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a few ketamine questions.

Shambles said:
If you've ever had R-isomer I'd be gobsmacked. There's some debate over whether it's even active. Do you mean racemic vs S-isomer, maybe? Racemic is 'street ket' with S-isomer coming from vials only (obviously people can evap vials and sell it as powder but it's pretty rare and often just a marketing ploy). Your descriptions fit best with racemic (loops and mindfuck... unless you get the dose right) and S-isomer being... more 'traditionally' psychedelic in some ways. The most obvious difference to me is that racemic makes you walk like a crab whilst S-isomer doesn't.
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The green ket liquid that was around about 8/9 years ago. Did you come across that ? It was green powder when cooked also. I believe it was food colourant used to smuggle it posing as mouthwash ?. Anyway that stuff was rocket fuel. I remember a mate having a volvic 500ml water bottle half full of it. It was around for about a year.
 
Shambles said:
If you've ever had R-isomer I'd be gobsmacked. There's some debate over whether it's even active. Do you mean racemic vs S-isomer, maybe? Racemic is 'street ket' with S-isomer coming from vials only (obviously people can evap vials and sell it as powder but it's pretty rare and often just a marketing ploy). Your descriptions fit best with racemic (loops and mindfuck... unless you get the dose right) and S-isomer being... more 'traditionally' psychedelic in some ways. The most obvious difference to me is that racemic makes you walk like a crab whilst S-isomer doesn't.
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Yes I am rather uneducated in these ways... I read something that said racemic is simply 50/50 R/S-isomer?

Either way, there is some difference I've noticed. I'm definitely getting less of the crab-walk effects...

hexagram said:
And I was hungover when doing it, and I can get quite bad anxiety when I'm hungover, so that might have made it worse.
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For me, Ket washes away my anxiety completely... at least this stuff does. I can't comment about my use of ket in the past because I didn't have noticeable anxiety problems then.
 
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hexagram said:
not going into details about the source but I dare say it's far more likely I got ketamine, and I'm being as cynical as I can, there's a lot of people being fooled if I am is all I'm going to say.

And I was hungover when doing it, and I can get quite bad anxiety when I'm hungover, so that might have made it worse.
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Yeah, I kinda realised the 'is it really ket?' thing was not the way to go halfway through typing it but was just far enough into typing it to leave it in - is always a possibility and often the case. Or was before TOR sites anyway (not that they're any guarantee but I digress).

Hangover is a terrible time to use ket. Anxiety plus horrid boozy metabolites a-go-go. Not necessarily a direct cause as such but certainly won't help. Ket really doesn't like booze and the thought of ket + hangover makes me feel rather nauseous just at the thought.

Having said all that, ket is freaky stuff and certainly not to all tastes. There's plenty who like a bump but wouldn't dream of holing on it having done so once. It's not like it's essential or owt. Ket is a bit niche - bit of a Marmitey kinda drug. Although most probably enjoy it at the lower end of the scale where it's mostly just feeling a bit spaced out and wobbly it does get a wee bit intense for some tastes. Horses/courses and YMMV and all that.
 
joe90 said:
Sorry Dan I've had a few ciders :)
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No worries mate :)

As for dark wonks, i've had a few disturbing negative weird dark wonks before... rarely happens but can get very twisted... was gonna go into details but sod it, i'll leave it at this
 
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joe said:
The green ket liquid that was around about 8/9 years ago. Did you come across that ? It was green powder when cooked also. I believe it was food colourant used to smuggle it posing as mouthwash ?. Anyway that stuff was rocket fuel. I remember a mate having a volvic 500ml water bottle half full of it. It was around for about a year.
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Nup. Never had any of that. I've had pharm-grade ket a gazillion times though (as has more or less anybody who's used the stuff for more than a few years) and it can't get any more potent than that really. Pharm-grade is pharm-grade. There's always active cuts I suppose which could give it extra kick but that would be a whole other matter.

chat said:
Yes I am rather uneducated in these ways... I read something that said racemic is simply 50/50 R/S-isomer?

Either way, there is some difference I've noticed. I'm definitely getting less of the crab-walk effects...
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Yup. Racemic is 50/50 R/S-isomer. There's no way to separate the two though - well there is but it's extortionately expensive and complex and nobody does it. R-isomer is unfeasibly rare cos it's not much use for anything on it's own from what I've gathered. There's no real medical use for it so it's simply not available unless maybe custom synthed (the only time I've heard of it being made available).

Not gonna go too far down the second guessing road but I will say that S-isomer is significantly less widely available than reports may suggest. Racemic that's perhaps not quite as pure as it could be would be my guess for lack of crabwalking generally speaking as it's far, far more likely. Obviously S-ket is available too but would always be sold as such and tends to be pricier cos it's harder to get hold of. There's no clandestine production of S-ket afaik - all racemic produced 'off the books' in legit labs mostly. F&B goes into much more detail on the isomer thing in several of his posts if you're interested enough to dig 'em out.

Pee Ess: apologies for lack of proper quoting but loopy-pooty won't let me quote properly it seems 8)
 
Minds too spinny to think how to word this properly but is there any negative to taking ket the day after being on another drug such as meph? Basically would i still get the full effects or would I be better off waiting?
 
Always better off waiting cos it's always less than ideal to take anything when brainchems are not fully stocked. I'd wait if possible. I also know it's not always as possible as it should be so will also say that meph and ket hit completely different receptors so there's no cross-tolerance or owt. Meph and ket don't get along well at all though (even folk who like both agree on this for the most part) so best kept as far away from each other as possible.

Otherwise, enjoy =D

(with a lil caution obviously <3)
 
Might wait a little while then, I'm in no rush because there's no really perfect opportunities coming up anytime soon. I was just going to do it when I go up to bed one night but I don't really like messing around with drugs late because I like my sleep. It's annoying being back at home.

Wasn't planning to mix them, I need to do a good few grams of ket to get used to it before mixing it with anything. If I get on well with this gram that is, might hate it, never done any similar drugs before. I am excited though, it'll be nice trying something new for once.

Another quick question, when it arrives is there anything I should look out for that would signify it's good stuff? Or can you only really tell once it's up the ol' hooter?
 
I've done one gram in the last six months (after the drought). It was perfectly good quality regular racemic street ketamine and I bought it from a random, outrageously expensive though.

The market has been full of weird ket analogues and bizarre powders for the last five years or so. Quality was pretty consistent before then.
 
Short of GC/MS testing there's no real way to tell by look or smell or whatever. Could be crystal, could be powder (or liquid for that matter). A fairly good indicator is the taste when you sniff a bit - should be kinda minty tasting. Bit like mouthwash or toothpaste or whatever but not really. Kinda hard to describe. Like a moderate sniff from a moderate distance of menthol maybe. Minty fresh anyway.

Other than that, start very low with just a small bump. Ketamine is potent stuff with no tolerance and you'll feel it even with a small amount. Low doses feel floaty and spaced out but not overly disabilitating. That comes when you get to sniffing lines =D

As for nightime use, it tends to keep you awake for quite a while after it wears off so not on a school night ideally. Unless you don't mind bunking off school cos you're on a ket binge. That's not the best road to start off down though...
 
is mint flavor a way to determine ket from mxe? does mxe have a similar taste?
 
Its not really mint, as in taste, but mint in a sort of clinical taste/feeling.

That sounds a condridction but its hard to describe. For me MXE had its own taste and texture thats easily identifiable.
 
How expensive is outrageously expensive Owen? The stuff I've got on the way was £25 a gram which I didn't think seemed too bad. Still 3 times as much as meph though almost haha.

Mine should be powder or crystals so I guess it'll just look like any other sniffable drug. Minty though, that's interesting, sounds much nicer than meph at least.

When I said a few grams to get a feel for it I didn't mean at once btw just in case I'm rambling a bit and not making sense. I'm slightly wary of ket tbh as I've only ever done stimulants and opiates (and not many of them) so it's a complete trip into the unknown. I never really fancied trying disassociatives or psychs before because I was worried how I would react but I've been getting interested in them recently so thought I'd have a go. Fingers crossed I like it and don't freak out or something :p

And I can use anytime without too many worries as I'm on uni holiday's but prefer daytime in general. Oh how I miss my lovely uni room where I could get blissfully fucked in the middle of the day and go for a nice dreamy walk and look at all the posh houses nearby. Sigh.
 
the stuff which I've got, which I'm 90% sure is ketamine, definitely has a strong minty taste to it.
 
Taste doesn't mean fuck all, you can flavour k if you want to. When I first started doing loads you still used to get loads that stunk of roses where it had been smuggled as rose water from india.

SS...£25 a gram. Might not seem expensive but you could buy 50g for £250 a decade ago. Less time than that even, six years ago.
 
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^ Yes you can flavour it but that's usually fairly obvious. At least if you've ever had non-flavoured ketamine before. Pure ketamine does 'taste' minty fresh. Flavoured ket - even flavoured with mint - doesn't taste at all the same and sticks out like a sore thumb. Those rose water batches were all over the shop so know what you mean though.

summer said:
And I can use anytime without too many worries as I'm on uni holiday's but prefer daytime in general. Oh how I miss my lovely uni room where I could get blissfully fucked in the middle of the day and go for a nice dreamy walk and look at all the posh houses nearby. Sigh.
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Think it's safe to say you would be unlikely to get away with a blissfully fucked walk around the posh houses any time of the day or night after a line or two of ket =D

And no, MXE doesn't have quite the same 'taste' when snorted. It is somewhat similar but much milder. With actual ket it's pretty in-yer-face minty freshness (assuming no adulterants as Owen points out).
 
The drip always manages to ruin any potential freshness from k... Though i must admit i never had streetk, only dried from vials...
 
If you're sniffing technique is right you shouldn't be getting a drip. Absorption rates and all that. Little and often is the key ;)

That or needles anyway.

HR bit: Don't inject random powders unless willing to accept the potential consequences. Vials (as long as assuredly legit ones) are a whole other matter though. Why anybody would waste vials on their nose is beyond me 8(
 
50g? That'd last me a while ;)

For the blissfully fucked walk I was more referring to my early days (and middle days... and recent days actually) of using meph. I remember walking round the shops on a lovely sunny spring day, bouncing along without a care in the world... then sneaking into the nearest toilet for my next cheeky line. Ahh good times.

I was thinking kind of match head sized bumps with ket then? Don't have my scales on me atm (they seem to have vanished into the void between my 3 addresses that nothing ever returns from).
 
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