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A little help guiding me in the right direction..

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First of all NO this is not a source thread :p
Second of all, yes this is a fucking novel, all that shit, no there isnt really a tldr; dealwithit

Anyway, after a few years of psychadelic hiatus, I have finally discovered the wonder of RC's and the ease of availability and especially quality. I've never personally trusted ANY dealer by their word on what they're selling me is. As far as I am concerned, if you don't grow it, or synthesize it you have no idea what you're truly selling. So the fact that I can find these RCs in nearly pure forms and can accurately control dosages is really very awesome.

My main psychadelic experience has been with mushrooms and MDMA (although I don't consider this to be a psychadelic.. its apparently considered one). Ive had LSD a few times, but it was always bunk, and the one time I believe it was any good I was rolling on mdma so it was hard to discern how heavy the trip was, though the night sky was a kaledoscope of changing color and the walls in the pizza shop were melting. Nonetheless, I don't believe I can source good or real LSD, though I wish I could, and with the prevalence of the NBOMes now, I imagine that nearly impossible task would become really hard.

So all I really have to relate is mushrooms. I can handle 2-3g doses no problem. I always enjoy the introspection after the peaking chaos, but I always wanted more visually. Morphing and patterns emerging were cool, as were the cevs, but they never really evolved even at higher doses. I took 7g's once and had a semi bad experience which I believe kind of marred my mushroom enjoyment from that point.. I was walking in a school field which at the time seemed like clouds and I remember letting my body fall. Out of the corner of my eye I caught what appeared to be a man walking his dog down the street (on the other side of the fence), but at that moment I felt like there were a million of him lining the fence staring at me, I felt crippled, panicked with anxiety, he knew what i was on, he would call the cops, it set of a huge chain of negative emotion that turned my holy shit this is awesome carefree falling down to the clouds of the field into a semi nightmare. At this point I was in a stupor, I lost track of what anything was, where i was, who i was, the time, whether it was night or day.. I remember a car pulling in and thinking "oh shit were busted" it had strange lights seemingly coming out of every direction and all I could think of to describe it was as some sort of dinosaur and I managed to relate this to a sober friend who died laughing at the time.. I was truly way the fuck out of it, my mind was a stew.. honestly it was too much for me. Perhaps with a different setting, but it was just too much.

Now while the trees would go haywire and everythign I perceived was truly skewed, there wasnt really anything.. super visually stimulating, not in the sense of what Ive read from acid and other drugs, and I don't think I could ever get to such a point with mushrooms. Im after OEVs like I get with my eyes closed.. the closest Ive ever gotten was with adding MDMA into the equation. To be honest I feel like the mega-mind-fuck was too distracting for me to really enjoy the true fuckry of my surroundings. They were truly fucked up, but at the point they were truly messed up I was truly too messed up to enjoy them. LSD seems to be the ticket but its out of the question. This is from TIHKAL on the psilocin page in relation to taking 3.5gs of cubensis: "Took a gram to start with, and it started in ten minutes, but not strong enough, so did the other 2.5 grams. Everything was coming at me in waves, boxing me in, the visuals were in waves and in dark earth colors, orange and brown, not the wide spectrum of acid." this pretty much sums up my feelings on mushrooms, everything is pretty dark about it visually unless you close your eyes..

So I stumbled upon 25i-NBOMe and have ordered some and versed myself well on how to dose it properly. I figured the classical 2c-x's were out of the question, when I found out last night that Canada has not banned all of them out right, and I actually have access to 2c-i, d, and e. All three seem to have quite good reviews..

The phenethlyamines seem to really be what I am after from what I have read on these compounds.. but LSD is a tryptamine and it seems most of the tryptamine compounds are analoges or derivitives of psilocin, which I assume (being in mushrooms) will send me more into a mindfuck than a visual adventure, or is the psilocybin more responsible for that mechanism? I know some people feel that the 2c-x's and the nbomes lack the inner introspection that LSD produces even though they give similar visual effects; am I wrong to attribute this quality to the tryptamines in general?

I've picked up 10mg of 25i-nbome, am considering another 10mg of 25c-nbome, and 250mg of 2c-i,e and 500mg of 2c-d, I have access to it for I don't know how long so I feel as if I should stock up.. those quantities will provide me with enough substance for 50+ trips which should quite honestly last me for years to come, and aren't so expensive to the point that even if I absolutely dreaded them I would the monetary loss a true waste. Thats not the focus here anyway.

So basically, I guess, are there any other psychadelic type compounds anyone could point me in the direction of?
 
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I would honestly look into 4-AcO-DMT. All of the RC's suck, to me, they have terrible long-lasting side effects and aren't true psychedelia - most of them anyway, I am generalizing here. 4-ACO however, has its own magical spark signature just as LSD does and is some of most gentle and euphoric (yet incredibly intense visually) stuff I have come across.

Though, you said you don't get good effects from mushrooms - I found 4-aco-DMT to be highly highly visual kind of like DMT visuals, but I also get visuals from mushrooms..(4-aco is psilocetin a psilocybin analogue).. it seems like a more clear-headed and sedating and more euphoric mushromms.
 
Well technically 4-AcO-DMT is a RC as well. Good to know though, I will look into it..

Can you elaborate on the long-lasting side effects?? I assume by 'aren't true psychadelia' you're talking about the general lack of conscious alteration? I've read that with the 2c's and the nbomes that you can in a way feel sober and actually accomplish tasks, and to me that is kind of very intriguing.. but time will tell. I have not yet purchased anything other than the 25i-nbome which should be here either today or tomorrow, but I need to gather some supplies to properly dose first so I doubt I will be able to by this weekend, I don't want to rush it, even though I am quite eager to try..
 
This thread will be closed soon, we can't recommend what you should take. That said, if you're looking for a deep phen. then 2C-E is definitely something you should consider. The tryptamine world is interesting too, but you just have to find out what suits you.
 
Yes, I know its an RC. The only one of value that I've noticed.

By lack of "true psychedaelia" I mean you will be tripping and maybe have a metaphor here and there, but I doubt you will have many cosmic/spiritual experiences or life-shattering realizations, trips involving God/the universe, things of that sort on 2ci or 25i.

By long term side effects, I speak mainly of HPPD. Google it, maybe google HPPD + 2c-i or HPPD +25i (though that one may not have many posts yet as it is new, but as an analogue of 2ci I would assume its got the same effects). I for one am stuck in a permanant (or at least long lasting so far haha) trip, visually from 2c's and mentally from overuse of LSD. But even moderate use of some of the 2c's have caused permenant visual effects for countless numbers of people. I've got friends who never stopped having visuals after just one dose.

Also for some, along with the visual things comes DP/DR.

Not that these are something that must be avoided all together (well, I will never take another RC other than 4-aco) - they are very fun experiances but be very careful with dosage and frequency of use (especially if you are getting that much) and remember these are tools not toys!!
 
^HPPD is not limited to RCs, a friend of mine has had HPPD-effects ever since her first Scletoria (pilocybin truffles) dose
 
Well, perhaps not directly recommend what I should take, but give me an idea of what compounds you might think sound more like what I have described.

The tryptamine world is interesting and seems way more abundant in comparison to the phens as far as availability, which is where I draw a bit of a stalemate wondering which direction to go in..

In the end if its locked, I apologize :/
 
I found that a combo of 2 grams cubes and ~10mgs of 5-MeO-MiPT provided some eye candy with Persian rug patterning with crawling, somewhat similar to a sub-breakthrough of nn-DMT, without significant mind games. I've only tried it once though. I'm fairly certain that LSD is an ergoid (from what i understand, a middle ground for phens and trypts), and I've only had two experiences back in college, one tab each time, but still immensely fun. I feel the pain of your disdain at the prospect of finding legit L. when i really got caught in the possibility of 2c-x compounds, they were nixed a week later by law. Long story shortened, i found the cubes and 5-mipt a very interesting experience with the OEVs that i was seeking, YMMV.
 
^HPPD is not limited to RCs, a friend of mine has had HPPD-effects ever since her first Scletoria (pilocybin truffles) dose

mmm, was he using any other drugs ? that is interesting, I have noticed that mushrooms seem to help mine and have never heard of anyone getting it from just mushrooms (i think I have even seen a study about tribes that used these things weekly and didn't have any issues).... I am sure it could, but I dunno, it seems some of these RC's are just so sloppy at how they hit the receptor that they are much more likely to cause HPPD, or at least a more severe form of it. I for one had no issues with mushrooms or cactus, then once I hit the RC's my brain got fuqhed up. And that includes LSD - while its one of the most beauitiful and amazing and transformative chemicals that exist that shit is no fucking toy!!

I found that a combo of 2 grams cubes and ~10mgs of 5-MeO-MiPT provided some eye candy with Persian rug patterning with crawling, somewhat similar to a sub-breakthrough of nn-DMT, without significant mind games. I've only tried it once though. I'm fairly certain that LSD is an ergoid (from what i understand, a middle ground for phens and trypts), and I've only had two experiences back in college, one tab each time, but still immensely fun. I feel the pain of your disdain at the prospect of finding legit L. when i really got caught in the possibility of 2c-x compounds, they were nixed a week later by law. Long story shortened, i found the cubes and 5-mipt a very interesting experience with the OEVs that i was seeking, YMMV.

Interesting... I noticed that a combo of low dose cactus and low dose mushrooms felt like a low dose of LSD.

Well, perhaps not directly recommend what I should take, but give me an idea of what compounds you might think sound more like what I have described.

The tryptamine world is interesting and seems way more abundant in comparison to the phens as far as availability, which is where I draw a bit of a stalemate wondering which direction to go in..

In the end if its locked, I apologize :/

I'd suggest looking into the tryptamines if you must, the phenethylamine analgoues seem to be lacking in depth and true psychedaelia most of them - maybe not 2c-e...

Also, if you are interested in legal phens, you could always try some cactus :-) one of the most valuable plant teachers out there! (not to mention one of the best classic psychedelics)
 
Yes, I know its an RC. The only one of value that I've noticed.

By lack of "true psychedaelia" I mean you will be tripping and maybe have a metaphor here and there, but I doubt you will have many cosmic/spiritual experiences or life-shattering realizations, trips involving God/the universe, things of that sort on 2ci or 25i.

By long term side effects, I speak mainly of HPPD. Google it, maybe google HPPD + 2c-i or HPPD +25i (though that one may not have many posts yet as it is new, but as an analogue of 2ci I would assume its got the same effects). I for one am stuck in a permanant (or at least long lasting so far haha) trip, visually from 2c's and mentally from overuse of LSD. But even moderate use of some of the 2c's have caused permenant visual effects for countless numbers of people. I've got friends who never stopped having visuals after just one dose.

Also for some, along with the visual things comes DP/DR.

Not that these are something that must be avoided all together (well, I will never take another RC other than 4-aco) - they are very fun experiances but be very careful with dosage and frequency of use (especially if you are getting that much) and remember these are tools not toys!!

Well thanks for the insight. I don't plan any overuse maybe once a month if that, but I do realize everything carries risks. How bad are your permanent effects? I have a friend who binged on mushrooms for months on end who has said hes never felt the same but never really elaborated much, but myself personally I have found that since I did mushrooms the very first time I have been able to make things 'move' while sober if I stare and kinda lose focus.. ever play guitar hero and then look away and find the room slide out from under you? I think its partially that kind of effect too.. but I dont know. Would like to know more about your personal experience with this though

At the moment, I'd say I am more after a 'fun' time than any life shattering realizations or what not. At the moment anyway, I know from experience mushrooms are a very good tool in this regard, however I am after something a little less heady.
 
If you're looking at a good introduction to tryptamines something like 4-HO-MET would be your best bet. At any rate, you just have a lot of reading to do. I read up on RCs for nearly a year before I felt confident enough in my abilities to choose something that suits me. If your body is right for 25i-NBOMe though, then it's a nice place to start. As long as you volumetrically dose and start LOW, not much can go wrong. Beware though that tolerance doesn't come back properly until after 2 weeks.

Yeah, magickduck, a shit load of MDMA at the time. I always suspect it to be a bad contributor to HPPD (returned to MDMA last week, HPPD is back full force) but I don't feel it's something that triggers HPPD (never had it before using psychs)
 
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Here check out some of my threads on the subject:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...hanges-Rewiring-of-Brain-by-psychedelic-drugs
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/676419-Mass-Psychedelic-User-Delusion-Denial

Also, to reiterate, check out some peruvian torch cactus, I think it'd be a good balance for what you are looking for - healthy, fun (oh so fun), gentle and patient (very mild mentally similar to the 2c's but with more depth and insights) and a powerful growth tool. It contains the chem that all these phen RC's are based on.

If you're looking at a good introduction to tryptamines something like 4-HO-MET would be your best bet. At any rate, you just have a lot of reading to do. I read up on RCs for nearly a year before I felt confident enough in my abilities to choose something that suits me.

Yeah, magickduck, a shit load of MDMA at the time. I always suspect it to be a bad contributor to HPPD (returned to MDMA last week, HPPD is back full force) but I don't feel it's something that triggers HPPD (never had it before using psychs)

It was probably the combination, it damages serotonin axons and psilocybin is a serotonin analogue - perhaps this had something to do with it... for some reason (besides the whole organic thing - as there are dangerous plants and safe chems) i doubt mushrooms on their own would cause HPPD unless seriously misused. I feel like some of these organic psychs seem to fine-tune my brain chemistry afterwards, while some of these RC's throw all my recptors out of wack.
 
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If you're looking at a good introduction to tryptamines something like 4-HO-MET would be your best bet. At any rate, you just have a lot of reading to do. I read up on RCs for nearly a year before I felt confident enough in my abilities to choose something that suits me.

I think the hardest part in all of it is the fact that everything is anecdotal and they all can kind of give similar experiences~ When you say something like do you mean one of the 4-ho-x compounds or a 4-x-MET? I mean.. there are really so damn many of them :o
I spent a while reading about the 25i-nbome after someone I knew on another forum mentioned it.. I am fairly certain that is something I am looking for. I had always wanted to try 2c-b or 2c-i years ago but I never knew how to get access to it, and I was never going to trust some dealer.. plus I was young and dumb.

But yeah, I guess I have a lot more reading in general to do.
 
As a seasoned veteren, lover of all things Shulgin, and crazy head who continues to value the synthetics...I say FUCK the synthetics. Leave them to crazy ass MOFOs like me. Psilocybin/psilocin, DMT, mescaline, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-Ho-DMT, and some good, fresh Rivea corymbosa (ok, never did seed of the virgin but taking it on the word of those who know) are all one should ever need. Between the spectrum of the magic plants you can have every type of trip imaginable. It is SOOOO easy to grow some shrooms, shit now all you have to do is open a bag and they come already spawned. Get some yopo beans and have a nice, smokable recreational psychedelic, or extract for some deeper work. Mescaline is mescaline, it brings us down to earth, and 5-MeO-DMT and DMT are the sacraments.

That's all one should ever need.
 
As a seasoned veteren, lover of all things Shulgin, and crazy head who continues to value the synthetics...I say FUCK the synthetics. Leave them to crazy ass MOFOs like me. Psilocybin/psilocin, DMT, mescaline, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-Ho-DMT, and some good, fresh Rivea corymbosa (ok, never did seed of the virgin but taking it on the word of those who know) are all one should ever need. Between the spectrum of the magic plants you can have every type of trip imaginable. It is SOOOO easy to grow some shrooms, shit now all you have to do is open a bag and they come already spawned. Get some yopo beans and have a nice, smokable recreational psychedelic, or extract for some deeper work. Mescaline is mescaline, it brings us down to earth, and 5-MeO-DMT and DMT are the sacraments.

That's all one should ever need.

Amen. Well said. Especially regarding the mesc :) All those 2c's are abominations!!
 
Well I wouldn't go that far! Actually, 2C-B, 2C-E, and 2C-T-7 are pretty uniquely awesome but still......other than 2C-B the rest just seem to get most folks into trouble who don't make a career out of this sort of thing.
 
2c-b while I noticed it still had the hppd effects and such oh my what an amazing compound!!! pure bliss! 4-aco and 2c-b are the only Rc's worth a damn. Though 2c-b was still a bit shallow in effects it was more like MDMA than a psychedelic.
 
Lol, define trouble if not making a career out of this sort of thing? Aside from the HPPD type issues (I am assuming by career you mean, not giving a fuck what sides you may end up with)

I feel where you are coming from, I really do, but to me, chemicals are chemicals, whether theyre natural or synthetic.. lsd is the most widely used and known and refereed to of all the psychedelics and its synthetic. I like the fact that I have a greater control over my dosage (within batches). If I know that 19mg was a little too much, the next time round I'll take 16 and see whatsup kind of deal. With plants and natural stuff its really a crapshoot as to the exact quantities youre getting. I dont know how to get DMT, I know I can get cactus though, and as far as shrooms go, yeah theyre easy as hell to grow and I'll probably grow some when I want to go for them again! lol. Smokeables are out of the question at the present as I live in a basement apartment and can't smoke indoors. At night I'll head out to smoke some pot around the corner in the park if I feel the need, but Id rather not get into a psychedelic mess like that.. While I am looking into synthetics, I very much do like to play things safe as far as my trip goes. My one experience I shared above taught me a lot about my surroundings and what I personally prefer, though I do realize that thats in regards to mushrooms and doesnt speak for every other substance.

2c-b is banned pretty much universally though no?

I have to look up more of the canadian law.. but I don't think its legal :/
 
One day I'll have a McKenna-like garden full of entheogens and I'll be making my own extracts. Before I even have that ability I'll gladly take all the fun and insights the RCs have given me. I also like the ability to just list the effects I want and find a chemical, or a combination of 2, and get exactly what I want.

You're right on the Mescaline though. It's perfect for what OP wants, but tough to maintain a good supply and takes some work to get a dose out.
 
Ahhh now, MDMA is one of the BEST psychedelics there is. I won't have that debate again but come on, MDMA psychotherapy. Calling MDMA 'not a psychedelic' was really an advertising move for the 70s and mind 80s generation...an idea of Shulgin's carried on by the therapists that used it, for marketing and PR back in the day. Of course it is a mind expanding substance.
 
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