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A review of imbibing Salvia Divinorum by smoking.

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Teotzlcoatl

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You should NOT smoke Salvia divinorum!

That's right! You should NOT smoke Salvia divinorum!

When the traditional shamans learned that Salvia divinorum was smoked they were appalled! They said that this would make the spirit of Salvia very unhappy!

Some people actually speculate that the TRUE active ingredient in Salvia divinorum breaks down into Salvinorin A & B when the plant is dried, therefore most people who have used Salvia divinorum in the Western World have not had a "true" Salvia divinorum experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brEvQskNgjE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnJNPGsWMig&feature=related

The leaves needed to be used fresh. SWIM tried storing them in the refrigerator. After 1 day, the effects were a lot weaker and very different.It seems that this plant has an active compound in it that’s very unstable. After just a few hours of being picked, the leaves lost a lot of their potency. However dried leaves were still effective, producing a very different experience though.
The dried leaves were good for smoking, but the effect was not something SWIM really liked much. SWIM did not care for the dried leaves much at all and ended up discarding all the dried leaves and ended up only using freshly picked leaves.
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It's my belief that the main active compound in the fresh leaves is oxidizing into salvinorin A, and that this oxidation happens within hours after picking the leaves. Just like an apple begins to turn brown after cutting it open, this compound begins to decompose into salvinorin A.

This is just an idea. I have no evidence to back it up other than the fact that the fresh leaves taken as a quid immediately after picking them are far better than dried leaves. The effect is really nice, stronger, and qualitatively different, more of a true psychedelic similar to mushrooms.

When the natives use Salvia, they use fresh leaves, not dried ones. The leaves are wrapped in banana leaves right after being picked. This is said to help preserve them while in transport to where they'll be used. They are normally used within hours after picking them because the natives also say they rapidly loose potency if stored.

I think there's definitely something going on here worth investigating. How to go about testing such an unstable compound is going to be very tricky though.
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So you should NOT smoke Salvia divinorum, but you SHOULD chew the fresh leafs from a live plant as a quid! This the proper and responsible way to use this powerful entheogen! Respect the plant by growing it, and using it in a traditional, proven manner.
 
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Both manners are "proven". They are just different. Your reasoning for telling us not to smoke salvia is because the plant will get mad?

Shit my weed must be pissed at me.
 
From my post at Edot last year:

I actually finally saw the KH video explaining the native use of Salvia. It was very interesting. There certainly are a wide number of preparations and rules before the Mazatecs indulge and I find that very enlightening.

I will however give my perspective which is the same as some others. Different cultures, different methods of uses. While the Mazatec's may be offended or appalled at "smoking" leaves or extracts I find that just a cultural difference. I find it appalling myself that a statement made that "Lady Salvia won't even come to you if you smoke so they don't know who is appearing" was even stated. That's a bit elitist. Almost like Timothy Leary (at least initially) stating that LSD only works in clinical settings and the whole Prankster movement got it wrong or the other way around . All these thoughts are only differences of opinions and cultures. I think before that statement was spoken it should have been qualified. One group of people does not have the market cornered on how to partake. But I respect the level of preparation by the Mazatecs and also the serious smokers in other parts of the world. I see too often the lack of respect and wrecklace indulgence causing lots of problems and freak outs so there is something to learn from the Mazatec preparation.

I can say I believe that Lady Salvia, who is very shy, appears to most of us that experience those effects from smoking. (or in tech terms that smoking salvinorin does work on the kappa receptors). I've learned a lot since visiting these places. Lady Salvia does appear and has blessed me many times by smoking. It was meant to happen. So I really do find topics and opinions like this elitist. NO ONE sits on such a high ground and can point to what one should or shouldn't do. We are all Shamans deep down in our own right and no one corners the market on how to achieve enlightement. After all, there were yogis saying meditation is the only true way. But I never bought that. Psychedelics were made to happen and it's no mistake LSD was discovered in the same year era as the atom fission.

But in the end I'm saying I love Kat Harrison. She nails some very important points in that video and bless her for teaching some truth. :)
 
You can believe whatever you want, I wont judge, however if theres any real reason why you shouldnt smoke Salvia or any dried plant material, it lies in the fact that you're breathing in smoke.
 
You can believe whatever you want, I wont judge, however if theres any real reason why you shouldnt smoke Salvia or any dried plant material, it lies in the fact that you're breathing in smoke.
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Haha good post.

Look guys I'm not saying smoking doesn't work wonderfully for some people, but many people have had bad experiences with smoked Salvia divinorum... this thread is just intended to tell them to take another look, because chewing the fresh leafs really is VERY VERY different from the smoked experience!
 
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YOU SHOULD SMOKE SALVIA! SMOKE EXTRACTS. AND SMOKE THEM A LOT.

CHEWING LEAVES IS NOT THE "TRUE" EXPERIENCE. IT IS A WEAK EXPERIENCE. SMOKING EXTRACTS IS WHERE THE MAGIC IS AT.
 
Look guys I'm not saying smoking doesn't work wonderfully for some people, but many people have had bad experiences with smoked Salvia divinorum... this thread is just intended to tell them to take another look, because chewing the fresh leafs really is VERY VERY different from the smoked experience!
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Look guys I'm not saying smoking doesn't work wonderfully for some people....

...this thread is just intended to tell them to take another look...
 
Yes, salvia also works sublingually. This is known.

It also works by smoking.

...this thread is just intended to tell them to take another look...
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I dunno, the title sure seems to imply that smoking is the "wrong" way to do it.

I say let people take it the way it works for them. Don't be forcing your ideas onto other people now.

If you want to renovate this thread into a sublingual salvia information source that's great, but don't go saying that's the only way or the "righteous" ;) way to do it.

Bah, I'm too high for this right now. I'm going to go enjoy my opiate induced glow. :) <3
 
Should I throw in the fact that I have no idea how to go about getting my hands on a salvia plant to grow, and that its a class A drug where I live? Will the salvia spirit give me a freebie plant magically so I can respect it? I don't like smoking salvia, I would try quidding it but yeah, the chances of that opportunity coming around in the near future are next to none.

Note to the OP: The title of your thread is "Why You Shouldn't Smoke Salvia divinorum! Please Read!!!"

To say that you are merely making a suggestion of sublingual dosing after titling it in a way that clearly denounces smoking salvia is just stupid.
 
Weird, this is posted on two other forums I'm on where Teo gets the exact same reaction. IMO this is simply spam...
 
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Weird, this is posted on two other forums I'm on where Teo gets the exact same reaction. IMO this is simply spam...
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Not entirely. Perhaps someone somewhere learned of another means of ingesting the plant.

The first drug I ever did was Salvia. Nothing happened. Rock on.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
So you should NOT smoke Salvia divinorum, but you SHOULD chew the fresh leafs from a live plant as a quid!
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Don't tell me what I should or should not do.

I smoke "Sally D" regularly, and rarely have bad experiences.
 
The Mazatecs and "traditional shamans" had no clue what this molecule, Salvinorin A, is actually capable of. With all due respect, I dont really care if they are "appalled". When they start taking hits of 20x to the dome like a real man then I'll listen to what they have to say about Salvia. I've been further then they have ever been with this plant, I guarantee you that.

All that "Lady Salvia" and "female spirit" stuff is a bunch of nonsense, IMO.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=488609
 
All that "Lady Salvia" and "female spirit" stuff is a bunch of nonsense, IMO.
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For an animist based culture, it makes sense to refer to salvia like that; a lot of shamanic cultures have a very dfferent cosmology to what we as westerners do; what we call a "molecule" could just as easly be called a "spirit"

- in truth, the reason the plant is not smoked by traditonal users is most likely because of the dysphoric effect some experience; its qute simple for the shamans to place a "spiritual taboo" on the practise.

Teo- I believe you have good intentions, but seriously, trying to constantly ram info down PD users' throats as if its gospel truth is quite patronising (matronising ;)). You are obviously knowledgable, but really, no-one cares if a shaman looks down on our practise of smoking salvia; this webste is about harm reduction, and, IMO, smoking salvia equals shorter duration which in turn equals less risk of harm to the user. Perhaps smoking is the incorrect method; but, you know, we're free people; we can choose to use a drug in whatever way takes our fancy.

I don't dismiss shamanism and animism at all; I practise various "occult arts" which would relegate me to the loony bin by normal standards, AND include elements of the aforementioned practises, and my reading and study of shamanism leads me to think it makes perfect sense, given the societies it is practised in. However, in MY society, I make the rules and don't particularly care if another society frowns upon it. Do we insist our women wear burka's simply because some Islamic cultures do?

Anyway, I would need some hard facts to actually support the idea that salvia has a long history of use; theres not much evidence really, and given the power of the plant, one would think there would be.

Don't tell me what I should or should not do.

I smoke "Sally D" regularly, and rarely have bad experiences.
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I don't think she/he means any harm by what she's saying, but the manner of it is somewhat irritating. However, as a communty, we can all agree to disagree. Personally, I think salvia is a sacred plant, gven the vista's it can display- no other entheogen/psychedelic matches it in that regard.

For what its worth, I dislike the effects of salvia, but am VERY thnakful that I have had the oppurtunity to ingest it. Thankful to nature, the headshop and my braincells :)
 
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