Kratom 7OH - Oxycodone and 7OH cross tolerance help

[Them Witches]

Understood. Just a simple misunderstanding. But if you read my post you’d see that I’ve been doing this for 8 years and while the effects of opioids have definitively decreased I’m still in love with them and have been for 8 years. If I wasn’t I wouldn’t still be here doing them after almost 9 years now.

a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down in the most delightful way...

 

[helpingout]

You’re a fucking idiot lol that’s not what I even said. I said it’s in much lower concentrations than with pure synthetically produced 7OH, which IT IS. I was pointing out that Kratom leaf has much lower concentrations of 7OH and thus different effects than with the 7OH synthetic extracts and ANYONE who’s tried both will tell you the effects are significantly different because one is pure synthetically produced 7OH and one has smaller concentrations of 7OH. I never said Kratom leafs main effects don’t come predominantly from 7OH. Learn to fucking read
Stop getting emotional and taking my comments personally, no one’s attacking you or anyone else you egotistical cunt.

You’re trying to explain that a pure product has a different effect than a smaller amount of the same product?

You’re typing at me and calling me an egotistical cunt. While you explain the simplest of concepts as if it isn’t implicit. That does not change that it is foolish to think of it that way.

Take alcohol. Beer is very different than ethanol but both substances produce the same effect profile albeit in intensity the beers effect is diminished. But drinking enough beer and you can reach a blood alcohol level that would make a person objectively under the influence of alcohol. Since we’re stating obvious facts.

Your idiotic fucking bullshit rant can be summarized down to your dumb ass fucking main point you fucking moron; Taking a larger dose of the drug which Kratoms prodrug instigates without the accompanying alkaloids produces a more pure experience. In both instances the drug you’re experiencing is 7oh you ignoramus.

I can read and the most salient point of your post is that you’re a fucking asshole.

7oh takes about 100 days for the tolerance to reset. Source: being the guy who’s spent the entire last year kicking and lapsing on 7oh. I’ve spent far more of the year sober than I have using 7oh. Used to use heron and I get these violent withdrawals whenever I use any opiate now. That said my tolerance has been able to reset completely but my ability to satiate my craving of the extreme of opiate experience I expect relative to the opioid I was using, 7, left me some times taking so much I’d get sick and just feel awful. Sleep for two or
Three days. Be late to work. All of it. Dumb shit.

Whatever, I forgive you for being an asshole, and I hope you’ll forgive me for being an asshole in turn. Good luck with your goals.

 

[helpingout]

You’re trying to explain that a pure product has a different effect than a smaller amount of the same product?

You’re typing at me and calling me an egotistical cunt. While you explain the simplest of concepts as if it isn’t implicit. That does not change that it is foolish to think of it that way.

Take alcohol. Beer is very different than ethanol but both substances produce the same effect profile albeit in intensity the beers effect is diminished. But drinking enough beer and you can reach a blood alcohol level that would make a person objectively under the influence of alcohol. Since we’re stating obvious facts.

Your idiotic fucking bullshit rant can be summarized down to your dumb ass fucking main point you fucking moron; Taking a larger dose of the drug which Kratoms prodrug instigates without the accompanying alkaloids produces a more pure experience. In both instances the drug you’re experiencing is 7oh you ignoramus.

I can read and the most salient point of your post is that you’re a fucking asshole.

7oh takes about 100 days for the tolerance to reset. Source: being the guy who’s spent the entire last year kicking and lapsing on 7oh. I’ve spent far more of the year sober than I have using 7oh. Used to use heron and I get these violent withdrawals whenever I use any opiate now. That said my tolerance has been able to reset completely but my ability to satiate my craving of the extreme of opiate experience I expect relative to the opioid I was using, 7, left me some times taking so much I’d get sick and just feel awful. Sleep for two or
Three days. Be late to work. All of it. Dumb shit.

Whatever, I forgive you for being an asshole, and I hope you’ll forgive me for being an asshole in turn. Good luck with your goals.

If you get sick from the single time use I found outlasting that sickness by about two weeks was enough to keep me in a somewhat diminished withdrawal cycle but it really required me being sick for the workweek and then dosing on the first night of the weekend. Feeling alright the next day kind of opioid glow. And then back to sick for the week. I’d feel so stupid when I was finally feeling better and the first thing I’d do was go back to it.

 

[helpingout]

But you’re not truly better. I think your system needs about 100 days of abstinence to really reset the receptors but the brains own desire for a strong experience often leads to consequences

 

[Psynaught]

Well 1 thing is for sure: 70H seems to be nearly as dangerous as other opioids. I am going to count it pretty much as the same as taking Oxy (my favorite high) or fent (a shitty high). It seems that if I get high more than once a week I am definitely moving towards addiction. I have been fine taking regular Kratom 5 grams a day for a long time. I think it was about a week ago, maybe longer, that I got high off opioids. Maybe 10 days ago.

I took 30 mgs of real Oxy, 1 Mexican blue (which if course is fent) and waited 40 minutes and then took half a tab of Opia Strawberry 30 (which tested at 26 mgs). Half an hour later I took the other half. That was enough to enjoy.

 

[Them Witches]

I took 30 mgs of real Oxy, 1 Mexican blue (which if course is fent) and waited 40 minutes and then took half a tab of Opia Strawberry 30 (which tested at 26 mgs). Half an hour later I took the other half. That was enough to enjoy.

I read this like something was going to pop out of a cannon. Then realized I am jealous af of your tolerance and dependency.

 

[Psynaught]

I read this like something was going to pop out of a cannon. Then realized I am jealous af of your tolerance and dependency.

I read this forum and study. I am not paranoid about an opiod addiction....it is a LEGIT concern. And I do things one day at a time. Not going to take any opioids tonight (except for a little Kratom). On Friday I will be taking some X. I am super conservative with that, too. I start out with half a hit and then add maybe another quarter an hour and a half later. That is usually enough for me. My friend laughs at me because he does a hit and a half. Plus he smokes weed plus drinks. Plus he has coke.

AS long as I don't touch alcohol I am usually good. I don't take for granted that my use is controlled, I know how fast that control can disappear.

That is why I read everything Kief writes.

 

[Them Witches]

I read this forum and study. I am not paranoid about an opiod addiction....it is a LEGIT concern. And I do things one day at a time. Not going to take any opioids tonight (except for a little Kratom). On Friday I will be taking some X. I am super conservative with that, too. I start out with half a hit and then add maybe another quarter an hour and a half later. That is usually enough for me. My friend laughs at me because he does a hit and a half. Plus he smokes weed plus drinks. Plus he has coke.

AS long as I don't touch alcohol I am usually good. I don't take for granted that my use is controlled, I know how fast that control can disappear.

That is why I read everything Kief writes.

I do not mess with illicit drugs anymore. I have all the prescriptions I could ever want and I am on a custom contract. If I get a drunk in public, DUI, any drug charge, I lose all my Rx's. If my Rx's were to be stolen, I would be assed out and would have to go to a hospital until the refills are due.

 

[Psynaught]

Anyone try the UltraSeven 80 mg double stacks? They got great reviews on reddit. I have a bunch of Opia Strawberry 30 mgs but a pretty great price just came up on the Ultra 80's. Mods, I don't know if I can talk about price but these are 76 George Wash shipped for 12 tabs. That is 6 kerddoodles per tab.

 

[Them Witches]

Anyone try the UltraSeven 80 mg double stacks? They got great reviews on reddit. I have a bunch of Opia Strawberry 30 mgs but a pretty great price just came up on the Ultra 80's. Mods, I don't know if I can talk about price but these are 76 George Wash shipped for 12 tabs. That is 6 kerddoodles per tab.

The Opia "ultra" is the 60mg tablets 4qty per pack (240mg). It is good but 7-OH is so easy to build a tolerance to. it takes 720mg for me to even feel it anymore so I am done with 7-OH. waste of money IMO for people like myself.

 

[Psynaught]

The Opia "ultra" is the 60mg tablets 4qty per pack (240mg). It is good but 7-OH is so easy to build a tolerance to. it takes 720mg for me to even feel it anymore so I am done with 7-OH. waste of money IMO for people like myself.

I have not taken any 7oH...or any opioids except a little Kratom for a week. On Sat I will probably try a half tab of the 80 mg double stacks if. I get them in by then. UltraSeven is a different band from Opia. They got good reviews over on Reddit.

 

[Chaos21]

You’re trying to explain that a pure product has a different effect than a smaller amount of the same product?

You’re typing at me and calling me an egotistical cunt. While you explain the simplest of concepts as if it isn’t implicit. That does not change that it is foolish to think of it that way.

Take alcohol. Beer is very different than ethanol but both substances produce the same effect profile albeit in intensity the beers effect is diminished. But drinking enough beer and you can reach a blood alcohol level that would make a person objectively under the influence of alcohol. Since we’re stating obvious facts.

Your idiotic fucking bullshit rant can be summarized down to your dumb ass fucking main point you fucking moron; Taking a larger dose of the drug which Kratoms prodrug instigates without the accompanying alkaloids produces a more pure experience. In both instances the drug you’re experiencing is 7oh you ignoramus.

I can read and the most salient point of your post is that you’re a fucking asshole.

7oh takes about 100 days for the tolerance to reset. Source: being the guy who’s spent the entire last year kicking and lapsing on 7oh. I’ve spent far more of the year sober than I have using 7oh. Used to use heron and I get these violent withdrawals whenever I use any opiate now. That said my tolerance has been able to reset completely but my ability to satiate my craving of the extreme of opiate experience I expect relative to the opioid I was using, 7, left me some times taking so much I’d get sick and just feel awful. Sleep for two or
Three days. Be late to work. All of it. Dumb shit.

Whatever, I forgive you for being an asshole, and I hope you’ll forgive me for being an asshole in turn. Good luck with your goals.

I am not sure what you guys are arguing about, or why it's come to insults but I can say with 100% certainty that taking 7OH extract is drastically different than taking kratom leaf powder. It has some other good stuff in it that changes the effect.

I like powder kratom more, but I also cannot stand the taste of it. I prefer taking 7OH simply because ease of use, and also the powder kratom often make me nauseous. Theres been many times I've thrown up just from taking the kratom, before it even took effect.

I've also gotten nauseous from taking too much 7OH but it's only happens to me once. I'm not daily user but regular kratom gets me sicker way easier than 7OH. I usually take 45-60mg of 7OH but I've taken up to 120mg at once when I was withdrawing from opiates

 

[Halif2]

Yes I did, the post about the elastic band, yes unfortunately it was useless to me, no offense to him of course. With all due respect, 1. I don’t some pretentious lecture about where I will be ending up and number 2. He said he doesn’t know opioid tolerance to be “resettable” which is laughable at best and dangerous misinformation at worst.

Unfortunately I’m not getting any real answers here to either questions so I guess I’ll have to find an answer myself. I’m just gonna wing it,

"not getting real answers"? What did you want? Someone to just tell you that you've got the right idea and it'll all work out exactly as you hope?

Any advice from people who’ve been in a similar situation would be really appreciated.

It sounds like you've already decided that you know what is best for you, which is fine. But you could be a bit more gracious when people try to help.

 

[chippermonk]

At this point, I don’t feel the 7OH like I used to either so my plan is to stop the 7OH, go back to raw kratom leaf (maybe with some OPMS if needed),

My questions are:

1. How long of a break on just plain kratom leaf would I need before oxy starts working again? I’m thinking at the very least a week, and to start low at 30mg just to test the waters for safety sake.

Edit: Unfortunately I’m not getting any real answers here to either questions so I guess I’ll have to find an answer myself. I’m just gonna wing it, take a week or two off the 7, use nothing but plain leaf, and try oxycodone again. I’m gonna probably start at 30mg instead of my usual 90mg as I don’t want to overdose accidentally. I will report back at some point

So how did your try go? I'm sure someone would find it useful to hear your experience. I haven't been in your situation but that seems like a lot of 7 oh tolerance to reset. I would think it would take quite awhile to reset, not to mention just to get over the withdrawals from quitting
Good luck

 

[Psynaught]

I am not sure what you guys are arguing about, or why it's come to insults but I can say with 100% certainty that taking 7OH extract is drastically different than taking kratom leaf powder. It has some other good stuff in it that changes the effect.

I like powder kratom more, but I also cannot stand the taste of it. I prefer taking 7OH simply because ease of use, and also the powder kratom often make me nauseous. Theres been many times I've thrown up just from taking the kratom, before it even took effect.

I've also gotten nauseous from taking too much 7OH but it's only happens to me once. I'm not daily user but regular kratom gets me sicker way easier than 7OH. I usually take 45-60mg of 7OH but I've taken up to 120mg at once when I was withdrawing from opiates

I am not sure how much Kratom you are taking.....but it would have to be A LOT to equal 60 mgs of 7OH. I take 5 grams of Kratom most days and more would definitely make me nauseous. But 5 grams is perfect for a mood lift at nigh after my workout and gives me just enough energy to take my dog out for her walk.

20 mgs of 7OH and I am extremely high. But I only take it about every 5-6 days or so.

But you are right, 7OH is DRASTICALLY different from taking Kratom. Kratom (at least for me) is like my morning coffee. 7OH is like a real opiod in my book.

 

[jdubbs691980]

Hello everyone,

So I’ve been using oxycodone and kratom for about 8 years. My routine for most of that time was daily kratom leaf (2–4 times per day, around 20–30 GPD total) with weekly oxycodone use — usually 2–3 times per week. On those days, I’d grab some blues (100% real ones), typically 6 at a time. I’d take 3 (about 90mg) at once, then another 3 a few hours later. Even with daily kratom, I always felt the oxy just fine.


Back in April, I found out about 7OH and quickly began using daily and in that time I took a break from oxy (about 2-3 months). This gradually escalated, and now I’m at 200+mg of 7OH per day with no kratom leaf and no oxy use. About a month and a half ago I tried going back to oxy; I took 90mg about 5–6 hours after my 7OH dose and felt nothing. Tried another 90mg an hour later — still nothing. So it’s clear the 7OH has wreaked havoc on my tolerance.

At this point, I don’t feel the 7OH like I used to either so my plan is to stop the 7OH, go back to raw kratom leaf (maybe with some OPMS if needed), and take a tolerance break before trying oxy again.

My questions are:

1. How long of a break on just plain kratom leaf would I need before oxy starts working again? I’m thinking at the very least a week, and to start low at 30mg just to test the waters for safety sake.
2. What should I expect in terms of withdrawals when switching back to raw leaf after 5–6 months of heavy daily 7OH use?

Any advice from people who’ve been in a similar situation would be really appreciated. Thanks a lot!

Ps
I’m new to Bluelight and this is my first post so forgive me if I’m not posting in the correct place.

Edit: Unfortunately I’m not getting any real answers here to either questions so I guess I’ll have to find an answer myself. I’m just gonna wing it, take a week or two off the 7, use nothing but plain leaf, and try oxycodone again. I’m gonna probably start at 30mg instead of my usual 90mg as I don’t want to overdose accidentally. I will report back at some point but if anyone has a real answer to this please let me know. Someone who’s actually had experience doing what I’m talking about, not conjecture like I’m getting from moderators.

Alright. So I’ll make this short and sweet. I’m Retired Army. I’ve had multiple surgeries from my tenure. After a long bout with opioids that started with docs wanting to help and give me what they thought would help me. It ofc became a fix all. After about a decade of doing every opioid in the book, I had ofc had to resort to the street and ended up finding H. Then I found I loved speedballs. It wasn’t long before I had met God. He told me it wasn’t time.

Well here I am years later. On Suboxone daily. I’ve learned that I can take small doses of subs for maintenance and still enjoy 07. What that is doing to my receptors has to be hell. But I like it. YOLO. Anyways, I haven’t don’t any other opioids in about 8yrs. Today I decided to take that leap just for shits and gigs. I see there isn’t a lot of research on 07 and opioids being mixed.

I’ve seen a common theme amongst folks that they have never got off the hydros/oxy’s etc and try 07. 07 by itself is awesome but short lived. So, I just took a 5mg OXY. Back in the day it would have been nothing. Earlier today I took about 120mg of 07. So I thought I wouldn’t feel anything if I took these oxy’s. Boy was I wrong. So, my note to yall is if you haven’t took one or the other for a long time .. taking the one you haven’t after as long as I have WILL add to the bliss. I’m euphoric as hell right now and haven’t felt this way in a very very long time. This is with a 2.5mg dose of Subs for maintenance this morning. I hope this helps! And as always know your tolerance and if you haven’t done something before bring a spotter with a narco can. Happy Holidays!

 

[Kryphex Vexor]

Alright. So I’ll make this short and sweet. I’m Retired Army. I’ve had multiple surgeries from my tenure. After a long bout with opioids that started with docs wanting to help and give me what they thought would help me. It ofc became a fix all. After about a decade of doing every opioid in the book, I had ofc had to resort to the street and ended up finding H. Then I found I loved speedballs. It wasn’t long before I had met God. He told me it wasn’t time.

Well here I am years later. On Suboxone daily. I’ve learned that I can take small doses of subs for maintenance and still enjoy 07. What that is doing to my receptors has to be hell. But I like it. YOLO. Anyways, I haven’t don’t any other opioids in about 8yrs. Today I decided to take that leap just for shits and gigs. I see there isn’t a lot of research on 07 and opioids being mixed.

I’ve seen a common theme amongst folks that they have never got off the hydros/oxy’s etc and try 07. 07 by itself is awesome but short lived. So, I just took a 5mg OXY. Back in the day it would have been nothing. Earlier today I took about 120mg of 07. So I thought I wouldn’t feel anything if I took these oxy’s. Boy was I wrong. So, my note to yall is if you haven’t took one or the other for a long time .. taking the one you haven’t after as long as I have WILL add to the bliss. I’m euphoric as hell right now and haven’t felt this way in a very very long time. This is with a 2.5mg dose of Subs for maintenance this morning. I hope this helps! And as always know your tolerance and if you haven’t done something before bring a spotter with a narco can. Happy Holidays!

Thanks man I appreciate your story lol you remind me of myself. YOLO lol. Been on opiates for 8 years myself. Lots of pretentious douchebags in here and it’s so nice to hear from someone so down to earth.
Anyway, I used to take 90mgs of oxy before I started on this 7oh shit and it’s been like 6 months since I’ve even touched it. I have such a high 7oh tolerance that I was planning on starting with a high oxy dose when I try it again, partly because of people saying shit like “7oh increases tolerance permanently” and a bunch of other stupid shit. So thank you because you just helped me really really reconsider starting too high. Thanks for the reply, you’re literally one of the only people that actually answered this question.

 

[chippermonk]

Thanks man I appreciate your story lol you remind me of myself. YOLO lol. Been on opiates for 8 years myself. Lots of pretentious douchebags in here and it’s so nice to hear from someone so down to earth.
Anyway, I used to take 90mgs of oxy before I started on this 7oh shit and it’s been like 6 months since I’ve even touched it. I have such a high 7oh tolerance that I was planning on starting with a high oxy dose when I try it again, partly because of people saying shit like “7oh increases tolerance permanently” and a bunch of other stupid shit. So thank you because you just helped me really really reconsider starting too high. Thanks for the reply, you’re literally one of the only people that actually answered this question.

I believe you said awhile back that you were going to drop the 7oh for a week or two and use kratom leaf, before then switching back to oxy? Perhaps I misunderstood, though.
Anyhow, how has that gone? I'm asking because people are always trying to figure these sorts of things out here on BL but we often don't hear how it worked out in the end. There is a lot of confusion about how cross tolerances work for people and your experience could help. I think it's especially going to be helpful as it becomes harder to get 7oh.

 

[Kryphex Vexor]

I believe you said awhile back that you were going to drop the 7oh for a week or two and use kratom leaf, before then switching back to oxy? Perhaps I misunderstood, though.
Anyhow, how has that gone? I'm asking because people are always trying to figure these sorts of things out here on BL but we often don't hear how it worked out in the end. There is a lot of confusion about how cross tolerances work for people and your experience could help. I think it's especially going to be helpful as it becomes harder to get 7oh.

Yeah that was the plan but Tbh, life’s just kind of been crazy lately, very busy, and I haven’t really dropped the 7oh yet. Honestly I thought this shit would be illegal by now lol. I still plan on dropping it and going back to Kratom leaf at some point though. Probably within the next few months. I’ll give everyone an update once I do that.