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8mg Buprenorphine induction didn't work at all for pod withdrawal( report)

everlost

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Background: I had been ingesting on average 8-10 oz of raw grounds per day. I have used as much as 28 oz, partly as grounds and partly as tea because it would be nearly impossible to get down that much grounds. I draninking down grounds is much easier than making tea, and it seemed more efficient too.

I had also been taking 5 somas several times per week mainly to sleep. Somas definitely do get me high at those doses, especially if I have a few drinks. I had been taking 2-4mg zanax twice per week in addition to my 3mg knolopin per day for generalized anxiety. I just had to laugh when my psychyatrist said he bupe was kinda overkill for me.

Before took the buprenorphine I waited 48 hours before going in, before which I took just about the largest dose I have ever taken, not a good idea I know. At first they gave me 4mg and when that didnt do anything the other 4. That didn't work either. I was severely anxious, chilled and was starting to have some cramps and aches. Then they said I could go home or try a higher dose, which I declined partly because I was in severe pain partly from being in the same position for 7 hours on a hospital bed and it was very late. I was told that what I had been given was the normal dose for heroin and that only very high doses had it not responded. 8mg sounds low to me and in retrospect I should have accepted the high dose. So I was basically told that I should go home and dring pods beause it didnt seem to work at all.

So I tapered down to about 1/3 to 1/4 of what I had been on previously over about 1 month and then go cold turkey off that believeing I had tapered down enough and partly cause the clinic was taking way too long to get me more bupe. After a few days I was writhing around withcramps and crying out in pain and anxiety(the worst ive ever experienced) and could hardly walk or remember anything. On the 7th day after feeling horrible I got so mad I ate 150mg hydro(had been taking 50mg per day for a few days) after the doctors at the clinic refused to give any sleep meds at all, not even a clonidine patch. I had ran out of soma too. After that I stuck it out through 3 weeks of hell with just 50mg hydro a day, which didnt really do that much it seemed. It has been a little over 3 weeks and I finally feel better. 2 days ago I was still feeling so bad I wished I wa dead, cramping so bad I was still writhing around.

Now I may be having benzo withdrawal cause I had taken 8-10mg zanax per day(no klonopin) for over 2 weeks because nothing else would help at all. I tried tapering last week but always find myself tasking an extra dose at least every 48 hours. This morning my blood pressure was 174 over 98 (It is normally very low) and pulse was 125. I took 1mg more klonopin a few drinks and felt MUCH better. I am still on 40mg of hydro per day.

In conclusion, poppy pods seem to act much more like a long lasting opiate in that it takes 2-3 days to be in the worst withdrawal and lasted 3-4 weeks, even on top of 40mg hydro per day. I wonder if I was having soma withdrawal too? I understand that 2 days to withdrawal is unheard of with heroin. I don't know how this compares to quitting heroin but it was really bad.
 
not sure about the question....but, in my opinion, WDs--regardless of H or a shorter acting opiate--always last longer than 2 days (though H WDs can be shorter in the physical sense).

anyway, not sure what your ? is...

swybs
 
swybs said:

anyway, not sure what your ? is...


me neither, but I do know one thing: No matter what, there is no completely discomfort-free method of coming off of a moderate to heavy opiate habit; no matter what your opiate of choice is......Bupe helps A LOT in my experience, but it's just the "nature of the beast" that opiate WD's are going to suck at some point, no matter what you do.......Of course thje suckiness can me minimized fairly well, but it's still there.... :\

I apologize if this isn't relevant to your orig. post.....I'm coke up right now...forgive me.....it's just my experience.....:\
 
If I understood your post correctly, it sounds as if you took too large a dose of PT as your "last hurrah" and didn't wait long enough after that before taking the 8 mg Bupe (which could explain a lot of why you felt worse not better), and then it was after that that you went through the extended and bad WDs and didn't get to try the Bupe again? I may have misunderstood part of that, but if not, two things come to mind:

1. after going through such extended opiate WDs, trying the Bupe again could prove much more effective. From what I understand, 8 mg ought to be effective with a moderate habit, which is what you have the equivalent of after going through the WDs you describe (it sounds like you had a large habit before).
2. I don't know but the benzo could very well be making things much harder, so you could maybe want to try doing each WD independently.

Don't give up! You've already gone through a lot of the worst, it sounds like, so think hard before going back up to those levels of PT.
 
anthropod, I did not feel any worse at all after taking the bupe, if anything I felt just a little better(less cramps maybe) and I was told that what happened to me was very similar to what happens to people on too high a dose of heroin. I should have tried a higher dose of bupe, i have read 24-32mg for a large habit. One reason I made this report is because some people doubt how addictive PT is.
 
anthropod, I did not feel any worse at all after taking the bupe, if anything I felt just a little better(less cramps maybe) and I was told that what happened to me was very similar to what happens to people on too high a dose of heroin. I should have tried a higher dose of bupe, i have read 24-32mg for a large habit. One reason I made this report is because some people doubt how addictive PT is.

I am not addicted to a larger than normal dose of xanax, it has been 3 days and I feel MUCH better. It was all PT WD, and without all that xanax the anxiety would have been even more unbearable.
 
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