Tryptamines A couple quick DMT questions

[ImJustAnotherGuy]

Hi, i read through several threads and didn't find exactly what I need. The big and Dandy thread doesn't have much of what I need either.

I've been running my second DMT extraction tonight. Both times Ive used the Marsofold tek.

My first time my finished product was only .8 grams. Nothing really impressive at all. I read way more into stuff and found an updated version of his tech that I missed. I've been following that and doing all the extra things to get a better yield he suggested. Heres a couple questions I need answered involving the the tech and dmt in general. Right now im 3 hours away from separating the naphtha and putting it into a freezer.

How long does Naptha take to evaporate if I have a fan over it. I need to evaporate my 300ml of naptha to 1/3 that and only have 2 hours to do it.

EDIT- for the record encase some are wondering it takes forever. I just spend 3 hours evaporating it with a hair drying, it went from 300 ml to maybe 225.

It says put the solution in a 1 pint jar. I have a slightly smaller one 12 ounces instead of 16 and its skinnier. Should that make a difference or will the crystals freeze precipitate differently

When pouring out the crystals into the filter what do I do if some are still stuck in the jar. Last time I was an idiot and filled it with some warm water and poured it in the same filter.

When taking DMT orally how much should I take.(Ive read 50 mgs at most in some places and 100mgs least in some)

Thanks a lot for any replies

EDIT you guys don't need to worry about this anymore im all finished. I got about 1.5-2.2gs of really white pure looking puffy crystals. The frozen white at the bottom wasn't dmt, it froze and melted like ice so im not sure.

Were testing how potent it is and trying oral on friday. If its good ill right a trip report, or maybe if its bad(but i dont think like that!).

 

[adrian89987]

How long does Naptha take to evaporate if I have a fan over it. I need to evaporate my 300ml of naptha to 1/3 that and only have 2 hours to do it.
It depends on what kind of container you are evaporating out of, a fan definitely speeds it up, a large surface area does as well.

It says put the solution in a 1 pint jar. I have a slightly smaller one 12 ounces instead of 16 and its skinnier. Should that make a difference or will the crystals freeze precipitate differently

Shouldn't make too much of a difference

When pouring out the crystals into the filter what do I do if some are still stuck in the jar. Last time I was an idiot and filled it with some warm water and poured it in the same filter.
If they are stuck in the jar just pour the naphtha out, then take the jar with them still stuck to, and put it under a fan and let the naphtha evaporate, then scrape them off.


For oral dmt, start around 100 mg, maybe 75 if you wanna be extra careful, and work your way up...everyone seems to react way differently to different doses with oral dmt.

 

[ImJustAnotherGuy]

How long does Naptha take to evaporate if I have a fan over it. I need to evaporate my 300ml of naptha to 1/3 that and only have 2 hours to do it.
It depends on what kind of container you are evaporating out of, a fan definitely speeds it up, a large surface area does as well.

It says put the solution in a 1 pint jar. I have a slightly smaller one 12 ounces instead of 16 and its skinnier. Should that make a difference or will the crystals freeze precipitate differently

Shouldn't make too much of a difference

When pouring out the crystals into the filter what do I do if some are still stuck in the jar. Last time I was an idiot and filled it with some warm water and poured it in the same filter.
If they are stuck in the jar just pour the naphtha out, then take the jar with them still stuck to, and put it under a fan and let the naphtha evaporate, then scrape them off.


For oral dmt, start around 100 mg, maybe 75 if you wanna be extra careful, and work your way up...everyone seems to react way differently to different doses with oral dmt.

thanks a lot man. I just finished grabbing the dmt from the jug. Looks like im going to have to wait till tomorrow to evaporate and freeze.

One more question.

Leaving the dmt in the naphtha at room temperature a day wont hurt it right?

 

[snazzy_sn]

You need an MAOI for oral dosing.
You probably knew that though.

 

[Ismene]

The yields are unreliable - I've tried every so-called method of "increasing" yields but they don't usually do much good.

Once all the naptha is gone by sight, leave it another 4-5 days to dry out fully - there'll be a lot more dmt to scrape up then.

 

[AChemicalLife]

I agree with ismene.

Let it keep evaporating.

You might not see naphtha, but you can't see LSD on tabs either. Let it fully recrystallize.

Also, there are some methods that increase yields, but it's all very situation specific, depending on the tek you use and what you did right/wrong, environmental conditions, etc etc etc....

Leaving the DMT in the naphtha at RT shouldn't hurt it, but I'm tempted to say you'd have to keep it sealed.

Also, for oral, you'll need an MAOI as has been stated, Harmine/Harmaline should work well....

Smoked requires nothing else though.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

 

[ImJustAnotherGuy]

I agree with ismene.

Let it keep evaporating.

You might not see naphtha, but you can't see LSD on tabs either. Let it fully recrystallize.

Also, there are some methods that increase yields, but it's all very situation specific, depending on the tek you use and what you did right/wrong, environmental conditions, etc etc etc....

Leaving the DMT in the naphtha at RT shouldn't hurt it, but I'm tempted to say you'd have to keep it sealed.

Also, for oral, you'll need an MAOI as has been stated, Harmine/Harmaline should work well....

Smoked requires nothing else though.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Thanks, yeah i know how it works. I have Syrian rue already, i just needed to know how much to take.

Are you guys suggesting completely evaporating the naphtha and scraping the crystals from inside the jar? Or evaporating it a bit before freezing and filtering it(Thats what i was going to do)

 

[Ismene]

Either way works. Letting it evaporate completely for 4-5 days will result in crystals that are a bit yellow/orangey.

Just freezing the naptha will give you cleaner product. But if you're taking it orally it doesn't make any difference how orange it is.

Moclobemide (trade name aurorix) is an excellent MAOI. Lot less nausea than rue or caapi.

 

[ImJustAnotherGuy]

Either way works. Letting it evaporate completely for 4-5 days will result in crystals that are a bit yellow/orangey.

Just freezing the naptha will give you cleaner product. But if you're taking it orally it doesn't make any difference how orange it is.

Moclobemide (trade name aurorix) is an excellent MAOI. Lot less nausea than rue or caapi.

Well i spent about 3 hours trying to evaporate it quickly with a hair dryer. My room smells horrible and didn't evaporate all that much. I'm going to freeze is and extract, then evaporate the solution that is left over outside for a few days too see if any is left.

I'm smoking and eating some so I'm trying to make it pretty pure.

 

[Ismene]

Evaporating quickly isn't the best idea - I evaporated quickly once and there was hardly any Deemster on the plate. I put it in a drawer and forgot about it and then looked again 5 days later and it was coated with crystals.

Freezing is a good idea tho - it's cleaner and you can reuse some naptha.

 

[Jabberwocky]

marsofold tek is outdated. Here's something I wrote for a friend right then. It will help you too.

try these:
Here's lazyman's straight to base tek:
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9217

Here's Noman's straight to base tek:
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/doc/nomans_...action_tek.pdf

Chew those over. Probably lazyman's is easiest...but noman's is really right there in terms of ease too (they're both the same principles).

If you understand the principles of what you are doing the extraction is a lot more obvious (hence the justification for reading over two teks).

After the extraction you may need to do a recrystalization. This involves dissolving your dirtiesh DMT into as little amount of HOT naptha as possible then sticking it in the freezer and letting it precipitate out (cold naptha carries much less DMT than hot naptha and since you supersaturated the solution a lot/most of the DMT will 'fall out'). Then you can filter it (pour over coffee filter and catch the DMT crystals) and then spread the filter out to dry the remaining naptha and bingo pure DMT.

Sometimes you get a really pure product out of the extraction and you don't need to do a recrystalization. Not sure why this is the case (maybe difference in tannins/fats in the bark or something?)...but if you get a nice product then no need to do recrystalization (cause you lose a bit with the recrystalization process but not too much to justify not doing it if your DMT is even slightly discolored ie impure).

peace

 

[xylu]

marsofold tek is outdated. Here's something I wrote for a friend right then. It will help you too.

try these:
Here's lazyman's straight to base tek:
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9217

Here's Noman's straight to base tek:
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/doc/nomans_...action_tek.pdf

Chew those over. Probably lazyman's is easiest...but noman's is really right there in terms of ease too (they're both the same principles).

Hey, not sure where you got that information from, but that's bad advice.
What exactly is outdated about marsofold's tek?
Marsofold's tek is still widely used and is one of the best teks out there.
Marsofold is still active on forums and giving tips here and there.
It wouldn't of been worth me posting to say just that, but then you recommended lazyman's tek.
lazyman's is on the the worser teks and you should really try some of the good stb teks that are out there.
I agree with you on noman's tek though, can't go wrong with that really.

ImJustAnotherGuy: I recommend you use wide glass dishes rather than pint glasses, more surface area exposed, faster evap time.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hey, not sure where you got that information from, but that's bad advice.

personal experience.

what exactly is outdated about marsofold?

I believe it requires an acidification step. This is not necessary. Just basify the fuck out of your root and that will strip the DMT away from the plant fiber.

Well, I posted two teks so the OP could see how the process works. The principles are really fucking simple. Once you know the principles then you don't need a tek. You can do it yourself.

 

[xylu]

personal experience.

Ah I see, I guess bark varies and it is indeed possible to get decent yields from good bark even though the lazymans tek recommends too small amount of lye and water.

I believe it requires an acidification step. This is not necessary. Just basify the fuck out of your root and that will strip the DMT away from the plant fiber.

Indeed, marsofold's is an a/b tek and I agree with you; the acid (and a couple of other) steps are effectively useless with Mimosa Hostilis root bark. (while not affecting the great yields)

Well, I posted two teks so the OP could see how the process works. The principles are really fucking simple. Once you know the principles then you don't need a tek. You can do it yourself.

Yeah, great point. ImJustAnotherGuy: Read as many teks as you can and you'll probably be able to answer all the questions you have

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah you mention now that lazyman's tek uses too little base (NaOH)....I didn't even remember that (haven't read it completely through maybe ever).

I basify the FUCK out of my sludge. I really get that shit black and based completely.

It strips the DMT out of the plant material really quickly/easily and yields are excellent with this method.

 

[xylu]

I basify the FUCK out of my sludge. I really get that shit black and based completely.

It strips the DMT out of the plant material really quickly/easily and yields are excellent with this method.

Nice, that's definitely the way to go. Under basifiying is the most common reason for poor yields, and since you can't really over basify, aiming for slick black and fully basified is the right choice.

So now I'm curious, what kind of yields do you typically get?

 

[ImJustAnotherGuy]

I read a few teks and this one seems doable in the time frames I have(Live with parents...). Last time I did it I believe I under basified it, and got a poor yield. I did many things different this time around and just looked at it recently. Looks about 1.5 grams so far but still needs to be frozen another couple days

Also this needs to be answered for me. I let it sit for a day in the jar before I froze it. There was beads the size of water drops at the bottom of the naptha solution and where crystal clear. I couldn't get them to mix back up so i froze it like that. Now there are some super WHITE spots frozen at the bottom of the jar. Thier pretty damn big. I tried to shake the jar to mix them around and thier stuck. Ive got tons of dmt crystals forming and those at the bottom, is that like pure dmt or a chemical that separated? If its dmt after i poor out the crystals for filtering im going to dry it with a hair dryer and scrape it out.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Nice, that's definitely the way to go. Under basifiying is the most common reason for poor yields, and since you can't really over basify, aiming for slick black and fully basified is the right choice.

So now I'm curious, what kind of yields do you typically get?

its been awhile since I pulled some stuff but I remember getting usually a couple (2-3) grams out of a pound depending on the quality of the bark. Thats after recrystalization/clean up.

 

[ABDF]

ImJustAnotherGuy, I am thinking a 75 milligram dose for the first time just to be on the safe side. You know who I am, just think about my screen name.

 

[Ismene]

Maybe i under-basified it. Dunno tho - I must've put about 200 grams of hydroxide in for 200-300g of bark.

One tip for when you take the DMT - don't just throw the freebase dmt down. Mix it in in coca-cola (about a pint for 100g) it forms the DMT phosphate which is a lot less nauseating than straight freebase. You might still throw your guts up tho.