A brief history and question..Please respond

[twinkie13]

I used to take 10 mg of hydrocodone with 325 mg of Apap. I switched to double that dose, and I drink pretty heavily, regularly. A CWE was tough to do for me, so I finally found someone that could get me Roxis(Oxycodone) blues that are 30 mg I believe. I talk half a pill orally, and consume some wine and liquor a few nights a week. A few questions please:

I obv did better gettin rid of that APAP. Essentially what I am doing is not nearly as harmful given that I drink on them right?

I find the half pill to be nice every other day or every third day. I treat myself to a whole here and there, but the expense going half keeps it in check IMO.

I snorted one the other night. Outside of maybe hitting you quicker, I feel like I may "lose" some. Is this true? Is snorting better in some views?

By Sunday after maybe 45mg throughout the week, my body feels so tired. I assume this is the drug. I NEVER experience constipation though, which is good because I hear some do.

Thanks to anyone who helps with responses

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Well the first thing you want to watch out for is becoming physically dependent on the oxycodone. If you take it (or any opioid) too often your body gets used to it and requires it to feel normal, leaving you with bad withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking it. You should really try to stick to no more often than once a week and that goes for both the oxy and the hydrocodone, as they have a cross-tolerance.

As to your questions:

I obv did better gettin rid of that APAP. Essentially what I am doing is not nearly as harmful given that I drink on them right?

I'm not sure what you mean here, Roxicodone doesn't have APAP in it. If you are referring to the hydrocodone and are still taking that, then yes, get rid of the APAP. A CWE is not that tough. Check out the instructions on here. What did you mean by "what I am doing is not nearly as harmful given that I drink on them"? Drinking with opioids or APAP IS harmful and dangerous. Were you trying to say that taking too much APAP is not as dangerous as drinking while taking APAP/opioids?

I snorted one the other night. Outside of maybe hitting you quicker, I feel like I may "lose" some. Is this true? Is snorting better in some views?

I don't have any personal experience with snorting them, but I'm sure there are a lot of threads on Bluelight about the topic.

By Sunday after maybe 45mg throughout the week, my body feels so tired. I assume this is the drug.

It could be the after-effects of the drug or it could be that you are starting to get a mild dependence. Be very careful as this is a very addictive drug and you could soon find yourself doing it more and more often.

 

[twinkie13]

Well the first thing you want to watch out for is becoming physically dependent on the oxycodone. If you take it (or any opioid) too often your body gets used to it and requires it to feel normal, leaving you with bad withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking it. You should really try to stick to no more often than once a week and that goes for both the oxy and the hydrocodone, as they have a cross-tolerance.

As to your questions:


I'm not sure what you mean here, Roxicodone doesn't have APAP in it. If you are referring to the hydrocodone and are still taking that, then yes, get rid of the APAP. A CWE is not that tough. Check out the instructions on here. What did you mean by "what I am doing is not nearly as harmful given that I drink on them"? Drinking with opioids or APAP IS harmful and dangerous. Were you trying to say that taking too much APAP is not as dangerous as drinking while taking APAP/opioids?



I don't have any personal experience with snorting them, but I'm sure there are a lot of threads on Bluelight about the topic.


It could be the after-effects of the drug or it could be that you are starting to get a mild dependence. Be very careful as this is a very addictive drug and you could soon find yourself doing it more and more often.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. How does one take oxy regularly and not want it right? Double edge sword. I figure I see people that take 70mgs in a dose, and maybe that is bad. That is why I limit myself to 15-20 a dose. I only take oxy now, unless someone offer me some at a party or something. I dont think I have a physical dependence, but how am I to know?

Also what is a cross-tolerance? I think I know but not sure. Thank you.

Yes Roxi has no APAP...that is why I like it, especially for a drinker like me. I know drinking on Opies is not good but for a 15-20 oral user it cant be terrible as opposed to the APAP pills I used to eat while drinking.

Link me if you see a snort thread, or anyone that can chime in. Thanks.


As for the last. Given my dosage, I get slight nods, body highs. But I do this intentoinally as to not take too much and have to dose very high.

Anyone is encouraged to respond here, and I thank you swimmdancer for doing so.

I look forward to more responses. Hopefully addressing this like I have will encourage educated responses like swimmdancer

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Well the most important thing to avoid dependence is to try not to take it very often. It's not good to take higher doses because of the risk of overdose, plus they can be more mentally addicting, but dependence has more to do with how frequently you take a drug.

What I meant was that oxycodone and hydrocodone are both opioids, so even if you alternate them that will not prevent you from developing a dependence to opioids. Like if you took oxycodone one day, then hydrocodone the next, then oxy again, as far as developing a tolerance and dependence it is no different from if you took oxy every day. So it's best to stick to opioids once a week, regardless of which opioid it is.

Also a tip for you to get more replies in the future try to use a subject line that describes your question. People who have relevant knowledge are more likely to read your thread if the title explains what your thread is about. Like for this thread you could have maybe posted something like "Snorting Roxies, CWE on APAP/Hydrocodone, and avoiding dependence", or whatever you felt your most important questions were.

As for snorting the Roxies, here is what comes up in a search when you type in "snorting Roxies":
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=009513...es#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=snorting roxies&gsc.page=1

You could also try other search terms like "snorting Roxicodone", "snorting oxy", "intranasal oxycodone", etc.

EDIT: And as to how to tell if you're developing a dependence, it can be difficult at first, but most people get addicted mentally before they get dependent physically, and they may not realize they are physically dependent until it is pretty severe, or they are too addicted to care. So it's a risky road to walk with trying to use opioids recreationally. People usually start out with getting symptoms when they don't use for a day or 2, like feeling fatigued, depression, runny nose, watery eyes, yawning, achy muscles, etc. But you may not have all of those if it's just the very beginnings of a mild dependence. If you feel like you are feeling worse on the days when you don't take the drug than you did the day after doing it when you first started using, then you should start wondering if the symptoms are caused by dependence forming as opposed to just the "come-down" or "hangover" of a drug. Opioids don't usually have much of a "hangover" or come-down" unless you take a large dose.

 

[twinkie13]

Very informative. I really appreciate your response. If a mod could change the title, or you to get more traffic I would appreciate it.

 

[twinkie13]

Orally, 15mg gives me a buzz. Hate to start doing more than that Lol. Anyone find snorting a waste as opposed to oral?

 

[laCster]

first of all, DONT SNORT HYDROCODONE WITH APAP!! IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND HARMFUL TO SNORT APAP!!

secondly, while CWE removes some apap, there is always resisdual apap that iis there, so i would definitely not drink heavily or daily.

if you drank the night before, wait another day to where you havent had alcohol and take the hydro. apap and alcohol are extremely malevolent to your liver and you definitely want to keep your liver in good shape. if you have 1-2 beers or glasses of wine or w/e with the apap you will be fine, but i am worried about the heavy drinking and drinking every day. esecpailly while taking apap!!

yes it ddefinitely worries me that you are a heavy drinker because you are fucking up your liver already, and adding apa will procure more free radicals in your liver potentially leading to cirrhosis or liver failure.

if you want to take the hydro, wait atleast 1-2 days after drinking and then take it and DONT DRINK OON IT!!! and please please please swallow the hydro!!! it is extremely important not to because it will cause tremendous damage to your nasal cavaties. hydro has an excellent BA when swallowed (80%+)


dont drink and drive and dont drive under the influence of hydro!! please take my post into consideration because i would hate to see a fellow bluelighter hurt their body mind and spirit through using drugs.

 

[twinkie13]

first of all, DONT SNORT HYDROCODONE WITH APAP!! IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND HARMFUL TO SNORT APAP!!

secondly, while CWE removes some apap, there is always resisdual apap that iis there, so i would definitely not drink heavily or daily.

if you drank the night before, wait another day to where you havent had alcohol and take the hydro. apap and alcohol are extremely malevolent to your liver and you definitely want to keep your liver in good shape. if you have 1-2 beers or glasses of wine or w/e with the apap you will be fine, but i am worried about the heavy drinking and drinking every day. esecpailly while taking apap!!

yes it ddefinitely worries me that you are a heavy drinker because you are fucking up your liver already, and adding apa will procure more free radicals in your liver potentially leading to cirrhosis or liver failure.

if you want to take the hydro, wait atleast 1-2 days after drinking and then take it and DONT DRINK OON IT!!! and please please please swallow the hydro!!! it is extremely important not to because it will cause tremendous damage to your nasal cavaties. hydro has an excellent BA when swallowed (80%+)


dont drink and drive and dont drive under the influence of hydro!! please take my post into consideration because i would hate to see a fellow bluelighter hurt their body mind and spirit through using drugs.

I now have someone that can get 30 mg oxycodone(small blue pills)....I believe these have no APAP.

I stopped taking the ones with APAP because of my drinking....oxy itself shouldnt be harmful with alcohol(meaning the APAP is the bad shit for the liver right?)

 

[twinkie13]

lacster thanx for your concern and post btw

 

[Sprout]

Opiates, regardless of APAP content, are dangerous to combine with alcohol due to co-occuring respiratory depression.

Many have died mixing opiates with alcohol, more often benzos but you should never administer two respiratory depressants simultaneously.