A question for Christians- is anti-christianity offensive?

[Jabberwocky]

*Bump* prune-related

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

Not offensive at all. I invite anti-Christian sentiments b/c it helps me understand

a. how I can be a better Christian. Many times anti-Christian sentiments stem from a perception of "Christianity" that's been demonstrated in an un-Christian way (child abuse by priests, intolerance and hate-speech by fundamentalists). I don't to lead others away from Christ by saying I'm Christian but acting otherwise.

b. what someone may not fully understand about Christianity that has led them away from Christ. Perhaps I can answer questions or address concerns that would have otherwise been ignored.

 

[moonyham]

At the end of the day.... Jesus was a fraud, god is a lie, and anyone who believes otherwise is basically just brainwashed and/or crazy.

I mean seriously, its like how sometimes when someone is standing in your peripheral vision, and then they move but your eye/brain still makes out that they are there... you look and they are not.

This is your mind making what you want to see. Or that you believe to be seeing. It does it with everything, not just vision. This is god to you. The man made up by your brain in your peripheral vision.

 

[qwe]

This is your mind making what you want to see.

i like to say that if our mind is capable of producing all of the subjective reality that we see from electric signals, it's capable of making that subjective universe appear magical. magical thinking permeates our heuristics, and won't go away anytime soon.

 

[suessmayr]

At the end of the day.... Jesus was a fraud, god is a lie, and anyone who believes otherwise is basically just brainwashed and/or crazy.

I mean seriously, its like how sometimes when someone is standing in your peripheral vision, and then they move but your eye/brain still makes out that they are there... you look and they are not.

This is your mind making what you want to see. Or that you believe to be seeing. It does it with everything, not just vision. This is god to you. The man made up by your brain in your peripheral vision.

^ this. In my country religion is tacitly acknowledged as an organised joke and the religious are never really taken seriously; even in school the religious kids are ostracised and taunted. In my opinion this is as it should be. I couldn't imagine living in America.

I don't understand how anyone with even the minutest understanding of human history could possibly believe exclusively in Christ? I mean, I don't see how he is at all preferable to the Olympic gods or to those of Egypt. Not to mention that literally everything that constitutes Christianity is simply and literally stolen from other, earlier religions. It's not even original in it's delusions, just more of the same.

 

[discountsnow]

Anti Christian remarks help no one

It does trouble me when people make anti christian remarks.
Making anti remarks about what another person believes is what the weak do. You do not get kicked from the person in front of you only the person behind you.

 

[suessmayr]

It does trouble me when people make anti christian remarks.
Making anti remarks about what another person believes is what the weak do. You do not get kicked from the person in front of you only the person behind you.

You'll need to explain how there is any weakness about criticising what is metaphysically immature and ethically destructive. In my view it is pretty obviously a sign of enormous strength to act according to what you believe, or to criticise what you see no acceptable reason to believe.

Also you need to remember that Christian criticism and Atheist criticism are typically distinct: the former is always protecting interests, the latter moves from a totally different mindset and is concerned to eliminate what is harmful and dubious.

And Christians, just by existing, are insulting everyone else who is not Christian. It is a fundamental part of your dogma that everyone who is not like you is going to hell; that is a pretty big insult by my standards. You think not only that we will go to hell, but that we deserve to. We on the other hand only claim that you are deluded. And you are.

But practically all of you have been raised as Christians and so there's just no hope of ever really getting through. Atheists would be delighted to be someday emphatically proved wrong, because there is nothing at stake for us. It's totally different with you.

 

[qwe]

Discussing topics such as religion, and politics never end up good. We all have our beleifs and I doubt if anyone of us is gonna budge.

my ideas change very often, in very large ways. you may feel like you're living in a static universe, but the rest of us are passing you by.

Making anti remarks about what another person believes is what the weak do. You do not get kicked from the person in front of you only the person behind you.

this makes absolutely no sense. please rewrite your ideas.

 

[suessmayr]

^ thank you!

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

And Christians, just by existing, are insulting everyone else who is not Christian. It is a fundamental part of your dogma that everyone who is not like you is going to hell

Wrong. This is nowhere in the Christian bible, and is nowhere near a universal belief among Christians.

 

[qwe]

^ how many churches in america decline the idea of hell?

 

[suessmayr]

Yeah wtf? You obviously are pretty badly misinformed. People like you - who twist and personalise religion to suit yourselves - are even worse than dogmatic christians. They at least are sincere and disciplined.

There is no way you can deny hell, and the proposition that non-believers go to hell, without ceasing to be christian. Hell is what allows Heaven to exist; demons allow the existence of angels - without evil, there would be no good, and God would lose his function.

In this way you're either wrong, or not in any true sense a christian. You can choose.

 

[B9]

There is no way you can deny hell, and the proposition that non-believers go to hell, without ceasing to be christian. Hell is what allows Heaven to exist; demons allow the existence of angels - without evil, there would be no good, and God would lose his function.

I'm not religious.

If God were to be equated to abstract mathematical perfection would this mean that any imperfect mathematics rendered perfect mathematics functionless?

 

[aanallein]

I'm not a christian but I'd consider myself spiritual and I wonder a lot at the what-ifs. I don't believe in anything but prefer to bask in my own ignorance..

that being said - I find it hypocritical or imbalanced that Christianity is allowed to suffer so much insult (I mean really, it's pretty fucking absurd how much non christians seem to care, fucking drop it already - we get it), while other religions are mostly not.

In the west:
Do people hate on Buddhism? Nope. But that's pretty understandable.
Do people hate on Hinduism? Not that I've seen at all. But man the idea of social classes and the whole premise of the untouchables sure seems shitty to me.
Do people hate on Islam? (aside from Christians) Not really very much (atleast not publicly) - it is extremely frowned upon to do so.
Do people hate on Judaism? Nope.

If you're going to be anti religion in the form of anti Christian, why not embrace the hate for them all? Oh, because then you'd look like some kind of ignorant asshole and people would call you on your shit. Right.

It's basically become trendy to bash Christianity (atleast here in the US). Jesus is practically a dirty word. It's obviously just social backlash since Christianity dominated here for our immediate rememberable history. I'm sure if we were a former majority Islamic country we'd have the same anti Islamic sentiment.. but w/e. People can act like dicks all they want about other peoples' beliefs and think that they are intellectually superior for doing so.. whatever floats their boats.

 

[moonyham]

Yeah but christianity has been such a scourge on our planet, unlike other religions. Honestly, i think some people just dont get how bad the following of christ and the holy bible has influenced this planet.

 

[Monkeybizness]

Yeah but christianity has been such a scourge on our planet, unlike other religions. Honestly, i think some people just dont get how bad the following of christ and the holy bible has influenced this planet.

this right here !!!! so much god so much holly heaven and hell but they do not give back to the planet destroying it with war and trash twisting religion to ones own means .. i dont think they care about the planet it self WHICH TO ME IS GOD because its what gives us life air and food what lets us exist .. less god talk more humanitarian action i really dont think they care at all because ultimately in their minds they will die go to heave or hell so whats to give ? kinda a shit way to think

RELIGION IT SELF IS BULLSHIT . belief in a higher being is different but organized religion ppl who are religious imo limit them selves to knowledge . NOW the poor followers who let religious leaders eat there brains i feel bad for .. people in this crazy world really want something to hope for or have FAITH in and organized religion and religious leader take advantage of this


my parents where religious when i was small from since i can remember till i was 14-15 i read the bible which in the religion i was involved in you study (actual study of the bible ) since i can remember i questioned religion . why ? who is god? why cant we have contact with him? how is he infinite no beginning he just has always been ? it never made any sense to me .. the fictitious story's which sounded so fake to me.. when maybe i was a realist from a young age but i wasn't buying into the bullshit i need more then a simple JUST BELIEVE

 

[IamMe90]

Yeah but christianity has been such a scourge on our planet, unlike other religions. Honestly, i think some people just dont get how bad the following of christ and the holy bible has influenced this planet.

Are you saying that islam hasn't been a scourge on the planet? Are you myopic or do you just have a fetish for masticating Christianity?

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

Yeah wtf? You obviously are pretty badly misinformed. People like you - who twist and personalise religion to suit yourselves - are even worse than dogmatic christians.

I was raised by two Biblical scholars. I grew up in my parents' circle of friends, almost all of whom were liberal progressives and believing Roman Catholics. I am most certainly not misinformed.

In this way you're either wrong, or not in any true sense a christian. You can choose.

I am neither wrong, and nor do I self-identify as Christian. Feel free to ask me anything, but I'll beg you not to make assumptions or prejudgements. Thanks.

how many churches in america decline the idea of hell?

Most. It's official doctrine in only the most fundamentalist of churches. Hell (the fire and brimstone place) is a folk belief inherited from pagan Middle Eastern and European traditions -- think Hades. It's not a Jewish doctrine, and Jesus never mentioned it.

 

[qwe]

Yeah but christianity has been such a scourge on our planet, unlike other religions. Honestly, i think some people just dont get how bad the following of christ and the holy bible has influenced this planet.

organized religions behave similarly. every ideology has its fair share of blood on its hands. christianity may have more than its fair share, but that's only because it was worshiped in italy at the right time (during the rise of the catholic church).

If you're going to be anti religion in the form of anti Christian, why not embrace the hate for them all? Oh, because then you'd look like some kind of ignorant asshole and people would call you on your shit. Right.

christianity is the focus of many discussions because it is the largest religion and dominates the geographic nexus of wealth (america) of the world. but every atheist i see denouncing religion denounces all religions/"spiritual" ideologies, whether these anti-religion arguments are coming from youtube videos or television or books (as far as i've seen), and they often try to make this point very clear.

moonyham's post being an exception...

Most. It's official doctrine in only the most fundamentalist of churches. Hell (the fire and brimstone place) is a folk belief inherited from pagan Middle Eastern and European traditions -- think Hades. It's not a Jewish doctrine, and Jesus never mentioned it.

the whole point of christianity, like its predecessor religions, is salvation. your comment is flat out wrong... biblical scholars may be ahead of normal religious folk on this issue (i don't know, my parents aren't biblical scholars), but churches indoctrinate the fear of hell into each new generation regardless.

including nearly every denomination in indiana, at least...

 

[Monkeybizness]

^ your right i think im atheist and i disagree with ALL organized religion like i posted earlier