A friend nearly dies from 80 mg of 4-FA

[cathinone_king]

Not long ago a friend (We'll just call him D) nearly died from what we think was the 80 mg of 4-FA he took. We both took the same dose. I had no negative effects from the 4-FA whatsoever, all I got was the usual speedy euphoria. 4-FA was the only thing either of us took that day. No alcohol or anything.

So we both took two caps at 6:00 pm. It was weighed out perfectly with my expensive milligram scale and they were put into 40 mg capsules. We could feel the effects within about 30 minutes. We decided to watch a movie. Another 30 minutes went by and D began to act very strange. The words he was saying didn't make any sense, he wasn't able to put together any sentences. He was experiencing (what I would call) temporary black out psychosis. He was also having convulsions and ended having a mild seizure.

We rushed him to the E.R. immediately. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with him at first. But eventually they were able to stabilize him. D is definitely what I would consider a risk-taking badass who dearly cares about the RC scene so when they asked him if he took any substances he replied "no". Luckily, he regained a clear head and was acting normal again within a few hours. D has had some trouble with blood-clots in the past so I'm convinced that was the reason he reacted so negatively from such a small dose of 4-FA. The weird thing is, D has never had this problem with any other type of stimulant. (or anything for that matter.) D has taken many different similar stimulants in the past so this really was quite a surprise.

Now it is possible that his blood-clots just happened to have problems shortly after he took the 4-FA but I highly doubt it. He hadn't had any problems with the blood-clots for over 2 years. I searched pretty hard, but couldn't find any similar experiences from anyone taking 4-FA. One person did mention a seizure on a thread, but that retard took over a gram of 4-FA with a combination of MXE so I wouldn't count that. This was only 80 mg's!!

My big question is what do you guys think caused this? Was it the 4-FA or just a simple coincidence?

 

[cathinone_king]

So no one has any info or even an opinion? Surprising

 

[chinky]

how are we supposed to know?

i dont even know what 4FA is..but im not suprised really. i mean your taking fuckin RCs man, they are not real and regulated drugs(weell they are real but you know)..everyone just reacts differently to different drugs..look at the people who tweak out and do all that weird shit on spice. ive never had anything negative happen to me while taking spicve except once when i had a super strong blend and took 2 bong rips back to back when i should have took 1 and it kind of wigged me out and felt like minor trippy feeling but i knew whta was going on and i was able to calm myself..aside from that nothing negative has come from it but if you read what people write about and they make it seem like a fuckin hardcore drug when really its not

 

[Welderman]

I never tried the spice, but I heard the buzz only lasts a few minutes. How long does it last Chinky?

 

[MemphisX3]

i will never understand people who get weirded out when they have strange effects from an RC.....ITS A FUCKING RESEARCH CHEMICAL. they make these things in a lab and send them out with minimal study...and people want to ask why someone has a strange reaction....god knows what the chemical actually was, we sure as shit dont so no one here can help you.

 

[Tommyboy]

Side effects like these would be discovered during the testing phase of the drug if it was going through the proper steps of a legitimate drug being marketed. If too many people experienced that side effect then it wouldn't pass the trial phase, and if only a very small percentage of people experienced it then maybe it would pass but would have that listed as a side effect.

However, the RC market is not legitimate, and it's people like you and your friend that are the guinea pigs for that drug, so you find out the hard way. There's no way for us to know what caused this to happen with your friend, and your best way of knowing would have been if he had been honest with the doctors and told them what he had taken.

 

[Welderman]

I would rather take my chances buying ("real") drugs from some stranger in a sketchy place then trust some chemical bought off the Internet. Maybe I'm just old school and don't know what I'm missing out on. That's why baskin Robbins sells 31 flavored of ice cream. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[chinky]

^ im glad everyone agreed with what i said about not bein g suprised the guy tweaked out, you never know whats in those RCs

I never tried the spice, but I heard the buzz only lasts a few minutes. How long does it last Chinky?

it depends really how good the blend is..for alot of them they can last an hour or so but some bring on heavy munchies and oncev you munchie out the buzz kinda goes away..i found that out actually after smoking a real strong blend and having them weird trippy effects and taking a sip of my koolaid and i dont know if it was the sugar or water or whatever but it almost instatly brought me back to normal and left me with a good high

ive also had some blends that are weak and barely lasted 15-20min..the best ive ever had was actually just the pure powder..i bought a homemade blend from this guy and as a sample he gave me like a half gram, maybe even a fulol gram of the pure chemical powder for free. i actually sat on it for a while cause i wasnt sure on really how to use it until i did some reasarch and figured i could just smoke it off of foil...so i put a little bit of this powder(i took a pocketknife and dipped the tip in and used whatever what was on the tip, so not very much) and i added a couple drops of water and spread it around nd let it dry and then smoked it off the foil.

it was by far the best and cleanest spice high i ever had. it was the high closest to the real thing that i have tried since i began using the blends 2years ago(probation)..the only problem is since i didnt try the pure powder for a good month after i got it and that it lasted for so long afterwards i ended up losing the guys number and was never able to find it to buy more. but literally that little gram or half gram of pure powder got me high daily for a few months and i still have a little left that ive been saving bc it was so good

 

[Termino]

Strange reaction. I've used 4-FA, 4-FMA and 2-FA without any negative reactions. But then everyone's different.

 

[rickolasnice]

I'd hazard a guess and say it's highly likely 4-FA had very little to do with your friends blood clot..

How old is friend? Healthy? Smoke?

 

[brutus]

i will never understand people who get weirded out when they have strange effects from an RC.....ITS A FUCKING RESEARCH CHEMICAL. they make these things in a lab and send them out with minimal study...and people want to ask why someone has a strange reaction....god knows what the chemical actually was, we sure as shit dont so no one here can help you.

I would have to agree completely with you, especially regarding stimulant research chemicals.

Also the OP called his friend, "a risk taking badass." There's nothing badass about that, if anything, that's more a dumbass.

 

[Swain]

80mg of 4fa should not twak someone out dude. ive shot 100mg plenty of times iwth no tolerance. then again i might have been shooting dehydrated horse cum for all iknow.. maybe it was apvp ro some shit 80mg would fuck you over with that garbage.. honestly ive tried a bunch of the different shit available (shooting it al of course, 4fa, 4emc 4mec apvp, its all fucking shit. to get any positive/high/eupohoria you cross into territories wehere side effecst are dangerous.

The last shit i enjoyed in the rc world was shooting methylone and 4mmc. i will say though that butylone is kinda ok to shoot if you have good dope.

badass man!!@! so fucking badass.

 

[rollinstoner]

I never understood why people take these RC's. It seems very desperate and disgusting allowing yourself to become a guinea pig for a newly invented chemical for the sake of getting high.

 

[Nately's Whore]

how are we supposed to know?

i dont even know what 4FA is..but im not suprised really. i mean your taking fuckin RCs man, they are not real and regulated drugs(weell they are real but you know)..everyone just reacts differently to different drugs..look at the people who tweak out and do all that weird shit on spice. ive never had anything negative happen to me while taking spicve except once when i had a super strong blend and took 2 bong rips back to back when i should have took 1 and it kind of wigged me out and felt like minor trippy feeling but i knew whta was going on and i was able to calm myself..aside from that nothing negative has come from it but if you read what people write about and they make it seem like a fuckin hardcore drug when really its not

All the information to argue that RC's are any more dangerous than black market drugs is available on this page if one has the will to look. The fluroinated amphet analogs have been around for a LONG fucking time. In this case I'd just call it a fluke (IE allergic reaction) or a dosage issue or a purity issue, even.

No one will know,. I don't care for the cannibinoid 'rc's' simply because their safety profile is so low and so I've never done them and can't comment.

 

[Tommyboy]

All the information to argue that RC's are any more dangerous than black market drugs is available on this page if one has the will to look.

Did you mean to link us to a page, or were you referring to this one?

I just read that 4-FA was first discovered as being sold in 2006, so there can't be much info on its side effects yet.

 

[chinky]

no one talks about opiate RCs..atleast i dont think they do? i dont know about this shit..but who knows there could be a super heroin out there for all we know right?:

 

[Wintermute]

I had a friend that suffered from a seizure when he was in middle school, and all he was taking was his prescription Concerta (time-release Ritalin, generally considered very safe). He had no history of epilepsy or any other neurological disorders, and has never had a seizure again since as far as I know. He was in 8th grade when it happened, and hadn't ever done any drugs that weren't prescribed to him.

My point here is that the brain is complex. I think it's more likely that your friend's brain had a lower seizure threshold for whatever reason the 4-FA tipped the scales to cause the seizure to happen. Maybe having higher blood pressure from the 4-FA caused one of those blood clots to move or dislodge or whatever blood clots do (obviously I'm not a doctor). Hell, I did a search for blood clots on wikipedia and a link or two led to this article, which sounds surprisingly like what you described: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_venous_sinus_thrombosis

Yes that's all conjecture, but it's just to illustrate my (second) point that people shouldn't start hastily research chemicals and those who choose to take them whenever something like this happens. Many RC-users have done lots of ACTUAL research beforehand out of respect for themselves and the RC community and take it very seriously. There's some fun stuff on the black market now that used to be legal to purchase online, and even MDMA was sold in convenience stores for a brief time here in the US, so give the guinea pigs a break

The OP's friend should definitely take a break from drug use in general and get checked out by a doctor that he'll be honest with, though. Keeping that from the doctor means an actual bad reaction related to the 4-FA might get missed, which doesn't do anyone, including those in the RC scene, any good at all.

 

[cathinone_king]

Where did you get noids from 4-FA? Seems very off topic to me. All you guys that are talking shit, why the hell are you even here? RC's are the hottest topic here you retards. Don't be assholes just because I'm new. I'm bringing up a serious issue, and I'm only trying to help. The source for the 4-FA was legit with lab reports, tons of other people took it w/o any problems whatsoever, my friend was the only one to have the bad reaction.

 

[brutus]

^ Name calling will get you no where around here buddy.

 

[cathinone_king]

I'd hazard a guess and say it's highly likely 4-FA had very little to do with your friends blood clot..

How old is friend? Healthy? Smoke?

He's 24 i believe. He's not incredibly healthy as far as his diet goes, and he does smoke cigarettes.

I had a friend that suffered from a seizure when he was in middle school, and all he was taking was his prescription Concerta (time-release Ritalin, generally considered very safe). He had no history of epilepsy or any other neurological disorders, and has never had a seizure again since as far as I know. He was in 8th grade when it happened, and hadn't ever done any drugs that weren't prescribed to him.

My point here is that the brain is complex. I think it's more likely that your friend's brain had a lower seizure threshold for whatever reason the 4-FA tipped the scales to cause the seizure to happen. Maybe having higher blood pressure from the 4-FA caused one of those blood clots to move or dislodge or whatever blood clots do (obviously I'm not a doctor). Hell, I did a search for blood clots on wikipedia and a link or two led to this article, which sounds surprisingly like what you described: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_venous_sinus_thrombosis

Yes that's all conjecture, but it's just to illustrate my (second) point that people shouldn't start hastily research chemicals and those who choose to take them whenever something like this happens. Many RC-users have done lots of ACTUAL research beforehand out of respect for themselves and the RC community and take it very seriously. There's some fun stuff on the black market now that used to be legal to purchase online, and even MDMA was sold in convenience stores for a brief time here in the US, so give the guinea pigs a break

The OP's friend should definitely take a break from drug use in general and get checked out by a doctor that he'll be honest with, though. Keeping that from the doctor means an actual bad reaction related to the 4-FA might get missed, which doesn't do anyone, including those in the RC scene, any good at all.

Thanks for the info, I was looking for a good response like this. I'll be sure to pass on your advise :D