A grieving mom's message (mystery substance?)

I doubt it's 2C-E as well. First of all, as mentioned, even after taking insane(several hundred mg) doses of it, it turned out fine. All the other 2C-x have the same safety profile, only some of the 2C-T-x might be fatal in high doses, at least T7 is. It makes me laugh though that they're confusing 2C-E, and synthetic Heroin(probaply Fentanyl). Comparing psychedelics to opioids, how ignorant can you be as a mortician?
 
But since his death, his friends have scoured the Internet and think that the so-called powdered acid, may have been synthetic heroin.
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um, what sites are these guys on?
A phenethylamine wouldn't feel anything like LSD
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it would to someone unexperienced. but these people do seem not-too-bright
and how would anyone taking what they thought was LSD be taking a dose as high as you'd need to take to overdose on 2C-E?
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maybe he was going on the same sites as his friends' "investigation" sites :p
 
Ham-milton said:
Are you kidding? You blame the R/C companies selling it? How the hell can you do that? They would never sell it to anyone whom they know will be using it on humans. Any mention of human use is the fastest way to get blacklisted from these sites.

People who use drugs stupidly are the blame. That's it.
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The research chemical companies know what they're doing, undeniably. All you'd have to to stop most of the underage abuse is require a form of university and/or state issued ID and a form for the buyer to indicate the proposed use of the compounds they are ordering. It's really as simple as that; if the companies before Web Tryp had done this they probably would have had a reasonable defense, but the jury knew what was going on. Selling dangerous chemicals to anyone with a credit card is blatent disregard for the safety of the ignorant; just because it's semi-legal does not mean it's ethical.

The people who ate the chemicals are the cause of their own deaths, yes, but most of those deaths could easily have been prevented by a few safety measures from the company. It's this sort of thing that schedules various compounds and keeps people who actually want to do investigative research on them from ever being able to obtain them.
 
Nickatina said:
Ehhhh you don't think that if you were trying to explain one of many research chemicals to someone you wouldn't call it powdered acid?
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because i love perpetuating public and professional ignorance :\
 
and lol, synthetic heroin =/


because people would really be bothered to make heroin out of anything OTHER than Opium -_-
 
Biphasic said:
The research chemical companies know what they're doing, undeniably. All you'd have to to stop most of the underage abuse is require a form of university and/or state issued ID and a form for the buyer to indicate the proposed use of the compounds they are ordering. It's really as simple as that; if the companies before Web Tryp had done this they probably would have had a reasonable defense, but the jury knew what was going on. Selling dangerous chemicals to anyone with a credit card is blatent disregard for the safety of the ignorant; just because it's semi-legal does not mean it's ethical.

The people who ate the chemicals are the cause of their own deaths, yes, but most of those deaths could easily have been prevented by a few safety measures from the company. It's this sort of thing that schedules various compounds and keeps people who actually want to do investigative research on them from ever being able to obtain them.
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If it wasn't for these people no one would have the opportunity. The only reason they can possibly exist is by putting up extensive disclaimers saying don't eat it. If they gave any indication that they knew what it was going to be used for they'd be shut down instantly.

It is the ignorant persons responsibility to ensure that they know what they're doing. Should a dealer not sell heroin because someone might OD on it? How is it any more ethical?

If we want any drugs to be available we have to rely on individual responsibility- that is a key concept this nation has been founded on.

The only one who fucked up was a retard who didn't bother to actually think about what he was doing. Yeah, too bad he died, but the blame lies entirely in his hands.

(And I dunno where you're from, but there aren't many CC Companies issuing cards to minors- meaning that they'd have to purchase with a stolen card. The government has said that for porn sites a CC# is enough for age verification. I don't see how this is any different.)
 
And regarding knowing "end use" details:

The tobacco and ethanol industries have known for nearly a century that a statistical percentage of their customers will die from using their product, yet ethics has not stopped them from selling their products nor are they (for the most part) held responsible for these deaths.
 
Biphasic said:
Selling dangerous chemicals to anyone with a credit card is blatent disregard for the safety of the ignorant; just because it's semi-legal does not mean it's ethical.
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if it was legal enough that they could advertise it's for personal consumption, and thus include appropriate safety information like legal drugs come with (aka, how to dose, dose ranges, risk of overdose levels, what not to mix with, allergy crosses, etc) then the deaths would have been averted

so the problem isn't with the suppliers (they dont put those directions in or else they would go to jail) the problem is with the prohibitionist policies of the state
 
qwe said:
if it was legal enough that they could advertise it's for personal consumption, and thus include appropriate safety information like legal drugs come with (aka, how to dose, dose ranges, risk of overdose levels, what not to mix with, allergy crosses, etc) then the deaths would have been averted

so the problem isn't with the suppliers (they dont put those directions in or else they would go to jail) the problem is with the prohibitionist policies of the state
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And retarded end users.

There will always be people who have to try something moronic and pay dearly for it.
 
^"There will always be people who have to try something moronic and pay dearly for it."

not denying that. im just saying, prohibition makes this worse. pushing something underground increases misinformation and decreases vital life saving information
 
The_Idler said:
because i love perpetuating public and professional ignorance :\
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Well what I'm thinking is that "powdered acid" was taken out of context by whoever heard it. Like,

This is 2-ct-7
What?
It's like powdered acid!

I just don't think it's that far out there ...
 
Hmm I'm guessing a research chem of some sort. My first guess was somebody straight poisoned him, either to make money off him or for revenge.
I don't know jack about him except what was in the article. It said he drank, smoked weed and did coke. Does not sound like someone who could score crystal acid. I've known lots of people who sold sheets etc and I've never even heard someone claim they could get crystal acid.. and enougth to od on? I think anyone who would have access to crystaline acid would know better almost for certain.

The fact they said he had seizures makes me think that it was a research chem and not just someone ripping him off.

Its just speculation tho and regardless its a bummer whenever someone that young dies for no good reason.. I feel for the family esp his mother and the younger half brother and sister.. thats gotta be so rough.
 
It wouldn't take much crystal to kill someone- a line you'd do for cocaine could easily be enough, especially if it was a 'fat' one.

It It would be really fucking expensive, though.

I'm sure it was a research chem, too.
 
Yeah Rc's..... I personally don't like them.... I know some of them are fun to people but I just don't trust these random chemicals. Pharm companies spend millions and take thousands of hours to test chemicals and STILL have random side effects/fuckups and we're talking some random powders. Oh well.

LOL at the fentanyl guess....... by god I would cut a nut out to get a kilo of fent.
 
Oy vey, it was hard to read that article with all the eye rolling I couldn't stop myself from engaging in 8) ;)

And what the hell makes them think it was 'synthetic heroin'!? An OD of that would have knocked him on his ass unconcious, not walking around the next day trying to give away all his shit.
 
its couldve been 2 drugs combined causing the reaction

what about if they had a couple beers and it turned out the be a 2c-t-X - that could easily be deadly
 
citizenuzi said:
Yeah Rc's..... I personally don't like them.... I know some of them are fun to people but I just don't trust these random chemicals. Pharm companies spend millions and take thousands of hours to test chemicals and STILL have random side effects/fuckups and we're talking some random powders. Oh well.

LOL at the fentanyl guess....... by god I would cut a nut out to get a kilo of fent.
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Yeah, it's certainly possible there will be random fuck ups with these chems, but it's fairly unlikely.

THey're all such close analogues of eachother that what you'd expect from one you'd expect from another.
 
Biphasic said:
Until illegitimate Canadian chemical companies stop selling strongly active psychopharmaceuticals in bulk to anyone with a credit card online, this sort of this is going to keep happening.
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Either the dealer didn't know what it was, or he didn't know what it was. This isn't caused by companies that sell rc's online, its caused by people who don't know what they're in for and think every white powder needs to be snorted in huge lines. I see your point, absolutely don't get me wrong, but no company killed that kid. If he had known was it was and researched properly he may have been okay if in fact it was a rc. It's just ignorance, probably some arrogance from "killer", and an unfortunate mistake that ended in a teenagers death. Nobody can really be blamed besides whoever sold him it and himself.

and laff at C2E or whatever it was, its incredible that all of the information on these drugs are a mouse click away but government officials just can't seem to figure it out. I can definitely say that the DEA most likely has no knowledge of google :\


edit: for all anyone knows, it could have been a suicide.
 
I hate to say it but I have been hearing of RCs floating around a few different circles of average younger people lately.
This might be one of the first of many to come disaster reports in the media that have RCs in them.
Few more of these and the DEA will have material for a scheduling case..:|
 
What exactly is "synthetic heroin"? Wouldn't that mean that there is natural heroin somewhere? Sure wish i had a heroin tree in my yard.
 
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