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A Quote Thread....

im not sure i understand what you mean.

is there another art or science that is not produced by humans?

he is not talking about concupiscence; the love of need. the love of needs actually springs from associating it with the aspects of truth or beauty.

what difference does it make that the praiser is good at it himself or not? the point of the quote is, when you look at men from the perspective of truth or beauty, some people will possess more or less of either. you will see dumb and smart people, beautiful and ugly people. ie. you see their capabality for science or art. when you look at them through your heart, you will only see love.
it seems to me that you are doing what kierkegaard is saying in the first part. you should not equate 'love' (by itself) with a relative love (relating to aspects; truth or beauty). when you look at people through your heart, you see all of them taking part in the community that is love, be that love expressed anyway it can be. the center of those myriad expressions of love is always the same, and when you see them from that center, they are equal in their love for love itself. any way wherein love is expressed is not better then any other way. it is only when you add an aspect to love, that people fall apart in talented and untalented.
 
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"Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

-Nietzche
 
"i am but an intricate molecular machine full of chemical catalysts that allow me to understand the other molecular machines that make up life, nature, and the universe"


comes from a paper I wrote for a philosophy class.
 
is there another art or science that is not produced by humans?
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I meant "the capacity of people to produce art"

if"art and science emphasizes the cleavage between the talented and untalented among men", then you are judging their different capacities to produce


how i understood the quote was
"He who praises (= judges) art and science (= the capacity of people to produce it) emphasizes the cleavage between the talented and untalented among men. But he who praises love (= in general) equalizes all, not in a common poverty or a common mediocrity, but in the community of the highest."

either i understood it wrong, or he's comparing apples and oranges

what difference does it make that the praiser is good at it himself or not?
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i said nothing about the praiser's capacity

when you look at men from the perspective of truth or beauty, some people will possess more or less of either. you will see dumb and smart people, beautiful and ugly people. ie. you see their capabality for science or art. when you look at them through your heart, you will only see love.
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you will see your love
the love that you are able to use when you look at people

some people possess less love than others

your love doesn't make people without love nicerbecause you are
just as your capacities don't make others talented because you are

when you look at people through your heart, you see all of them taking part in the community that is love, be that love expressed anyway it can be
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they are equal in their love for love itself
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i don't agree with that (or don't understand your point)

I don't think that people are equal in their love for love; their love; the love they can give; etc.
even when taking away subjective criterion such as beauty

ps : i don't see this as a hierarchy between those who can love and those who can't.
people are not responsible for how their were born

there's a whole topic about responsability here which i never started because i don't have the time to post too much, but if someone else wants to start :
"who's responsible for hitler (or anyone else)'s crimes?"
hitler himself?
but can he be held accountable for being born with his flaws or was he just the victim of his own genes and cultural environment?
 
vegan said:
how i understood the quote was
"He who praises (= judges) art and science (= the capacity of people to produce it) emphasizes the cleavage between the talented and untalented among men. But he who praises love (= in general) equalizes all, not in a common poverty or a common mediocrity, but in the community of the highest."

you will see your love
the love that you are able to use when you look at people
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i interpret it differently. it makes a lot of sense this way (at least to me):

"he who praises" would be he who holds science or art in the highest regard, ie. he who sees the pursuit of science (truth) or art (beauty) as the pinnacle of human endeveour.

if one is able to look at people with that kind of love, it effectively becomes their love, for such a love gives itself without any regard for itself or reciprocity. this is what he means with "in the community of the highest".
 
if that's what he meant (and if i understand you), i think the word "praise" was not a very good choice

because "if one is able to look at people with that kind of love" (why "that kind" ? ) doesn't necessarily mean "praises love" as in "praises science = holds science in the highest regard"

but it means more "lives through love", "judges through his own love"

it's still comparing oranges and apples to me but i'm tired and may not understand
i'll try again if one day i get a full night of sleep
 
^he was a danish philosopher, so its all translated to the best of the abilities of and respects to both languages, mind you.

because "if one is able to look at people with that kind of love" (why "that kind" ? ) doesn't necessarily mean "praises love" as in "praises science = holds science in the highest regard"
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and i used 'that kind of love' just as an expression to put you in the direction i interpreted the quote, seeing as you were taking the 'love of need/self' and 'love' to be the same thing in your interpretation earlier.

but if to praise is to hold in the highest regard, that which you 'revere', you look unto the world through those 'glasses' so to speak. that which you praise reflects your values
 
Sorry if this is a repeat I havent read the entire thread:

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu
 
"[Huxley] reminded me that drugs are beneficial if they provide the only access to our nightlife. I realized that the expression “blow my mind” was born of the fact that America had cemented access to imagination and fantasy and that it would take dynamite to remove this block! I believed Leary’s emphasis on the fact we use only one percent of our mind or potential, that everything in our education conspires to restrict and constrict us. I only wished people had had time to study drugs as they studied religion or philosophy and to adapt to this chemical alteration of our bodies.

[LSD's] value is in being a shortcut to the unconscious, so that one enters the realm of intuition unhampered, pure as it is in children, of direct emotional reaction to nature, to other human beings. In a sense it is the return to the spontaneity and freshness of childhood vision which makes every child able to paint or sing."

—Anais Nin, The Diary (Vol. 6?), as quoted by Dale Pendell in Pharmako Gnosis: Plant Teachers and the Poison Path
 
1) Mind conjures miracles out of time- Terence Mckenna quoting someone else.

2) “They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.”-bill hicks

3) “I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. 'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.' 'I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.' 'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!'-bill hicks

4) The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

5) Fear defeats more people than any other one thing in the world.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

6) "The explanation of synchronicity is: there is no explanation" - Terence Mckenna

7) "A coincidence is what you have left over when you apply a bad theory" - P W bridgman

8) "Man is the measure of all things" - ???

9) "Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience."
-Ralph Waldo Emerson


10) Every man I meet is in some way my superior.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

11) A man of knowledge lives by acting, not by thinking about acting. -Carlos Castaneda

12)Just because you are blind, and unable to see my beauty doesn't mean it does not exist.
-Margaret Cho

13) I live in company with a body, a silent companion, exacting and eternal.
--Eugene Delacroix

14) I would not know what the spirit of a philosopher might wish more to be than a good dancer. --Friedrich Nietzsche

15) The wise man will love; all others will desire. --Afranius

16)Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting. --Alan Dean Foster

17)The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.—Stephen Hawking

18)"Are you a God?" they asked the Buddha. "No," he replied. "Are you an angel, then?" "No." "A saint?" "No." "Then what are you?" Replied the Buddha, "I am awake."—Huston Smith

19)Those who understand history are condemned to watch other idiots repeat it.—Peter Lamborn Wilson


I love quotes :) Ill post more later.
 
"the road of excess lead to the palace of wisdom." -william blake

"every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness." -martin luther king

"Now the question is - are you ready, for the real revolution
which is the evolution of the mind?
If you seek then you shall find that we all come from the divine
You dig what I'm sayin?" -flavor flav
 
Here are some I actually made myself.

"I don’t want you for the cost of your misery"

"Every breath I take is a prayer to the god that has brought us together"

"as long as were apart there’s an injustice in the world"

"I never believed in love at first sight, and then there was you."

"Knowledge learns"

"Knowing is of the highest privilege, but you’d never know"

"Wisdom doesn’t talk, it listens"

"the moon was full last night and with you in mind, it never looked so beautiful"
 
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Only if I love something can it reveal itself to me.
- Rudolf Steiner

I really love that one, let it sink in... try to apply it to every decision in your life, even the smallest... also definitely applies to the psychedelic universe/mindstate
 
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