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A friend's abuse

I would definitely confront him. I don't agree with the 'let him learn the hard way' approach. Somethings are not meant to be learned the hard way. When people have lost perspective on their lives, it's up to those around them to look out for their best interests until they get their head back on their shoulders. I'm sure there are a lot of people around BL that wish somebody would have stopped them before they had to learn the hard way.
 
Just to add I knew better and had done the research before I started smashing MDMA every weekend. To be honest with you, the only reason that I gave myself for rolling every weekend was that everyone else who I rolled with would do it every weekend but I would only see these people on the weekend. I thought, these people seem fine and they do it every week, sometimes two nights in a row, and they redose along with their heavy doses so I thought fuck it if they are ok I am.

It wasnt until I started realising that contrary to what these people told me that they never suffered any problems, this was whilst they were rolling so they were already in a state of bliss (not that it would have been much do their their abuse) so they would have been in the moment and ignored how they felt off the drug, or simply denied it because they didnt want to believe how fucked up they were from their abuse which I found a simple meet up with them or seeing them out somewhere off the drug they gave off the impression of someone in a deep depression or with serious issues. Some however, did admit that they felt anxiety and depression and they thought it could be from MDMA.

Anyway, moral of the story, any weekend roller/e-tard/current MDMDA abuser that denies they have any anxiety/depression or issues that correlate with MDMA abuse is either one full of shit, or two a very lucky fucker...for now. I dare you to try spend time with one of those in denial e-tards whilst they are off the drug.
 
Theres not much you can do man, at least thats what it seems like for me. I constantly inform my friends about the dangers of abusing MDMA and other drugs. For the most part they seem to agree and it seems like they won't abuse them. Even those very close to me and who I speak about the dangers to most often, have abused MDMA at some point. I've only had one or two smart friends follow the rules of taking drugs in moderation.

In the beginning I thought my friends could take drugs responsibly and that they cared about the safety and purity of their substance. So I gave them the hookup. But now I realize most don't care about moderation or the safety of their substance, so now I let them find it on their own. Most of my friends will buy molly without question and binge through out the night. So now I feel no responsibility in keeping them safe except to educate and let what happen, happen. All the people around me have heard my lectures on moderation and drug safety, so now I let them decide for themselves. And its obvious that in the end of the day they just want to get fucked up.

It sucks bro, but its reality. Most drug users don't give a shit about moderation or drug safety. Your friend who takes MDMA every weekend will not be convinced until its already too late. You have already educated him, now let him make the choice. If it comes back to bite him just be there to support him.
 
"I told you so" :\

hate having to tell that to people. kinda sucks, but not much you can do. the worst part is that when it happens, they cant deal with the consequences of their actions and go right back into the cycle of addiction and abuse. for example, one of my buddies was a coke addict for years, even to the point where he sucked a dick for some coke. went through long periods of depression, anxiety, paranoia, etc... then started rolling. warned him about the consequences because this was in about the third (and so far, worst) month of coming down from my mdma abuse. so the dude takes 3 points a week for a while, starts taking a few points on weekdays and then during sxsw, took some points and a tab one night, .8 the next, then 2 tabs the day after. dirty ass tabs. still keeps rolling on upwards of a few points here and there and I just see it taking control of him and his actions. got sucked in and cant find a way out. sucks, but drugs aren't for the weak minded that's for damn sure.

i may as well provide a little personal history of how i came to my several months of hell resulting from substance abuse. I was more into coke than mdma early on and I was huge into LSD for a bit less than a year. did it many times, some extreme doses and then I had an ego death experience in the middle of the summer, and they both kinda stopped. I had rolled before a few times but never got that into it. my buddy manages to find someone who got this 5 gram rock of some dank shit from Europe, and took about .35-.4 the first time and holy shit! up and away I went, and kept doing it over and over. responsible doses though after that crazy night, almost never more than 1-2 points.

but then this weekend came along when me and my buddy wanted to have another trip to start off the school year. this changed everything for good. rolled one night on .2, then took 5 doses of some dirty "acid" along with 2-3 more points the next night. this "acid" (suspected DOB or BDF at this point) was going well I guess and nothing seemed really wrong until the third day of the trip came and I was still tripping balls. did some research, and narrowed it down to the two above. felt my arms and legs going numb from the outside in and felt a pinching somewhere in the middle, and felt my head pulsing. at this point I checked myself into ICU and they had to drug me the fuck up on a shit ton of sedatives, benzos, and whatever else just would be able to get me to sleep (I was running on around 90+ hours, and still couldn't sleep). finally was able to sleep, got up and felt much, much better, as i was convinced that i wasn't going to die at this point. still tripped a bit for 2 more days, but after that drugs weren't the same. took a few tabs of E at a Pretty Lights show in September, acid at a bassnectar show in October, and rolled one more time in November, and none of it worked the same as it once did.

several months of hell on earth resulted from my ignorance and stupidity. in writing this, im basically just trying to show how easy it is to slip into it, and how often we have to learn the hard way. understanding now that the drugs will never work the same as they once did, i have no desire to ever slip down that path again. i smoke the occasional bud, drink the occasional beer, and take a few prescriptions when prescribed to do so, but that's it. the peak during drug abuse is often very short lived. only lasted a year for me. on that peak you feel invincible. thoughts of OD and such NEVER slip through your mind. neither does the thought of possibly being a straight up junkie. i would always say i used to "enhance the experience." but that enhancement was for every experience. coming down from the peak isn't a gentle decline either. its more like falling off of a cliff at least for me.

people in general often refuse to admit to the fact that they are straight junkies. often saying "i only use for the experience" or whatever the fuck they say. then i go to them and say, "but you just had the experience the other day, didn't you?" denial is everywhere from these people. people have to fall off that cliff and hit absolute rock bottom often times to wake the fuck up, reassess their lives, and readjust. I mean shit, just saw some random guy OD at a show a few hours ago. happens all the time, and either they will readjust, or fall back in to the cycle over and over till they die. and that's the nasty world of addiction my friend. you kill the drug habbit or the drug habbit kills you. plain and simple.

sorry for the novel-length post but one of the many qualities I possess as a result of my abuse is the tendency to ramble, especially when tired. hope you guys can make sense of this. as for your buddy, all i can say is to tell him that the magic loss can happen in an instant. it isn't always a slow decline. hope all goes well :)
 
I had 2 nights in a row with about 300mg each night of some nice enough mdma... I never had a comedown worse than it was hard to sleep and I noticed I was paranoid as shit (the 2nd day, 1 day I had no comedown but an afterglow instead). For 5 hours ago I was flying on the waves of heaven, now I'm trying to sleep in the bed in some crappy position.
Later on I started to cry randomly while thinking about stuff with my familiy (father has OCD and lives at home etc) and It kind of made me more sad than usual.. dunno if this had anything to do with mdma use.. but im 100% now, if not 110% thanks to MDMA :) haha

Heave abuse must lead to much, much harder negative effects (yes, mdma has plenty) and I would think nobody really understands that feeling until they've been abusing for a while and then STOP. When you stop using is when the negative effects will stack up until you get better. MDMA is heaven but just picture how bad it can make you feel, when it can make you feel THAT good... just think about that for a sec.. then maybe ur friend will stop abusing
 
So I am reluctant so say I introduced a friend into the miracle substance known as MDMA. Before I gave it to him, I explained how it is one of, if not THE, worst drug(s) to abuse & that he should only do it once a month at the absolute MAX. He told me he would abide by that & he took it. Obviously he had a great time (he said it was one of the best nights of his life). Now a few weekends later I find out he has been doing it every weekend since then. I tried to tell him about all the inevitable problems he will face after abuse & he refuses to believe them, saying he only feels a little drained for a day after using it. How do you stop someone from abusing this drug even after informing them of their future problems? I want to help him before its too late & he actually experiences something serious. I feel somewhat responsible as I was the first one to turn him on to it.
That's exactly how I started unfortunately.

Some people need to learn the hard way. When he starts to notice multiple week long comedowns, he might rethink what you said to him.
I ignored my friends and found out the hard way. I suffered from years of intense depression, random crying, paranoia, speech problems and panic attacks. Couldn't hold down a job. Still not 100% but I'm improving.
 
What is with kidz getting addicted to MDMA these days? How the fuck do you even get addicted to MDMA? Its not very addictive at all. Im not the only person that thinks that either. Of all the drugs to abuse that has got to be the worst for sure. He will start to get bad comedowns soon. Then he will eventually lose the magic. Unless you can get him on BL and get him to read some of the shit on here.

Im not saying that i didnt abuse like a lot of people on here but addiction to MDMA is something that doesnt seem possible to me. But hey, i guess everyone is different. I too regret abusing MDMA. I wish i would have been more careful with it. I just wasnt educated enough before. Such a shame that it was to late for me and many others on here. But it doesnt HAVE to be that way with your friend. Its not to late for him. Get him on here or talk to him!
 
People need to be left to live their own life, fuck we only get one.

Too many idiots in this world want to tell others how to live. Too many people on this little planet and too many fucking rules, regulation, laws, and legislation.

Lead by example or stfu imo.

Peace & love brothers & sisters.
 
What is with kidz getting addicted to MDMA these days? How the fuck do you even get addicted to MDMA? Its not very addictive at all. Im not the only person that thinks that either. Of all the drugs to abuse that has got to be the worst for sure. He will start to get bad comedowns soon. Then he will eventually lose the magic. Unless you can get him on BL and get him to read some of the shit on here.

Im not saying that i didnt abuse like a lot of people on here but addiction to MDMA is something that doesnt seem possible to me. But hey, i guess everyone is different. I too regret abusing MDMA. I wish i would have been more careful with it. I just wasnt educated enough before. Such a shame that it was to late for me and many others on here. But it doesnt HAVE to be that way with your friend. Its not to late for him. Get him on here or talk to him!

It's called psychologically addiction... usually happens when you have a very big party/rave all night each week lifestyle. Usually only happens in big citys where the nightlife are really big. Trust me, it becomes harder then you might think to keep your use moderate when everyone around you is popping pills right in your face, you just have to have a strong will power and not go out each weekend, or at least mix up your drug choices. There's all kinds of reasons for a person to abuse MDMA, even when he's aware of all the HR information.

No matter what people say to you, some people will always push themselves until it's to late, or until it blows up in their face. Just like someone who never used MDMA doesn't understand the feeling, the same goes to a fellow MDMA user who never had a nasty comedown. Feelings are stronger than words.
 
MDMA still releases dopamine and not everyone will be getting clean MDMA, most often there will be meth/amp or some dopaminergic however little or much its cut in. I was getting clean MDMA and it is still a, fuck I WANT to feel like this all the time so yeah psycological addiction in the sense that you just would love to roll all the time, not as muhc as amp or meth though.
 
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