7 Reasons Parents Should Not Test Kids for Drug Use

Finder said:
Of course you don't. People should never be responsible for their own actions. Personal accountability in the US is almost completely dead. :|
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This is not about personal accountability no matter how you try to spin it.

They did exactly what the society says is right. It's hard to find a counter-opinion from anyone with any authority. I just googled a half dozen different queries and got nothing.

I didn't get anything valuable until I started looking through Pubmed and similar se's. This isn't something most people know of or would even think to do.

local governments push these programs on kids and their parents whenever there are big enough problems at school or at home. Hell, I saw one kid getting tested because he was failing algebra and told his teacher to go blow herself (i remember the odd choice of words). In-school police were called and eventaully he got put on this intensive supervision program. weekly testing, 3x week visit from 'caseworker.'

Yeah, it's nonsense and drug testing can have very negative results (but then again, it also has positive results for some people who want to quite using) Until this message starts getting out, and the negatives start being known- and actually proven, it's simply wrong to blame these parents.

If you're so big on personal responsibility, why aren't you blaming the kid? He was old enough to research the dangers of huffing and know what he was doing. He chose to do so anyway. He's the one who was ultimately responsible for his choices- not his parents.
 
Yeah, I gotta agree about being tested having the risk of making someone switch to harder drugs (which I have always found it ironic that hard drugs stay in your system for shorter periods of time than weed, and some not at all) Still, the parents did what they thought was best, I don't blame them for it.

And wtf is up with that last name, I would hate to have that last name o.o
 
What I don't get is that many of these parents were in their late-teens/early-20's during the Summer of Love. Most of them either smoked pot in their day or had friends who survived such behavior.

Now these same people have bought into the whole "drug war" thing, and I find it quite mystifying, to say the least... :\
 
I could not agree with this more. I really, truly believe that home drug testing is not only ineffective, but does drive kids to use other undetectable drugs. Take it from me- ever since my parents started testing me I've been taking muscle relaxants, acid, and doing a ridiculous number of whippets. The drug problem doesn't just disappear.
 
Nobody should drug test anybody for any reason. Unless it's corpses to determine a cause of death, for the purpose of closure for the grieving loved ones. In my opinion drug tests are just stupid, you don't have to drug test me, just ask me what drugs I have done in the past month and I will tell you.

WHY WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A HOME OR PROFESSIONAL DRUG TEST IF YOU COULD JUST HAVE AN OPEN DIALOG WITH YOUR CHLD???

Some people's parents...

-Inrvizion
 
Blazin_Ridim said:
i feel bad 4 the parents because in the end they just trying to help and make there son have a gud life( in their eyes) and ended up loseing there son
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Me too, I feel bad for eveyone who is ignorant like these parents were... Hopefully they learned their lesson, at a high cost but hopefully nonetheless. :|
 
I know someone whos stupid parents drug test her. She doesn't smoke weed because it stays in your system way to long so she takes other drugs instead. First it was alcohol and alot of it, then DXM on a almost daily basis but she has thankfully majorly cut down on that.

Unfortunately she has now discovered prescription pills the most dangerous being methadone which she and the idiot who gives it to her have no clue about. She and the idiot have no idea how dangerous methadone can be and is one of the easier ones to overdose on due to it's slow onset and long half life. I had to tell her that although she may not feel high anymore the methadone is still in her system and redosing especially for a person with no tolerance would be really dangerous.

She also takes xanax, vicodin, loratabs, various hydrocodone and codeine cough syrups and other prescription pills to get high. If i had not warned her how dangerous these meds can be and how to take them somewhat safely she could very well be dead. Thankfully she has not become addicted to any of these drugs and now keeps it to occasional use.

She likes weed and would be happy to stick to it if not for the fact that her parents would send her to rehab if she tested positive. She actually got sent to a rehab facility due to drinking and smoking weed and was surrounded by crackheads, meth addicts and heroin addicts. So she was a little out of place considering her main drug at that point was weed 8) .

It was after being sent to rehab that she gave up smoking weed and took up drinking heavily. The problems at home with her parents didnt help at all thats for sure. So drug tests are a great way to keep your kids from using cannabis anyway :\
 
Some kid in my town fell backwards into an abandoned mineshaft, falling 300 feet to his death while huffing duster. SHITTY.
 
it's all true. when i was in IOP (intensive outpatient program) due to the weekly, sometimes 2-3 drug tests per week, everyone went from whatever drugs they were testing for to alcohol. it didn't stop drug use at all, atleast with the group of people i was with. like the article said, people just switch substances to beat the system. that's not always the case but when dealing with younger kids u know thats what they will try to do and not even younger people, even the older crowd too.

Edit: as we all probably know too, like people have mentioned above and the article as well, prescription pills definitely have a large fan base now-a-days
 
First of all, little note to Finder. Do you really think that they did not sit down and talk to their child? What makes you jump to the conclusion (a conclusion backed by pretty cocky, unpleasant posts) that the parents "blindly drug tested him and threw him in rehab..."

I'm pretty sure that most kids (and plenty of young and even old adults) are immature, are egotistical, and quite simply "don't want to hear it."

I used to not want to hear it. When I was in high school and my parents got me in trouble for smoking pot and doing drugs, I did the exact same thing that lots of kids do. I lied, I got aggrevated at any (usually correct) accusation, and I snuck around, taking whatever drugs I could get my hand on that my parents wouldn't catch me with. My parents attempted an open dialogue, all they really wanted was for me to be responsible and actaully discuss what I was doing seriously and honestly with them, but as an immature kid, I felt what most kids feel about this, that it was fucking annoying and that my parents "didn't know what they were talking about," so I didnt have to listen to them.

It takes a whole hell of a good relationship, I think, for a Kid to openly come out and discuss his feelings on drugs, when all that he's ever heard in his life is that they are bad, from teachers, the gov't, the media, and they're parents.

Long story short, no blame needs to be assigned. Yes, the parents could have taken another course of action, and just maybe the kids life would have been saved. Yes, the kid could have done his research, could have had a bit less of a case of the invincible's, and maybe his life would have been saved. But people only know what they experience from day one, they don't just have the ability to spontaneously generate experience or information, and no one needs to get angry or point fingers at either party whenever a sad (but not that sad...) isolated incident like this occurs.

Openness and understanding certainly are key to ending the drug war and curbing the problems and abuses of drug use! But that requires ACTUAL openness and understanding of all people, especially those who abuse and have problems!

Ahhh what was this thread about in the first place? What was I originally about to post? I don't fucking remember
 
drunken_etard said:
There is a episode of Intervention on tonight(Canada) about a girl who huffs computer duster. Looks like an insane episode. I bet it already played in the USA.
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I saw it last night. The episode isnt really insane, but she most certainly is.
 
Yeah this is sad tragedy that happened, but I don't blame the parents, I blame the fucking kid........He obviously knew his parents were against his drug use, so instead of listening to them, he tried to circumvent the problem and find other ways to get high...... It turns out he wasn't as smart as he thought he was.....Honestly I don't believe in kids taking drugs, when your 18 or 21 you can make that decision, but until then, listen to your parents a little bit,
 
sad story,overly controlling parents cauze stuff like this alot.if they legalized the green weed how much less likely thingz like this would be.
 
the real moral to this story is you cant police state your kids or anyone. i have kids and , of course, was a kid who did drugs at one time. i got busted by my parents but rather then flip out i had a long talk with my dad about drug use. my mom told me how she "smoked the pot" when she was younger too. people are going to do what they want no matter how much you yell or scream or make laws against it. drugs have been around for a long time and will be around for along time after we are all gone, and just like sex the only safe way is to not do it, but if you are going to you should have all the facts and be ready to deal with the effects of your choices.
 
Ham-milton said:
shit, they didn't know.
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There is a concept in the law: "knew or should have known".

I think that applies here. Knowing only what authority figures want you to know is being willfully ignorant. That cannot escape criticism.
 
that sucks...

a while back my parents were considering it, i had given up weed for about a month just to show them my piss was clean... i bought my own test to see if i could beat it without any tricks... i failed after 30 days without use...

so that was when i started keeping an eye drops bottle with a bit of bleach in it, i figure that they wouldn't open up the container of piss and take a wiff to see if it was adulterated with bleach...

if i ever have kids i will not test them, ignorance is probably the chief cause of death in drug using kids... most drugs really arent that harmful, there are drug abusers and responsible users. i find ecstasy in their room, im not going to freak out and punish them, that would do nothing... order a god damn test kit so they know what they are taking... of course if i find out about any serious coke, meth, opiate/opioid problem, rehab might be considered... my family has addictive tendency's... alcoholism, meth addiction, benzo/opiate addiction...
 
They should have gone to the root of the problem and corrected the trauma that they caused their son, rather than attack him with police-state tactics. Anyone living in a home where you feel like there is an oppressor would drive someone to drastic measures to escape the oppression. Bottom line, is the kid wanted to get high and was resorting to any method to do so. I mean, huffing some computer duster, thats absurd IMO. I wouldn't necessarily blame the parents, but I would have approached the problem with a sympathetic heart rather than an oppressive attempt to divert his drug abuse.
 
Yeah, blame the parents, that's a great idea........It's all the parents fault, the parents were so stupid instead of trying to stop them, they should educate them about doing drugs............Just in case I missed anything, by the time you are in high school, haven't you already been educated about drugs.......Anybody ever heard of D.A.R.E, that's where you learn about those things......How about kids just shouldn't do drugs, why the fuck do kids have to do drugs.???........Go find a sport, hobby, study harder, hang out with your friends, you have the rest of your life to experiment with drugs, honestly this is utterly ridiculous to blame the parents for doing what they thought was right for their kid....

if i ever have kids i will not test them, ignorance is probably the chief cause of death in drug using kids... most drugs really arent that harmful, there are drug abusers and responsible users. i find ecstasy in their room, im not going to freak out and punish them, that would do nothing... order a god damn test kit so they know what they are taking... of course if i find out about any serious coke, meth, opiate/opioid problem, rehab might be considered... my family has addictive tendency's... alcoholism, meth addiction, benzo/opiate addiction...
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yeah, this makes sense, if you find E it's perfectly fine, but anything else and it's off to rehab...Last time I checked "E "didn't come with a warning "safe for 12 and under"....
 
chucky1432 said:
Yeah, blame the parents, that's a great idea........It's all the parents fault, the parents were so stupid instead of trying to stop them, they should educate them about doing drugs............Just in case I missed anything, by the time you are in high school, haven't you already been educated about drugs.......Anybody ever heard of D.A.R.E, that's where you learn about those things......How about kids just shouldn't do drugs, why the fuck do kids have to do drugs.???........Go find a sport, hobby, study harder, hang out with your friends, you have the rest of your life to experiment with drugs, honestly this is utterly ridiculous to blame the parents for doing what they thought was right for their kid....
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We didnt have D.A.R.E where i live i don't think it's in canada at all actually. But we did have twats telling us that smoking weed could kill you and all this crap. Oh and of course magic mushrooms could cause you to go into a coma and LSD could easily kill you 8) .

So by the time we got around to smoking our first bit of hash and we not only didnt die in fact we didnt get as fucked up as we did off alcohol we figured they where full of shit on everything.

I was about 11 i guess when i smoked hash for the first time (weed wasn't all that prominent here then) and i was 14 when i first tried shrooms.
Fortunately all we had growing up was hash/weed, shrooms and acid. We where lucky enough to get valium now and again as well as the occasional bit of demerol or codeine. But that was as about as hard as drugs went in my area back then. Atleast for kids cause the few coke dealers wouldnt sell to kids back then not that we could have ever afforded the shit anyway.

The fact is teens are gonna take drugs and thats just it. The least you could do would be to educate them about which drugs are bad and have a good chance of killing you. It wasn't until i met a few older people who had been addicted to coke and heroin that i actually believed anyone when they told me that these drugs could be bad.

Unfortunately it was the legal drunk alcohol that i got addicted to for years and that was the one that nearly fucking killed me. I drank really heavy from 17 to 21 and i was definitely a alcoholic. Now 5 years later i still crave the fucking shit.

So if i ever have kids i'll definitely tell them which drugs are bad because i don't want them going around like half the 16 year olds here now smoking crack everyday. I may also show them what they may turn out like if they take up heavy drinking and hard drug use by showing them a few of my relatives. That should scare them =D .
 
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