A couple random questions about safe drugs post-roll, also, describe a pipe....

[Seattle_Stranger]

I'm wondering what is safe to take after rolling, as in which drugs won't hurt my brain/body due to serotonin depletion. I want to take some mushrooms, however I understand they act upon serotonin and being that I just rolled a few days ago, I'm skeptical as to whether or not this is a safe idea. If I was to trip on shrooms, it would probably be exactly 7 days after I rolled on 200mg of shitty molly, and I know that's not just my opinion because the 7 other people I rolled with are experienced and they agreed.. It was a very weird roll, and I'm convinced it was heavily cut with meth or something else, so there's a chance my dopamine levels are a little more screwy than normal as well. I have been taking 200mg of 5htp daily since the roll, and I also preloaded a few days before the roll as well.

In addition to that, I was hoping someone could at least try to describe a pipe and how it differs from MDMA in the way it works/feels. As a last resort, a friend picked up some molly from a rather shady source he was not all too familiar with, and it was a darker brown/off white than I've ever seen, and also had a lot of solid crystal chunks in it. I've read that really good molly can come with a similar appearance, but I've also read piperazine can look extremely similar. The roll we all experienced felt extremely weak, mildly euphoric, barely any stimulation, no loved up or empathetic feelings, and also my pupils stayed absolutely enormous for 12+ hours....bigger than I've ever seen while rolling, and most certainly not still severely dilated the next morning. I took this picture at about 11:30am the next day, and the last 100mg pill I dropped was at about 12:00am, totaling 200mg for the night which is a first for me. I've never done more than 100mg at a time.

Also, mephedrone, how long after a roll should one wait to safely dose on mephedrone? I don't plan on taking very much of it, at most I'd probably take .5g orally spread out over a night.

Also, in addition to this, does anyone know about any potential dangers with smoking cannabis while on mephedrone? I read a report where an 18 year old girl died after smoking cannabis while on drone, but something tells me there is more to that story...

Thank you for answers in advance!!

 

[solistus]

I don't know much about pipes or drone, but as for shrooms: it's definitely safe for your brain. If you get nasty hangover/depression effects after rolling, then you should wait till they pass so you're not in a bad mindset, but if you're feeling good then it should be fine.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I feel fantastic, actually to be honest I feel a little better than normal. It's been two days since the roll. However, I did dose on kratom yesterday and that usually gives me a subtle afterglow the day after, but still, I'm most certainly not hungover or depressed or anything negative.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Can anyone comment? I know some of you people know all about pipes. Share some knowledge yo!

 

[AylaV]

I'm wondering what is safe to take after rolling, as in which drugs won't hurt my brain/body due to serotonin depletion. I want to take some mushrooms, however I understand they act upon serotonin and being that I just rolled a few days ago, I'm skeptical as to whether or not this is a safe idea. If I was to trip on shrooms, it would probably be exactly 7 days after I rolled on 200mg of shitty molly, and I know that's not just my opinion because the 7 other people I rolled with are experienced and they agreed.. It was a very weird roll, and I'm convinced it was heavily cut with meth or something else, so there's a chance my dopamine levels are a little more screwy than normal as well. I have been taking 200mg of 5htp daily since the roll, and I also preloaded a few days before the roll as well.

You're fine to do shrooms. Shroom away!!

In addition to that, I was hoping someone could at least try to describe a pipe and how it differs from MDMA in the way it works/feels. As a last resort, a friend picked up some molly from a rather shady source he was not all too familiar with, and it was a darker brown/off white than I've ever seen, and also had a lot of solid crystal chunks in it. I've read that really good molly can come with a similar appearance, but I've also read piperazine can look extremely similar. The roll we all experienced felt extremely weak, mildly euphoric, barely any stimulation, no loved up or empathetic feelings, and also my pupils stayed absolutely enormous for 12+ hours....bigger than I've ever seen while rolling, and most certainly not still severely dilated the next morning. I took this picture at about 11:30am the next day, and the last 100mg pill I dropped was at about 12:00am, totaling 200mg for the night which is a first for me. I've never done more than 100mg at a time.

I can't tell you what it was. In the future, it would help to test your molly Piperazines are very stimulative, make you nauseous, some people get a headache, some people puke, and it feels like you're about to come up on MDxx for a few hours and then you feel like crap. It's awful =P

Also, mephedrone, how long after a roll should one wait to safely dose on mephedrone? I don't plan on taking very much of it, at most I'd probably take .5g orally spread out over a night.

mephedrone I don't feel hits as hard on the 5ht system as MDMA, but having done MDMA first, you might get a hangover from your mephedrone. I'm not sure, but I know when I did mephedrone and methylone two days after doing MDMA I had a NASTY suicide tuesday the week after. The worst I've ever had. I blame it on the mephedrone and methylone compounding the hangover of the MDMA. I wouldn't worry about cross-tolerance -- there wasn't any for me. I'd worry if you normally get hangovers. I don't think this would be very friendly on your serotonin system.

Also, in addition to this, does anyone know about any potential dangers with smoking cannabis while on mephedrone? I read a report where an 18 year old girl died after smoking cannabis while on drone, but something tells me there is more to that story...

Thank you for answers in advance!!

That story isn't true and she died from a medical problem completely unrelated to drugs. The retraction of the claim can be found in the media coverage section on erowid's mephedrone vault. Smoking weed on mephedrone is fine. For me, the weed overpowered the drone which was upsetting, but I'm sure a happy medium can be found

Good luck!

 

[K-Dazed]

Most drugs are safe to take after or with MDMA. Drugs that aren't safe should be fairly obvious ones, such as DXM due to their reaction with the serotonin receptors. Opiates and Benzos are good for the comedown.

As for taking shrooms 7 days after MDMA, you should be fine. Because they both act on similar receptors, it may not be as potent as it would be if you hadn't done MDMA (though I doubt it - 7 days should be long enough) it won't harm your brain and you'll still trip.

Pipes are pieces of shit, figuratively speaking. They are every MDMA-users worst fear. Piperazines are generally stimulants. When pipped, you feel wide awake, no euphoria, no empathy and the comedown is a bitch. Some people say you will like you're coming down the entire high, and I can somewhat agree with that - they make you feel like shit. Similar to a methbomb, there's no way in hell I can sleep after a Pipe (I test my MDMA - the only Pipe I've ever taken was willingly) whereas on MDs I can sleep very nicely after my roll. My pupils get slightly dilated from MDMA, but they get much more dilated from Pipes. Dilation means little or nothing though, as a great many of things can dilate you pupils.

Smoking weed on Meph is fine.

EDIT: If taking Meph, I advise snorting it rather than parachuting it. Much more enjoyable IMO.

 

[AylaV]

Snorting meph lasts a very short amount of time and you wind up blowing through tons of it. Taking it in a capsule lasts longer, feels more like a roll, and I can stay rolling longer with oral redoses. Snorting can be fun near the end, but I always start with oral dosing. If you can't enjoy oral, you're not taking enough orally, imo.

 

[K-Dazed]

^ well I snort my MDMA most of the time as well, so it could just be a personal quirk. I've only done Meph once orally and it was good, but like I said, for me the rush from taking it nasally beats the longer and potentially stronger high.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Hey thanks!!

Sounds like I'm in good shape even though I'm going to hold off on the meph for a bit.

I'm still undecided if it sounds like pipe or not. It was stimulating in a way where I felt stimulated, however 20 minutes of dancing and I'd be like fuck I need to sit down from fatigue. Last time I rolled on MDA, my gf and I danced for 4 hours straight without realizing it....and we don't even dance...ever. No real body high to speak of, and yes, it felt as you said, like I was ABOUT to come up, all night, without ever actually getting there. Mild euphoria, much like you get at the come up of MDMA, but then it just.....stopped. It was enjoyable for what it was, don't get me wrong, but disappointing when you're expecting a full on MDMA roll.

I didn't get any headaches but my gf did. She felt like shit the next day, but I wasn't too bad. My body has a higher natural tolerance to drugs than hers, and she's ultra sensitive to them so maybe that's why she had a hangover.

Perhaps I had a mixture of a couple things. There were definitely qualities that resembled MDMA, but others that did not. Well, either way, thank you for the answer.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Snorting meph lasts a very short amount of time and you wind up blowing through tons of it. Taking it in a capsule lasts longer, feels more like a roll, and I can stay rolling longer with oral redoses. Snorting can be fun near the end, but I always start with oral dosing. If you can't enjoy oral, you're not taking enough orally, imo.

I've only snorted smaller amounts of meph, usually much less than 100mg, and I never got any real effect from it. Bombing 250mg in a capsule though, and it's a roll for SURE. I think next time I indulge I will drop ~150-200, and then maybe 20 minutes later snort 100 as the oral dose first starts kicking in. That should blast me off nicely.

 

[AylaV]

^ well I snort my MDMA most of the time as well, so it could just be a personal quirk. I've only done Meph once orally and it was good, but like I said, for me the rush from taking it nasally beats the longer and potentially stronger high.

The rush from snorting is weird to me. The first three minutes feels like DXM and then the more traditional rush of euphoria happens. This always happened to me with MDMA as well, though. It sounds like it's a personal preference thing, I agree

Hey thanks!!

Sounds like I'm in good shape even though I'm going to hold off on the meph for a bit.

I'm still undecided if it sounds like pipe or not. It was stimulating in a way where I felt stimulated, however 20 minutes of dancing and I'd be like fuck I need to sit down from fatigue. Last time I rolled on MDA, my gf and I danced for 4 hours straight without realizing it....and we don't even dance...ever. No real body high to speak of, and yes, it felt as you said, like I was ABOUT to come up, all night, without ever actually getting there. Mild euphoria, much like you get at the come up of MDMA, but then it just.....stopped. It was enjoyable for what it was, don't get me wrong, but disappointing when you're expecting a full on MDMA roll.

I didn't get any headaches but my gf did. She felt like shit the next day, but I wasn't too bad. My body has a higher natural tolerance to drugs than hers, and she's ultra sensitive to them so maybe that's why she had a hangover.

Perhaps I had a mixture of a couple things. There were definitely qualities that resembled MDMA, but others that did not. Well, either way, thank you for the answer.

You're quite welcome!! Better luck with your next roll

 

[georgewc2001]

I actually answered your question in the other thread on pipe dealers just now, but the bottom line I'd follow is if you're not absolutely sure it's mdma, then it's not.

If you've had mdma, then you know it. It's everything fantastic. You know the feeling. If you don't feel like that, then you don't have mdma. Ok, you could have some low dose shit, but that won't make you feel "off."

If you've had mdma, then you know the rush you get when seratonin floods your brain. No other drug does this. Remember this feeling cause if you don't feel it, you don't have mdma or mda, etc. Pipes might have an initial similarity, but the roll never actually takes off. If's like...it's coming, it's coming, FUCK...na, i'm not rolling.

mdma = empathy, love, euhporia, eye wiggles, jaw clench/chattering, gum chewing,
afterglow, etc.

pipes = hot/cold flashes, uneasiness/jitteryness, visuals and insomnia in high doses, and,
most of all, a shit comedown, which = NO AFTERGLOW

The mdma experience is one you love. If you didn't love the experience you had, it probably wasn't mdma. Not to say there aren't bad mdma trips, but they're rare if you have good shit.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

uhh yeah
if it was chill, it wasnt pipes
if you didnt get sick, it wasnt pipes
if it didnt taste ridiculous it wasnt pipes
how can you ID a substance by level of pupil dilation?
MDxx makes my pupils just as big as LSD does
..

 

[billy_m100]

mephedrone I don't feel hits as hard on the 5ht system as MDMA, but having done MDMA first, you might get a hangover from your mephedrone. I'm not sure, but I know when I did mephedrone and methylone two days after doing MDMA I had a NASTY suicide tuesday the week after. The worst I've ever had. I blame it on the mephedrone and methylone compounding the hangover of the MDMA. I wouldn't worry about cross-tolerance -- there wasn't any for me. I'd worry if you normally get hangovers. I don't think this would be very friendly on your serotonin system.

not good

 

[foxyloxy55]

I actually answered your question in the other thread on pipe dealers just now, but the bottom line I'd follow is if you're not absolutely sure it's mdma, then it's not.

If you've had mdma, then you know it. It's everything fantastic. You know the feeling. If you don't feel like that, then you don't have mdma. Ok, you could have some low dose shit, but that won't make you feel "off."

If you've had mdma, then you know the rush you get when seratonin floods your brain. No other drug does this. Remember this feeling cause if you don't feel it, you don't have mdma or mda, etc. Pipes might have an initial similarity, but the roll never actually takes off. If's like...it's coming, it's coming, FUCK...na, i'm not rolling.

mdma = empathy, love, euhporia, eye wiggles, jaw clench/chattering, gum chewing,
afterglow, etc.

pipes = hot/cold flashes, uneasiness/jitteryness, visuals and insomnia in high doses, and,
most of all, a shit comedown, which = NO AFTERGLOW

The mdma experience is one you love. If you didn't love the experience you had, it probably wasn't mdma. Not to say there aren't bad mdma trips, but they're rare if you have good shit.

QFT.

It's very important to remember the golden rule of MDMA: If you are questioning anything about it, then it's not MDMA.

I bought pills for 9 years without ever even questioning if they were real, because they always were. I didn't even know fake ecstasy existed. Then I got piped, and at first I was very confused, made a lot of excuses, thought they might be weak and and that I might be feeling something etc. Then I realized that if it were MDMA, I wouldn't be questioning it.

My guess is that you got piped with a small amount of MDMA. MDMA is pretty good at masking the pipes, but can't completely and makes for a weird roll. This weekend I got piped and during the long come up I started questioning myself again. Am I coming up? I think I might be. Placebo (I WANTED to be rolling) and some crude similarities of pipes effects almost had me tricked. Then I remembered the golden rule. Saves me every time. I got some awesome molly to mask the pipes, and they did, but it was a weird dulled down roll that had a slight edge to it.

I'll say it again because I think it's worth repeating. If you are questioning it, it isn't MDMA. My favorite quality of MDMA is how easy of a ride it is. You don't need to spend time managing yourself on good MDMA. It makes it so easy for you to enjoy.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

If you are questioning it, it isn't MDMA.

I'm going to live this. Thank you.

hot/cold flashes, uneasiness/jitteryness, visuals and insomnia in high doses, and,
most of all, a shit comedown, which = NO AFTERGLOW

This sounds a lot like it man, I kept getting hot hot hot then freeeeezing then burning up, sweating then freezing again. Girlfriend said the same. However, I honestly didn't have a very bad come down. Maybe that was thanks to the copious amounts of weed and alcohol I consumed when I got home, and 10mg valium, not to mention my very careful pre and post loading of 5htp, a b-complex and vitamin c. I try real hard to take care of my brain.

Didn't have much visuals to speak of, and not really any jitteryness either. Like I said, I felt stimulated, but actually had no energy.

If you've had mdma, then you know the rush you get when seratonin floods your brain. No other drug does this. Remember this feeling cause if you don't feel it, you don't have mdma or mda, etc. Pipes might have an initial similarity, but the roll never actually takes off. If's like...it's coming, it's coming, FUCK...na, i'm not rolling.

I absolutely do know that rush you speak of and I just never felt it. It actually felt much more dopamine-ish, more like a weak hit of mephedrone more so than a weak hit of MDMA, and yes I can tell the difference. To me, meph feels like a super stimulating opiate-ish rush, while MDMA just feels.....unique....and you just can't help but know that this is serotonin flooding my brain right now, not dopamine. MDMA is a wow the world has never been so beautiful, everything has never been so perfect. Meph is more of a I am the shit and I love everyone for thinking so.

However, I also know the taste of MDMA and I know the taste of meph, this most certainly was not meph, it tasted very potent, enough for me to make the 'sour face'. When I got home, I had an empty bag of MDA in my box, and I stuck my finger in and tasted the residue to compare it. It tasted the same, but not as potent. Does methamphetamine taste similar to MDMA?

uhh yeah
if it was chill, it wasnt pipes
if you didnt get sick, it wasnt pipes
if it didnt taste ridiculous it wasnt pipes
how can you ID a substance by level of pupil dilation?
MDxx makes my pupils just as big as LSD does
..

It was kinda chill due to the no energy but still wide awake feeling, and somewhat of a moderate level of euphoria. If I wasn't expecting to roll on MDMA, I would've enjoyed this, honestly. Also, the mention about my pupils is I simply never saw them as big (even on the purest MDMA I've come across) and never saw them stay that big for so long. That's all, I was totally not expecting an ID from my pupils lol...




Thank you all for your answers. This is a great thread, a lot of information is being exchanged!! I think all rollers should be this informed about piperazines.

 

[foxyloxy55]

I think it's also important to point out that there are different kinds of pipes that do different things and if you look at ecstasydata.org there are many different combos.

And yeah, I've only recently become this informed about pipes. I didn't need to be before. What a damn shame

 

[baddog72]

I fell for a "bart simpson" and it was terrible. I felt queasy, had cold beads of sweat coming out of my forehead, irregular heartbeat, feelings of paranoia, difficulty sleeping, and worst of all, my willie went into tortise-like hibernation and my balls ached for 2-3 days afterward.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I fell for a "bart simpson" and it was terrible. I felt queasy, had cold beads of sweat coming out of my forehead, irregular heartbeat, feelings of paranoia, difficulty sleeping, and worst of all, my willie went into tortise-like hibernation and my balls ached for 2-3 days afterward.

God damn dude, that's not BZP that sounds like battery acid...

That sounds just awful. That would probably cause me to just say fuck it I'm never rolling again, it's not worth the gamble. Shit, I'm already even thinking that, but I know that cute little MDA pill I have at home will change my mind again.

 

[citysmog]

If you ask me there is a cross tolerance between drone and mdma. Now I have nothing to prove this with other then personal experience, and how my girlfriend and best friend have reacted to 4-mmc and then mdma. Other people I have met and talked to report no cross tolerance so really this is a weird issue, also on a side note I can take methylone after 4-mmc and or mdma and "roll" just as hard off the methylone.