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Kratom 7-OH Snorting Bioavailability?
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I have never attempted snorting 7-OH, however, I have snorted mitragynine pseudoindoxyl and it definitely works just fine via that route. In fact, it makes it speedier.... although, I generally preferred just eating it.
It may have lower bioavailability, I'm not sure, but it is definitely speedier via that route.... but again, I'm talking about pseudoindoxyl not 7-oh, very different drugs effects wise.
I really don't see the point in snorting 7-OH anyways. It's not going to give you a rush.... just eat it man. 7-OH is the "sleeping pill" of mitra derivatives. I look at snorting it like if someone was snorting ambien pills.
It may have lower bioavailability, I'm not sure, but it is definitely speedier via that route.... but again, I'm talking about pseudoindoxyl not 7-oh, very different drugs effects wise.
I really don't see the point in snorting 7-OH anyways. It's not going to give you a rush.... just eat it man. 7-OH is the "sleeping pill" of mitra derivatives. I look at snorting it like if someone was snorting ambien pills.
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Just take them like pills bro. You're gonna end up with talc in your nose.
You know how it goes man lol I’m bored of just eating it and curious to see how snorting it works out
yeah, nothing special bro, especially if you have tolerance, it's really not worth snorting anyways with all those pill fillers
pseudoindoxyl is a different story, the fentanyl of kratom alkaloids
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Generally yes, you won't be able to buy real, 'pure' pseudoindoxyl from a headshop (headshop extracts are normally full spectrum, nothing wrong with that, but for specific alkaloids, go online) or anything like that, and where you find it online, it's very expensive. Honestly you could probably press convincing vicodin with acetaminophen that would taste and feel real with it, if they found a way to get it for much cheaper than it is. IN THEORY, OF COURSE NOBODY SHOULD DO THAT. For example of how strong it is.
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Not to take you guys off topic, but you obviously know way more about kratom than I do, would you guys consider 6-6.5 grams a day of kratom in three doses capable of producing physical addiction within a months time? In other words if you were to simply dose 1.5 grams (3 capsules) 3-4 x daily, separated by 3-4 hour intervals, that should be by my math a pretty tiny daily dosing, shouldn't it? I'm not talking about the 7-oh, but rather just a red vein strain in capsule form? Thanks for any thoughts on the matter...
We don't really have any hard data regarding the pharmacokinetics of Kratom/Mitragynine. It's something that humans have been using for a long time. However, it is not something that we have adopted into Western Medicine so we know very little.
When in doubt, I always go with this:
Oral: 30%
Intranasal: 60%
Rectal: 60%-70%
Injection: 100%
After learning about drugs for a long time, I find that this ratio sticks out often. In the absence of better information, I'd use this to estimate potency.
When in doubt, I always go with this:
Oral: 30%
Intranasal: 60%
Rectal: 60%-70%
Injection: 100%
After learning about drugs for a long time, I find that this ratio sticks out often. In the absence of better information, I'd use this to estimate potency.
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It really depends on your physiology. Some people get damn near dopesick from Kratom, others can take 20 grams a day and claim to have no WD symptoms. If you feel your doses of Kratom, and you take it every day, chances are you won't be very happy when you aren't taking it. Physically, I doubt you'll have a ton of symptoms. Diarrhea, RLS, sad days, insomnia, that's about the worst of quitting Kratom ime. Milage may vary.
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Fuck that shit let people die if they don't do their research
Playing I don't think any Kratom alkaloid (alone) could kill you unless you were trying
I didn't find pseudoindoxyl to be much stronger, just more sedating. I once took 6 tablets of pseudoindoxyl and was disappointed (it was actually 5 pills, then 1). Yes i was nodding off but there was something underwhelming about it.
I always take 7-OH and the pseudoindoxyl sublingually. Which is similar to snorting I suppose (never tried snorting them, and the only ones that seem worth trying are the little pellets). But ill keep on using them sublingually.
I personally find 7-OH has more pop to it, especially when its good quality. I end up manic, cleaning etc, which i like. The pseudoindoxyl isn't very motivating, or particularly euphoric.
They both have a weird comedown to them. I can easily use a dozen 7-OH pills in a day and end up feeling depressed and weird for a few days. In a way that seems distinct from opioid withdrawal. Almost feels like ive been poisoned.
I always take 7-OH and the pseudoindoxyl sublingually. Which is similar to snorting I suppose (never tried snorting them, and the only ones that seem worth trying are the little pellets). But ill keep on using them sublingually.
I personally find 7-OH has more pop to it, especially when its good quality. I end up manic, cleaning etc, which i like. The pseudoindoxyl isn't very motivating, or particularly euphoric.
They both have a weird comedown to them. I can easily use a dozen 7-OH pills in a day and end up feeling depressed and weird for a few days. In a way that seems distinct from opioid withdrawal. Almost feels like ive been poisoned.
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7oh seemed to have the same strength plugged as it did sublingual as it did ingested orally. I never really found any method better than any other with the exception of sublingual which kind of hits in a very tight fifteen minutes. Plugging was very difficult to get into solution. Got it to hit once pretty well but it was really nothing special. I think if you got the powder it would snort very well. I just think it’s extremely hard to get that 7.5 or 15mg dose with a scale exempting the very accurate ones. Otherwise the pills like 7ohmz or likewise it just doesn’t matter. I get the desire to snort opiates. There’s something special about that. But with kratom alkaloids sublingual is probably the best and most reliable method I’ve found. It’s simple it’s easy and like I said it’s like an exact 15 minutes. Come up is awesome. Extremely rewarding high. When nodding or sleeping on it I dreamed of pulling a slot machine lever and hitting triple sevens every time. For heroin addicts it’s slightly more euphoric but less heavenly. Kind of helped break the memory of heroin come ups and besides some pretty hard to overcome psycho addiction seemed to resolve after about 48 hours. Idk man. Exercise caution. But kind of a chill available opiate for the current fentanyl climate. Much safer.
I agree with everything you said. I never tried sublingual, but oral kicks in literally at exactly the15 minute mark as well for me. Without fail, every single time, as long as I have an empty stomach. I never ended up trying to snort them because my tolerance is so high I’d need to snort too many of them anyway. I’d need to get pure powder probably.
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Yeah I honestly wouldn't bother with it. After doing enough damage to my nose over the years, I tend to only ever snort things that either need to be or are worth snorting. I couldn't imagine it would be pleasant or super effective to snort, anyway.
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Harm reduction warning: my idea of being cautious was to, like snort heroin for a couple of years in my 20s. Warning 2: snorting any substance makes it shorter-acting and encourages repeat dosing. In fact, learning that I was taking 2x more each day than a new coworker with a hole in her neck is what drove me into a program].
That said, that was 10+ years ago and even then the appeal was as an energy boost and antidepressant. I've been taking 2.5-3mgs of powdered kratom (1.75% mitragynine) in the morning since ADHD meds doubled in price, but making capsules is such a pain. And even with anhedonia, a former addict has to experiment, right?
Anyway, 7OHMZ/Pressd type extract tablets have the usual benign filler ingredients (and list them on the package). I swallowed a 14mg one, then saw someone online ask "hey, anyone ever snort these?"
The replies have not been satisfying, so I did my bit... Still, I only snorted about 1.5mgs. It crushed perfectly. The effect was stimulating - zippier and happier than kratom capsules and segued nicely when the swallowed 14mg tablet kicked in. If you've ever snorted a couple-few .2mg UK bupe tablets, it was similar: a not impaired, but "elevated" sensation. For some reason, I always feel stupid/desperate crushing and snorting a pill but hey, it does skip the whole digestion step
. Not something I'd do - or could afford to do, yeesh! - every day, but not bad at all. No sting, no numbness, or even bitterness.Yet another warning:
99% of the published research is on the whole plant or mitragynine, so 7OHM could cause opiate-like respiratory depression. Naloxone even harshes the poor mice's kratom/mitragynine high, so who knows what would happen if Benjy Mouse was on 7OHM alone? please be cautious. Isolated 7OHM extract is still so obscure that there are only 2 Erowid Experience reports (the latter one suggests it was still rare in 2018).
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I saw a post in a nurses group that said they had seen patients intubated and in the ICU with withdrawals. This doesn't sound correct but there was a lot of mention of bad wd's. I take the stuff for chronic pain so I try to keep my doses low as I can using powder and saving the extracts for bad pain flares. I did get a good buzz from the 7oh once and enjoyed it but too much can also result in nausea and for me my vision gets blurred which I can't stand.
Blacked out and was apparently quite threatening towards the people around me on my first smoke shop tab, it takes a higher than average potency opioid to induce blacked out psychosis like that. Nowadays I don't use it daily but I can scoop amounts that I scoop out like a little bump of ketamine, except I found intranasal administration not noticeably different from oral administration except for a bit more stimulation and a faster come-up speed.
I've been through a lot of nasty withdrawals over my drug career, and I have to say that there is something about cold turkey pseudoindoxyl withdrawals that scares the fuck out of me. It's ridiculously bad. Absurdly bad. I don't even know how to describe it with English words. It's that bad.
Like if you turned heroin withdrawal into a crack rock then smoked that, that's pseudoindoxyl withdrawal.
But if you cook that withdrawal like any other meal, it's mediocre, not 5 star withdrawal dining.
IDK... I've been addicted to kratom alkaloids for over 10 years now, I understand those chemicals. But freebase pseudo withdrawal is something fierce that not many people know about.