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Opioids A few questions about morphine sulfate

thesoundofmotion

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As of now I take anywhere from 30 to 90mg oxycodone or hydrocodone maybe 3-4 times a week, depending on many factors I suppose.

Well I just acquired a Morphine Sulfate pill. I believe it is extended release. The print is M on one side, and MS60 on the other side.

What is the equivalent dose to oxycodone or hydrocodone?
 
Use the search engine, there's a lot of posts that will tell you what the conversions are.
Keep in mind morphine only has a 30% BA when taken orally whereas Oxy has a really high BA.
 
I did a search but I could not find a clear cut answer.

What exactly does a 30% BA mean? Does that mean I'm only going to absorb 30 percent of the drug?

Also, is it safe to mix with other opiates? I take klononpin 1mg per day as well. Just trying to remain as safe as possible.

I feel comfortable taking 1mg of klonopin per day with 50-60mg of either hydrocodone or oxycodone, but I just have no idea about these morphine sulfate pills. Is morphine sulfate the same thing as morphine?
 
BA is bioavailibility. I don't feel really qualified to explain it to you correctly but I would say that yes, that's a simple way to kind of explain it. Basically taking it orally is not very effective. If you take 60mg only about 30% is going to be actually taken.
Mixing opiates isn't generally risky providing combined, the amount you're taking isn't more than you're used to.

Benzos and opiates are often deadly when mixed. Benzos can be lethal when mixed with other downers, especially alcohol and opiates. A kid I went to high school with died just last month from mixing benzos and Oxycontin.
Please do not mix them. Klonopin has a 50 hour half life so even if you skip your dose that day it will still be in your body.
If you're determined to do this don't take your klonopin dose that day and start with a very small amount. Then go up slowly once you feel the previous dose kick in. And take half of what you would normally take.
Better to be safe than dead...
 
BA is bioavailibility. I don't feel really qualified to explain it to you correctly but I would say that yes, that's a simple way to kind of explain it. Basically taking it orally is not very effective. If you take 60mg only about 30% is going to be actually taken.
Mixing opiates isn't generally risky providing combined, the amount you're taking isn't more than you're used to.

Benzos and opiates are often deadly when mixed. Benzos can be lethal when mixed with other downers, especially alcohol and opiates. A kid I went to high school with died just last month from mixing benzos and Oxycontin.
Please do not mix them. Klonopin has a 50 hour half life so even if you skip your dose that day it will still be in your body.
If you're determined to do this don't take your klonopin dose that day and start with a very small amount. Then go up slowly once you feel the previous dose kick in. And take half of what you would normally take.
Better to be safe than dead...

While I would call my opiate intake a frequent habit, I am outright hooked to klonopin. I've been taking it daily for the last 7 years, usually around 1-1.5mg a day.

I have mixed it with oxycodone and/or hydrocodone countless times. I don't drink though.

So, while I have heard stories of people dying from benzos + opiates, a lot of those stories involve alcohol.

And that's why I'm asking this question, I just want to remain as safe as possible.
 
A lot of those stories don't involve alcohol. Opioids and benzodiazepines kill so many people, and regular mixing of CNS depressants leads to a possibly fatal drug induced false sense of security.

The Opioid Equivalency chart can be found in my signature, please factor in that you have Mallinckrodt Morphine Sulphate Extended Release Tablets, so it will release 60mg over 12 hours.

Bioavailability is the percentage of drug that is actually absorbed into the bloodstream via any given ROA, or Route of Admninistration, which includes routes like oral, rectal, nasal, intravenous, intramuscular, sub cutaneous, inhalation (vaporization), etc.

Some drugs are better absorbed orally than others. Oxycodone has a bioavailability of about 87% taken orally, while morphine taps out around 30% ish. What this all means is, say you take 10mg oxycodone orally, just for simple math purposes, at the very most 8.7mg of oxycodone will get into your bloodstream out of the 10mg you dosed. This is NOT factoring in first-pass metabolism, which is a natural defense mechanism of your body. Taken orally, the drug goes through your liver before hitting the bloodstream. With morphine, the first pass metabolism is very high, I forget the exact percentage but it's significant, so only a fraction of the morphine you consume orally actually hits the bloodstream.

However, when administered via IV or rectally for example, you bypass your bodys natural defense mechanism, evading first pass metabolism, but you still have to factor in the BA of these different ROAs. IV's BA is of course 100%, and rectal BA varies considerably, usually from 30-60%, meaning you can potentially double the amount of morphine that hits your bloodstream by taking morphine rectally (up to 60% BA, drug bypasses liver and first pass metabolism) than you do taking it orally (usually ~30% AND first pass metabolism). Therefore it makes sense that some people want to get more out of the same amount of drugs, and if you're like me and do not IV anymore, rectal morphine is the next best thing. For a drug like morphine, you can double the amount of drug that hits your bloodstream, which is why people choose not to take it orally.

However, a drug like oxycodone already has such a high oral bioavailability that there's no need to take it via other ROAs, although some people do as a matter of preference, because other ROAs have faster onsets. Some people like snorting oxycodone even though it's much less effective than oral dosing, only 67% is absorbed nasally, but the onset is faster which can create the illusion that snorting it is stronger, when in reality you're getting less drug, but in a shorter time span it feels like more.

I hope this helps explain the concept of bioavailability and routes of administration. Please take advantage of our search engine, this exact material has been covered hundreds if not thousands of times before and there's a lot to learn by typing in a few keywords to the search box at the top right hand corner of our forum.
 
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^ Good post.

Lol when I said I didn't feel qualified to explain BA I was kind of hoping Tricomb would appear and explain it.
Which he did, so that worked out perfectly :)
 
diamorphine is 2x the potency of morphine...morphine is supposed to be about equivalent to hydrocodone taken orally, hydrocodone is actually a slight bit stronger IME, it is after all I believe ~1.4x the potency of morphine.
 
I appreciate the replies.

From what I've been reading, it seems like Morphine isn't as strong as oxycodone or hydrocodone, but I always have a feeling of uncertainty when it comes to using new substances.

So, I'll probably just cut the pill in half (I realize it's extended release, but I'm sure I can find way to break it), and just take half later on and see how that makes me feel.
 
^Morphine is twice as potent as oxycodone when given intravenously, and many users report more side effects, heavier CNS depression, and more histamine action with naturally occurring opiate alkaloids such as morphine, in comparison to the thebaine derived semi-synthetic *codones. The reason that you think morphine isn't as strong is because of the bioavailability and first pass metabolism issues I explained previously. You get 87% of oral oxycodone, and less than half that for oral morphine. However, in the bloodstream, milligram for milligram, morphine is twice as potent as oxycodone.

Please exercise caution, don't underestimate morphine, in my opinion it should be regarded with more caution than hydrocodone and oxycodone combined.

Cutting the morphine in half does not defeat the time release, but this may interest you.
 
I have not even taken it yet, I took a bunch of hydrocodones and few percs in the last 24 hours, so I'll probably wait a day or two to take it, if I even do.

I am just a bit skeptical of it, considering what you said about the drug and that it is heavier on the CNS than oxy/hydro.

If I broke it into 4 quarters, would I essentially have roughly 4 15mg extended release tablets? Maybe I should just take a quarter of the pill at first to see how I feel.
 
Well, I've cut the pill into quarters and took the two smaller ones.

So I took around 20-25mg I would say. Anyway I feel as if it exacerbated the withdrawal symptoms I usually feel from klonopin withdrawal, but that could also be do the fact that I took less klonopin than I usually do today.

It is extended release, but I'm not feeling much.

With the BA being so low, and the fact that it feels like it has exacerbated my benzo w/d symptoms (muscle tension, stomach ache) I think I rather just stick to oxy or hydro. That's pretty much been the gist of my opiate intake since I started using opiates.
 
I took the other 40mg and I must say that for some reason Morphine tends to make my klonopin withdrawal symptoms worse. I suffer with muscle tension and this made it much worse.

As far the opiate buzz, I understand these were extended release and the dose was fairly low (20mg the first time, 40mg the second time), so I never really got high from them but I experienced a buzz similar to taking an OP just not as euphoric or intense.

The painkilling properties were pretty good though, and I did notice it seemed more heavier on my CNS.

I can certainly understand why people prefer oxycodone and hydrocodone over morphine. Morphine taken orally, especially the ER, doesn't provide that rush or any great sense of euphoria, although it does provide a comforting feeling and it definitely is good at killing pain.

The one good thing about this is that I can probably pick up 5-6 of these things for the price of one roxy.
 
Before I ended up shooting dope (which forced me to make some serious changes in my life to dig myself out of the hole I was in) I primarily did Oxy. I also did the 200mg morphine pills on weekends on top of my daily Oxy dose. Oxy and morphine have completely different highs, it's funny to me that some people think all opiates/opiods are the same. Oxy always gave me a lot of energy and when I went to work I could work 12 hour shifts like it was nothing and sometimes I couldn't shut up like I was on uppers. I also only needed 6 hours sleep a night and I experienced euphoria even after 6 months of daily use. Morphine always gave me a really "heavy" feeling, especially in my chest and stomach. It was very sedating but with very little euphoria. More side effects for me personally.. Worse constipation (ick), headaches, sleepiness.
 
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I acquired 10 mg methadone pills. I don't recommend this as your not as bad as I was. Talk to a doctor.
Sunday nothing all day, no food. Diarrhea is imminent. No opiates.
That night there will be no sleep for you. Xanaflex and klonapin helped with the twitching and skin crawls.
I could not stand the feeling so I did what I had planned which I never took. 5 mg dones. 1 time. ( do not do)
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