't really important. The guy isn't likely to fold either way in either case.

I just had an excruciating session to close out the month. I feel like smashing things. I must have lost 80% of my VPIP and another bunch of non-VPIP hands as well.
 
ha ha ha. The second definition of MUBS is hilarious. But yeah, I whiffed about 32 in a row earlier and might have had some MUBS also (I call it "passive tilt."

It ended up being only 28 in a row, as I ended up with a cash that happened after some busts but started before the busts.


Passive tilt is a difficult thing to do with. Combined on my two accounts, I have killed these 45 man SNGS for

2,869 games
$24,500
$8.54 profit per game
4 to 5 games per hour
and an overall ROI of 25.7%

These re stellar numbers that indicate a potential for making $75,000 a year at those stakes, and $120,000 a year at the stakes I currently play. And it is not based on a small sample.

YET --

When I go through one of my losing streaks where I lose 30 in a row, I just feel like I don't know how to play poker. it is very frustrating and makes me want to quit.

Nothing works. Everything goes wrong. Hands are lost in the most bizarre manner possible.

It is NOT an easy thing to do with. The highs are great and the lows are soul crushing.
 
^ Such a sick game. My friend quit a VERY good job at IBM to go pro, and was crushing the 12$ 180 sngs on pstars. The 600-1000$ swings would absolute anihilate his soul, and he would always question weather he knew how to play poker.

I don't take the swings you all do, and unfortunately, these MTsngs just seem to have crushing swings.

Those are sick stats Fjones!! 25.7 ROI is amazing, hope you keep at it, just keep your head up, you can do it! Just keep your head straight, battle through those downswings.

You play non turbos right?

I went on pretty bad tilt tonight and put about 75% of my bankroll on the line playing double or nothings. I threw in some 20$ DONS and a 50$ don along with 10 tabling alot of 5-10$ DONS, and it made me want to puke losing every 10$ don and crushing the 5$ dons.

I had a CRUSHING bubble on a 20$ that would of helped put me up 90$ after I was SUPER short, with like 550 chips with 1010. the bubble boy put in his stack which was like 480 and the BB was 400. one other guy called and I called to check it down.

The board ran out A 3 2 5... 4... And what made me puke was the fact the ALL had 106, and the guy that checked it down with me had 44. $*&UHFDI Needless to say I BUBBLED, and turned a tilty session into a +35$ session, sigh.

Good luck all.

And one more thing I would like to say in regards to the insaneness of KQ, no matter if you got 2nd nuts or how good your hand is, KQ is ALWAYS the nuts. Period.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Ac]
avvvvvvv: folds
77Dozer77: folds
willsy123: folds
mehotplay: calls 100
pepel2: folds
slydnrid has timed out while disconnected
slydnrid: folds
slydnrid is sitting out
iK1NG DAV1Di: calls 100
slydnrid is connected
slydnrid has returned
senton: folds
Hero: raises 200 to 300
kels1000: folds
mehotplay: calls 200
iK1NG DAV1Di: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [Ad Th 6h]
Hero: checks
mehotplay: checks
iK1NG DAV1Di: checks
*** TURN *** [Ad Th 6h] [2s]
Hero: bets 500
mehotplay: calls 500
iK1NG DAV1Di: folds
*** RIVER *** [Ad Th 6h 2s] [Js]
Hero: bets 535 and is all-in
mehotplay: calls 535
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
mehotplay: shows [Qh Kh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
mehotplay collected 3170 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3170 | Rake 0

Wow. that A 2 3 4 5 hand is ridiculous. That kind of shit tilts me to no end.

I hate when on the bubble, one short stack after another survives an all in, forcing me not to play medium strength hands that I woudl play once the bubble breaks.
 
Swings SUCK. My earnigns were around 8K for the month, but then on the last day of the month I managed this "streak"

badrunatpoker.jpg


I cash one tiem out of 6, on average. so the odds of busting in any tournament are 5/6.

The odds of busting 30 times in a row are (5/6) ^ 30 which is .004 or 1 out of 250.

I think I have had a handful of such streaks, which makes sense since I have played over 2500 games.

I think I lost 40 in a row at one point.
 
I hate when on the bubble, one short stack after another survives an all in

Hehe. In regards to that, I'm not sure if I played this hand right.. Would appreciate any critique you guys want to give...

Venser666 was surviving w/ ridiculous hands and I was getting low on chips.

DoN Turbo
PokerStars Game #27701287658: Tournament #160187265, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2009/05/01 13:42:59 ET
Table '160187265 1' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: prebenhs (2122 in chips)
Seat 4: NikolasM7 (1685 in chips)
Seat 6: Venser666 (525 in chips)
Seat 7: sven meijer (6712 in chips)
Seat 8: Merzayn (2156 in chips)
Seat 9: elfxb vyt (1800 in chips)
prebenhs: posts the ante 40
NikolasM7: posts the ante 40
Venser666: posts the ante 40
sven meijer: posts the ante 40
Merzayn: posts the ante 40
elfxb vyt: posts the ante 40
prebenhs: posts small blind 200
NikolasM7: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NikolasM7 [Td Ts]
Venser666: folds
sven meijer: calls 400
Merzayn: folds
elfxb vyt: folds
prebenhs: folds
NikolasM7: raises 1245 to 1645 and is all-in
sven meijer: calls 1245
*** FLOP *** [3d Qc 5s]
*** TURN *** [3d Qc 5s] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [3d Qc 5s 3h] [7h]*** SHOW DOWN ***
NikolasM7: shows [Td Ts] (two pair, Tens and Threes)
sven meijer: shows [8h Qd] (two pair, Queens and Threes)


Villain is getting roughly 2:1 on pot odds. Does that make sense for him to call w/ 1 face card? Is me checking here an option? He was the big stack also and probably wanted to gamble to knock out the 6th player. I guess I could've waited for the blinds to reach the short stack? But if he survived, I basically would've had to shove before the blinds reached me again. So I figured 10s was good enough to shove with. At least I was ahead when the money went in.
 
2 to 1 odds if enough to call in almost any situation with any 2 cards. WIth his stack, he can do whatever he wants. I think the DON tournaments are just silly. This isn't real poker. The only thing I might suggest doing it, check from the BB there and move in on a flop with undercards, check/fold if overcards.

But again, I hate these. I do not want toever play a game where I have to fold TT in the big blind when I have 4 big blinds.
 
Just found this thread...

I have been playing online poker for only two years now but over the past year I have really improved my game by looking at my stats on HEM and my graph on sharkscope which is due to a heap of practice and a heap of studying and reading books about the game.

After each session I usually go over my hand histories and evaluate each play where I lost or won a big pot, if I had no idea how to play it or what I did wrong I'd post it in a poker forum and get help with it, a lot of hard work I put in to it but I think it's paid off, well, so far. 8o

I started at 5/10c ring games and now I have a good enough bank roll to play the 1/2 mainly and 2/4.00 ring games most nights when I am free. If you are serious about your poker and you think you know what you're doing it's best to start at 5/10c NL because they actually respect your raises there where as at the mico mico stakes people call just about anything and imo those games rely on luck.

I mainly play on stars but some weeks I cop massive downswings which is expected in poker because of variance and when I do I head to cake, boyles, betfair etc - - all the MUCH softer poker sites.

Stars and FTP have the most sharks and the games in NL holdem are very hard, especially this year, the game keeps getting better and better. If you go to a smaller poker site you will find a heap more 'fish' and a lot less sharks. The bad side is that the withdrawal options and deposit options are a bit of a bitch compared to stars and ftp.

My aim is to move up to 3/6.00 and play that all the time on stars by the end of the year, just need to build the bank roll up more before I take that step, and I am pretty shit at bank roll management to most of the guys I know on stars who play those limits.

Sorry if that sounded arrogant in anyway, I hope it didn't, I will post my bad beats later on, I suppose I just wanted to say that if you're interested in the game and keen for it you can read a lot of books, study your hand histories, get help, watch training videos, practice and it all pays off in the long run.

Even though I will probably get home drunk one night and blow my entire roll on stars this wkend... haah

So this hand happened as I was typing this and thought I'd ask here...

My read on Villain:

Villain is running about 21/17/2.2 over 2.4k hands. Not too much history with villain but through out the match he has been pretty aggressive and I have 3bet him a few times where he has folded.

This is one of those spots where calling flop seems standard but at the same time villain is prob betting turn most of the time (at least I would assume so)

I do not know what villain's exact line is going to be on turn and river, but if he bets turn I have to consider the fact that he may barrel the river as well which is going to leave me in an awkward spot.

I took out what I did, so any opinions on what I should of done would be great, cheers.

Actually I will skip that because well I dunno if anyone would be interested in helping me with it on this forum and I also wouldn't want members from the poker forums I am on to find out I hang on this site, :p

Anyway I have said to much and probably shouldn't have even found a poker thread on this forum when I am on here for a totally different reason, lol.

HHs will be posted if anyone is keen on helping me with some.

Cheers,

MM
 
Villain is getting roughly 2:1 on pot odds. Does that make sense for him to call w/ 1 face card? Is me checking here an option? He was the big stack also and probably wanted to gamble to knock out the 6th player. I guess I could've waited for the blinds to reach the short stack? But if he survived, I basically would've had to shove before the blinds reached me again. So I figured 10s was good enough to shove with. At least I was ahead when the money went in.

In a tournament like that you actually couldn't of played that hand any better... You need to insta shove when you have any good cards before the blinds eat you up... Even though he is getting 2:1 odds his call was nothing but a donk call, he was hoping to get lucky, you played it well and he got lucky, end of story.

The only reason I can see him calling you on this is if you built up a rep on your table of raising shit hands and going all in a few times where everyone has folded.

If you go all in 3 times in a row or within 10 minutes they're going to call you the 4th time because it's so unlikely you have got KK, 100, AJ etc etc that many times in 10 mins so he might of thought he had an alright hand if you did that a few times.

You should go in the MTTs 2.20 and up if you are confident with your game, in those games you don't usually get those sort of players unless they're drunk or pissed off.
 
Swings SUCK. My earnigns were around 8K for the month, but then on the last day of the month I managed this "streak"

I am having a pretty shit cooler at the moment, well for the past week on stars, when I was on a sik heater like two weeks ago, lol... Stupid poker!

I was playing heads up NL200 on stars and was down 2 and a bit buy-ins within an hour or two to the same guy, looking over my hands it's just so frustrating like this one hand I had a king high flush on the flop..

I check, he raises, I flat call the turn comes 5d, I raise, he calls the river is 4 of clubs, I bet, he goes all in, I call...

He had ONE fucken ace of clubs.............. and beat me! Aghhhhh....

Never even thought of chasing him away when there was only one card in the deck that could beat me... :o
 
Man, been running bad lately. Just found out router crashing puts me on tilt. :|

I have a question about a hand that I think I'm not sure I played correctly. I'm not sure in general how to play these hands. Villian is loose. That's about all I have on him. He called to showdown w/ bottom pair...

PokerStars Game #27913347749: Tournament #161669258, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/07 3:14:21 ET
Table '161669258 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Blizard1986 (2810 in chips)
Seat 2: Tigermama69 (1325 in chips)
Seat 3: MÃTTYJ (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: Skulk20 (2410 in chips)
Seat 6: skbndi (1350 in chips)
Seat 7: Tyhudg (1740 in chips)
Seat 8: boutzi (830 in chips)
Seat 9: NikolasM7 (1560 in chips)
Tyhudg: posts small blind 15
boutzi: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NikolasM7 [Kh Jc]
NikolasM7: raises 60 to 90
Blizard1986: folds
Tigermama69: folds
MÃTTYJ: folds
Skulk20: calls 90
skbndi: calls 90
Tyhudg: folds
boutzi: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 2h Kc]
NikolasM7: bets 150
Skulk20: calls 150
skbndi: folds
*** TURN *** [3s 2h Kc] [8s]
NikolasM7: bets 330
Skulk20: raises 440 to 770
NikolasM7: folds
Uncalled bet (440) returned to Skulk20
Skulk20 collected 1275 from pot

If he had KK/AA/AK he would've RR me preflop I'm guessing? Maybe just called w/ AK. I'm just trying to figure out what he would RR me on the turn with, and the best I can come up with is K8. I'm just trying to figure out how I could've played this hand better. Should I have just have called PF? What's the best way to play TP OOP on a non-scary board HU? Bet pot on the flop? Check? Should I not have bet on the turn? Betting the flop and checking the turn looks weak though, doesn't it?

I can't see him having anything other than K8. Maybe pocket 8s, 'cuz he RR w/ trips on the flop w/ another hand, and he could've just made a donk call. Should I have bet more on the flop like 2/3 or pot and try and take it down? I don't know... I feel like if I bet the flop I have to bet the turn? Not really sure how I should've played this...
 
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Man, been running bad lately. Just found out router crashing puts me on tilt. :|

I have a question about a hand that I think I'm not sure I played correctly. I'm not sure in general how to play these hands. Villian is loose. That's about all I have on him. He called to showdown w/ bottom pair...

PokerStars Game #27913347749: Tournament #161669258, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/07 3:14:21 ET
Table '161669258 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Blizard1986 (2810 in chips)
Seat 2: Tigermama69 (1325 in chips)
Seat 3: MÃTTYJ (1475 in chips)
Seat 4: Skulk20 (2410 in chips)
Seat 6: skbndi (1350 in chips)
Seat 7: Tyhudg (1740 in chips)
Seat 8: boutzi (830 in chips)
Seat 9: NikolasM7 (1560 in chips)
Tyhudg: posts small blind 15
boutzi: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NikolasM7 [Kh Jc]
NikolasM7: raises 60 to 90
Blizard1986: folds
Tigermama69: folds
MÃTTYJ: folds
Skulk20: calls 90
skbndi: calls 90
Tyhudg: folds
boutzi: folds
*** FLOP *** [3s 2h Kc]
NikolasM7: bets 150
Skulk20: calls 150
skbndi: folds
*** TURN *** [3s 2h Kc] [8s]
NikolasM7: bets 330
Skulk20: raises 440 to 770
NikolasM7: folds
Uncalled bet (440) returned to Skulk20
Skulk20 collected 1275 from pot

If he had KK/AA/AK he would've RR me preflop I'm guessing? Maybe just called w/ AK. I'm just trying to figure out what he would RR me on the turn with, and the best I can come up with is K8. I'm just trying to figure out how I could've played this hand better. Should I have just have called PF? What's the best way to play TP OOP on a non-scary board HU? Bet pot on the flop? Check? Should I not have bet on the turn? Betting the flop and checking the turn looks weak though, doesn't it?

I can't see him having anything other than K8. Maybe pocket 8s, 'cuz he RR w/ trips on the flop w/ another hand, and he could've just made a donk call. Should I have bet more on the flop like 2/3 or pot and try and take it down? I don't know... I feel like if I bet the flop I have to bet the turn? Not really sure how I should've played this...


I stopped reading here --

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NikolasM7 [Kh Jc]
NikolasM7: raises 60 to 90


I don't even care about the rest. On an error scale of 1 to 10, opening KJ utg rates somewhere around 8. Fold it, this time and every time. I don't hesitate to throw away AJ there most of the time.

What are you expecting to happen? You cannot stand a reraise, you are likely dominated by most hands that call an utg raise, and you are badly out of position for the hand.
 
open limping utg at the early levels is not somehting one should be doing with ANY hand. if the PP is good enough to play, raise, otherwise, fold. Limp calling raises OOP with small pockets makes little sense.

And yes, what nguboi said about KJ. just fold it. I don't care if I am on the button, what is the point of playing that hand at the 15 30 level?
 
Mini FTOPS? You mean like this one? This was 3.5 hours in, approaching the "money."

Full Tilt Poker Game #12074357332: MiniFTOPS Event #1 (84239296), Table 2077 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:23:35 ET - 2009/05/07
Seat 1: Spartan_Mark (65,999)
Seat 2: FJones (12,999)
Seat 3: noainc (22,315)
Seat 4: jbcool2020 (47,565)
Seat 5: zekh95 (8,720)
Seat 6: Wildcard2469 (54,128)
Spartan_Mark antes 100
FJones antes 100
noainc antes 100
jbcool2020 antes 100
zekh95 antes 100
Wildcard2469 antes 100
Spartan_Mark posts the small blind of 400
FJones posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FJones [Js 6h]
noainc folds
jbcool2020 folds
zekh95 folds
Wildcard2469 folds
Spartan_Mark calls 400
FJones checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Jd 9d]
Spartan_Mark checks
FJones bets 1,600
Spartan_Mark calls 1,600
*** TURN *** [4s Jd 9d] [Ts]
Spartan_Mark bets 5,400
FJones raises to 10,499, and is all in
Spartan_Mark has 15 seconds left to act
Spartan_Mark has requested TIME
Spartan_Mark calls 5,099
FJones shows [Js 6h]
Spartan_Mark shows [7h 4h]
*** RIVER *** [4s Jd 9d Ts] [4d]
FJones shows two pair, Jacks and Fours
Spartan_Mark shows three of a kind, Fours
Spartan_Mark wins the pot (26,398) with three of a kind, Fours
FJones stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 26,398 | Rake 0
Board: [4s Jd 9d Ts 4d]
Seat 1: Spartan_Mark (small blind) showed [7h 4h] and won (26,398) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: FJones (big blind) showed [Js 6h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 3: noainc folded before the Flop
Seat 4: jbcool2020 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: zekh95 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Wildcard2469 (button) folded before the Flop
 
^haha yeah, like that. man sorry, brutal beat there. I think I have to make a new FTP name, I cant even log onto to play cause it says my account is suspended? wth. This is the 3rd time this has happened to me on differnt sites and it makes no sense.

Im really down to play those mini Ftops. Are you by any chance a PLO / 8 or better player fjones?

Whaaaat !?? why do they keep doing that? And yes, I used to main PLO 8 before I got sick of how few games of it there are. I was on the skarkscope leaderboard briefly under my other name.
 
I have played 94 sit n goes the last 4 days and have not won a single sit n go. I have only lost 34$ playing 10-22$ sit n goes.

This about sums out why I cant win a fucking sit n go

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Ah]
Longort: folds
stoneskull: raises 3875 to 4475 and is all-in
ddass: folds
Hero: calls 1410 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2465) returned to stoneskull
*** FLOP *** [4d Kc 8s]
*** TURN *** [4d Kc 8s] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [4d Kc 8s 6c] [6d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
stoneskull: shows [6h Ac] (three of a kind, Sixes)
ddass said, "LOL"
stoneskull collected 4520 from pot

ugh. epic bad beat! and some clown says LOL. that drives me fucking insane.

you have zero wins but are only down $34?
 
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