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Bupe A problem: cannot enjoy alcohol while on suboxone

This is bizzare. I take 16 to 24 mg a day of Suboxone and have no problem enjoying some drinks.

The only problem I have is that alcohol triggers me because alcohol and heroin used to be my partners in crime. I would always enjoy the both of them at the same time.
 
Hey everyone, here in france the equivalent of suboxone is subutex.

I also think (for myself of course) to add to what has been already said, that the effects of opiates and alcohol, don't fit together, i can enjoy a drink just for the taste and the social side of it, but if i feel the high of alcohol it kind of gets my op feeling a bit dirty, and i don't appreciate the wellbeing (sorry for my english) that much anymore.

I also find it vicious how sometimes i take op so that i stop my little drinking habbit, and when i have no more op in my candy box, i have the bad habit to grab some booze to forget... i know this is not very sane.
 
HHazard20 said:
maybe cause he wants to get drunk? is your job as moderator to judge what drugs one should and shouldn't be doing? didnt think so.
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No need to be rude, he was just making a comment. CH is one of the good guys.

I tend to agree that alcohol isn't that great - doesn't even make my top 10 list. Considering how bad alcohol is for you (especially drinking on a regular basis) not enjoying it while on subs may be a good thing.
 
^^ what chu talkin about Willis?

alcohol is the best :X

makes my top 5 list fo sho %) (just not with bupe./most opiates.. but mainly bupe.~worst alcohol+opiate combo you could have)

@ OP - you say you piss alot on this combonation? :? I have trouble pissing at all! :!
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I don't see how this is a problem to be honest? Ethanol isn't that great for you anyways.
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I realize you are a mod, and I know you from the past. I used to be a bluelighter under the screen name sp0r something but i forgot all of my log in information and now I am back to greenlighter status as basstoodark . Anyhow, arent drugs like heroin, MXE, and MDPV (just for examples) "not that great for you anyways"? I would think that people with questions about drugs would come here to ask them and not be condemned. Anyhow, captain.heroin I respect you very much and always will for the advice I have got from you in the past so please dont flame me.

Next I am almost certain it is the mu opiod receptor causing the problems. I know I read somewhere that alcohol affects gaba, nmda, opiod, dopamine and others. I believe mu opiod responsible for the warm euphoria one gets from alcohol. So buprenorphine (yes we in usa get subutex too, to the previous poster from france, Im on it now) as an inverse agonist (partial mu agonist full kappa agonist) would probably destroy the euphoria of alcohol. Agreed? Anyone have any info to back this up? Maybe bluelight can be a pioneer on this issue :D
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ps- captain heroin once again I dont want to be on your bad side just please take a breath and consider what I said,. :)
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I use alcohol as well as suboxone daily
Don't really know what you guys are talking about
 
subjective alcohol problem

Bojangles69 said:
Yeh this is absolutely not a problem and I haven't drank in 3+ years due to it.
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congrats on being sober but it is a problem to people who want to go to the club and get a buzz off a few drinks. if you do not find it to be a problem, then why are you posting in this thread. Is this forum based on abstinence from drugs or is it based on harm reduction? I believe it's the second choice.

-basstoodark-
 
Subutex made me quit drinking for that exact reason. I'd fall asleep and wake up with my beer in my lap, soaked.. with the mother of all headaches. Bad combination.
 
The Naloxone in a Suboxone, will inhibit alcohols ability to intoxicate, but bup has a higher BA than naloxone so it's usually a moot point. Maybe, some people absorb just enough of it to make a difference.
For me, the problem w/ mixing alcohol and opiates is that alcohol seems to increase the rate at which i metabolize opiates making me dope sick faster. Tho, I don't like drinking to begin with so it was never a big deal.
 
I always got the same symptoms when i drank on top of a dose of bupe higher than 4mg a day. Now that im uder that taking about 2-3mg a day some of the symptoms of sleepiness and the headaches which were the worst have eased off. im a social drinker but when i drink i like to get drunk and have a good time. the bupe almost made me quit altogether.
 
I have always been a drinker. I've even drank on antabuse a few times. But bupe and alcohol never was a problem for me. It wasn't really the same though. But drinking is what gave me a lot of the energy I lost down the road while I was on bupe.

But I have even heard the opposite. Someone else I know said when he was on bupe, he could drink like a fish, he said like after drinking about a fifth, he's be really sweaty and hot around where his liver is and then after about an hour his drunk would be close to gone. And this only happened he said the first few months while he was on sub. Then when he went back on it, he explained what is happening with most of you. He explained to me what his counselor told him, but I completely forgot what he said.
 
Just realized I haven't had more than one maybe two beers (at a time, every few weeks) since I've been on suboxone. I half attribute it to getting clean, because I made a conscious effort to not drink.

Wow, I didn't realize how many people this happened to. I'm gonna agree with those who say if it happens to you, then its probably a good effect.
 
Isn't it true that they sometimes give Naltrexone to recovering Alcoholics to help curb cravings? Now, I know Naloxone is the drug in Suboxone, but still I wonder if it has anything to do with the nasty side-effects people receive from the combo...? Do people feel the same side-effects when taking Subutex (without the Naloxone)?


P.S. Whoops, sry for bumping back an old post!
 
I definitely experienced this while on suboxone. There must be some action with vasopressin because I peed so much if I drank alcohol on suboxone. I wouldn't even get drunk and I would get horrible hangovers the next morning from being so dehydrated. I would get none of the euphoria and would immediately get a headache.

Once I got lower in dosage I found that it was hit or miss, rarely I could get drunk and not get terrible symptoms. I would have to judge it by how much I was peeing. Eventually alcohol lost all pleasure center associations and I didn't care to drink it anymore. Now that I'm off bupe I can at least get the euphoria from a beer or two, but I haven't gotten drunk.
 
Well, I'm on subs (have been for years) and I have no problem enjoying alcohol. What's my secret? I'm also prescribed Seroquel! (Quite a lot of it, too.)
Believe me, you want alcohol amplified, Seroquel's your friend.
Of course, taking it when you don't need it is dangerous.
If you're not prescribed don't go above 50mg. 25mg should be enough to increase the effects.
Seroquel & alcohol together can easily cause blackouts.
Be responsible, go easy at first, see what your system can handle.

I've woken up only to find waffle batter all over the house because I apparently tried making them during a blackout.
Hard to cook in that situation - my place was a sticky wreck!
 
^ Ugh, I hope I never have to take that terrible stuff again. Seroquel is not at all pleasurable for me, and I'm sure most people would agree. I don't know many people that take Anti-Psychotics for recreation...but hey, whatever floats ur boat!
 
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