7 long years....I need to b done! Please any help is greatly appreciated!

[B2621]

It's been 7 long years of oxycodone every day. I hate living my life around these pills I want the old me back. I have no energy, no more life in me. I don't enjoy anything at all anymore! I have 2 boys that deserve their mom I'm terrified of the wds, any advise?

 

[neversickanymore]

Hey B2621 and welcome to BL

If you want to please share the daily dose you are on. This will help us to give you strong advice.

You have a few options.

You can do a taper and reduce your dose slowly until your off.
You can taper your dose for awhile to reduce it and then jump.
You can just jump and you will see the light at the end of the tunnel in about one week.

The withdrawals are uncomfortable, but they certainly are doable.

Which ever route you decide to go there are non opiate medications out there that can make your detox experience much more bearable.

Here are the medications I would explore and links to threads with other peoples takes as well.

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE< >here<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
Senokot S is a stool softener and laxative. If you do not want the laxative you can go for strait stool softenerDioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal


You will do this!!! Freedom and your old self is at the other end of that tunnel.

 

[B2621]

Thank you soooo much. Iv been praying for a response ? I have been taking any where from 120-300mg dly. Yesterday 30mg in the afternoon than 30 at night. Took 30mg this morning around 6am than the same at noon, I have 1 30mg pill left. I also have about 25 2mg suboxone strips and an 8mg tab. I'm so tired of this life. I have totally changed, I'm not me anymore n I miss me soooo much. I used to love to clean, people thought I had OCD, but I just loved the feeling when the house was clean. Now I don't clean, don't go any where, nothing makes me happy. I'm lost ?
I don't even love the same anymore, if it makes sense!? I just want my life back. Thank you again soooo much! Really hope to find some support and friends here, I don't want to hit rock bottom. Although at times I feel like I'm already there.

 

[bdomihizayka]

You can utilize that suboxone to your advantage - or it can turn against you and put you in a worse situation that you're already in.

You can use the suboxone to do a relatively pain-free taper. You will still hurt a bit, but nowheres near full blown withdrawal.

I would take 2mg at least 24 hours after your last oxy dose - or when you're in withdrawal and actually hurting a good bit.

The 2mg should hold you. But if not, go up to 4mg. Give it about 1 hour for the 2mg to kick in.

Make sure you are in withdrawal and wait or else you will go into precipitated withdrawals and be sicker and hurting greater than you could ever imagine!

Then I would dose

4 day 1
4 day 2
2 day 3
1 day 4
.5 day 5
.25 day 6
jump

or if it was 2mg that held you

2
2
1
.5
.25
.125
jump

Don't stay on the suboxone too long or mess the taper up though or else you're in for a worse withdrawal than the oxycodone that will last forever. The halflife is enormous and it is to be respected.

 

[neversickanymore]

^ bdomihizayka what do you feel a taper like this achieves in the short and long run?

 

[pill_billy]

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

clonidine was the only thing they gave me when i went to the ER and it took away a solid 90% of the WD symptoms... also they have it in patch form which is what i was given...

Iv been praying for a response  I have been taking any where from 120-300mg dly.

I don't even love the same anymore, if it makes sense!? I just want my life back. Thank you again soooo much! Really hope to find some support and friends here, I don't want to hit rock bottom. Although at times I feel like I'm already there.

you dont need to pray for a response on here... there are plenty of ppl who have been through it and would like to help...
I was using about the same mg per day for about two years and the sickness that came with it was unreal... i moved onto H after i realized that i could not afford it and the WDs were still pretty damn bad but IMO no where near as bad as they were from the pills...
and once you get a little clean time youll start to enjoy things again and feel love...

And trust me if you still have your kids, a house, a car and no criminal charges you havnt hit rock bottom and hopefully it wont take that for you to make a change in your life cause thats what it took for me... anyways best of luck to you and welcome to BL... you can PM me if you need to talk, ive been there and no the utter hell it is... and honestly, i feel that to certain degree this site helped me through alot of it....

 

[B2621]

Thank you, yes I actually thank the good lord that I never tried H or picked it up on those dry days. I just kinda always managed to get some pills, very fortunate that I had the funds for it....you know the money that should be spent on my kids n family stuff and I'm pretty much done and desperately want out but of course like many others am terrified!! The sub taper sounds good because I wouldn't want to just trade it in for another dep. and I've heard scary things about it. Ty for all the responses, I'm new so still learning my way around.

 

[pill_billy]

yea, H is some much more dangerous then pills... not because its that much worse or anything but because with a pill you know what it is (unless you get fake pills which thankfully didnt happen to much to me and my ppl were really stand up guys and would refund if that happened) and H can be cut with anything and if your shooting theres are diseases and shit that come with that as well...

but walking into the clinic that first time was one of the scariest things ive ever done, but in the end, for me atleast, it was a huge weight off my shoulders... just being able to talk about it with someone and not having to lie and hide everything is just soo freeing... and as for the subs i know a few ppl who have gone down that road, for some it worked and for some it was just another addiction... even the strips are addicting... also i know every area is different where i live there are 5 suboxone clinics within a 1-2 hour drive and the docs can only have 60 paitents at a time so there is a six month waiting list just to even see the doctor, and if you want subutex you have to drive to MD or PA...

for legal reasons i had to go into an IOP program and that shit helped out alot too cause in the end if your just tryin to fix the addiction and not the problems behind it then you chances for success are limited.... but there are alot of different treatment options and some are better then others for certain ppl, also a detox facility might be a good option for you too... while i was there a few of the other people had kids and would always say how hard it was to be away from them but that they knew it was best for their family.... im not trying to talk you into it one way or another but there are alot of different options avaliable that i wasnt aware of before i started trying to get help and you should look into it and mabe go see a doctor and get their opion also

 

[B2621]

So I took my last blue yesterday around 2:30, it's now been almost 22 hours. No RLS which is my worst symptom, but I have no energy at all and I'm sooo achey needless to say I text "my guy" which made me feel like a loser so when he replied....I didn't! I gotta push through this!

 

[neversickanymore]

Your doing great!!

Are you planning on using the subs in your detox.

I would really consider going to a physician and telling them what you are trying to accomplish and requesting they explore the use of some short courses of gabapentin aka neurontin (this should help your aches and pains and any RLS that could come a great deal) and the clonidine for the goose bumps, restlessness, etc.

If you decide to use the suboxone for your detox you will be in acutes much longer. Suboxone has a half life between 24 to 42 hours.. in order to detox we must eliminate all the opiates from our system and then we have like 4 days until we see the light at the end of the tunnel.. a good rule of thumb is that takes 6 half lives.. 6 x 24 = 144 hours 144\24= 6 days + 4 days = 10 days. 6 x 42 = 242 hours 242\24 = 10 days 10+4 = 14 days.

So if you use the suboxone to detox you may/may not experience milder withdrawal, but it will take between 10 to 14 days from your very last dose until you start to feel better instead of worse.

I think suboxone detox works well for some people who have small habits that they engaged in for a short time. I have not seen the best results for large habits done over long periods like the one your beating.

If you choose not to use the subs then your already 1/7 or more through the acutes as detoxing oxy takes about a week due to its much shorter half life.

I would delete your dealers phone number.. why have the temptation.

Your doing great.. keep going.. it gets better pretty quick. In a week or two depending on what route you choose you will start to feel better. In a couple of months you will feel great.

Keep your eye on the prize.. freedom and finding the real you again.

 

[B2621]

Thank you so much! I haven't taken a sub yet, really rather not but it's nice to know it's there incase I just can't take it. But I agree with what your saying, I know it will b quicker to kick the oxy than the subs. So I'm gonna try to push thru. Unfortunately I'm afraid to get my md involved, I'm a licensed nurse and I don't know if this would jeopardize my career my biggest problem is finding the energy to care for my 3yo, he's wild ? just called my awesome mom n she's gonna take him for a few hours tho. Just gotta get him there thru this blizzard.

 

[MsPilly]

Yeah, i was gon ask you if you can arrange for any childcare for your boys. Like, days at a time so you can make it thru the physical wds without them seeing their mom all sick. I'm a mom to a 2 and a half yr old boy so i know the struggle. It's hard those first few days with your kid up under you. Unfortunately their needs always come first no matter what mommy feels like.

Anyways, Immodium in large doses has always helped me make it thru. Bananas. The potassium in bananas helps a little with the RLS. Yogurt. Idk about you but i have zero energy to chew food when i'm in wds. There's good stuff in yogurts too, pretty easy to swallow down. Try n keep fluids in you or you will feel even worse. It's really hard to do the most simple shit like eat a meal with a drink in wds but do it if you can. Don't even worry about eating healthy. Eat bags n bags of potato chips if it's the only thing you can eat. Fuck it. Lots of warm baths if you have access to that. I always feel really gross in wds so getting clean helps me mentally and the hot water helps my body a lot.

I think the biggest thing is to get your shit in order before you start. Bills paid, childcare arranged, make sure you have enough sick days at work so you don't get fired if you can't get outta bed, grocery shop... etc. I think you get my point. It's damn near impossible to do any of that shit when your in deep wds.

Good luck

 

[B2621]

Hi I'm 42 hours with no opiates, yesterday was awful ? but last night my mom gave me 10 gabapentin 300mg, I took 2 n went to bed n slept 9 hours!!!! I didn't even sleep that well when I was on the oxy. And today I feel pretty good. I know it may get worse but I'm gonna try n tell myself that I feel better today n will feel even better tomorrow. Hey if I can fool my brain into believing that so b it lol. It def feels awesome to have money in my wallet that's usually impossible. My lil one is with my mom today so I'm gonna attempt to get up n clean, shower....activities of daily living that just have been none existent in my life :/ anyhow I'll check in soon. Thanks again sooo much for the support fellow BLs. Think I would have caved yesterday if it weren't for this site.

 

[B2621]

Ugh my friends coming over, he is not someone I want around right now. His pockets jingle n I know exactly what it is ?

 

[neversickanymore]

I would not put yourself in that situation.. or at least call them and let them know what your doing and ask them not to bring any around at this time.

Gabapentin really is a life saver for opiate withdraws isn't it:D


Your doing amazing.. close to 1/3 of the way through.

 

[Trixy983]

I've been wanting to quit my pharmy habit for awhile now n I always get to day 3 n I cave bc of the body aches n the hot cold temp changes... I think they r the worst n I have access to some neurontin... Was wondering if u could give me some more info on it n how it could help me get through those first few days n make it not so bad...I usually jus try to grin n bear it but I have two jobs so I can't just take off n gotta find a way I can quit stuff while still trying to maintain a somewhat normal life....any info would b appreciated

 

[P.o.T.u.S]

^ i can tell u from my experience that gabapentin/neurontin or lyrica is the overall best thing for opiate withdrawal. it makes u feel very good and have MOTIVATION to get up and do other hobbie. its not an opiate and u have to break that chain asap..be careful to not trade addictions blah blah harm reduction.

OP u can do this i believe in u and do it for yourself and your kids..i bet u are a great mom but just think how much better u will be when that ball and chain isnt weighing u down. U got this!!!

 

[Trixy983]

I jus wanted to thank u all for the info on the gabapentin bc I got my hands on a btl of 600 mg tabs n have been clean now for 5 days. I have been through withdrawl many times on n off for around 10 years now, with this being the longest 2 year stretch of 70-80 mg of oxy a day. I was super nervous bc I have quit many times n know the hell that is withdrawl n have been trying to quit again for probably 4 months now on n off n always reach day 3 n feel like total hell!!!! I started with 300 mg GABA every 3-4 hours but would still feel kina sick n very lethargic n ready to snap on anyone that talked to me so I worked my way up to 1200 mgs 3x a day n gotta say that I feel great n have no symptoms n actually woke up this morn with some energy!!! I'm just wondering if anyone has been in the same situation n how long I should take it for n start to ween my self down off of it too. I basically work 80 hours a week (mainly to supply my very expensive habit) so this was seriously the best option for me bc I couldn't jus stop my life n b in bed for days on end....jus thought id share my experience n it surprisingly makes it easier to tell someone, even if it's ppl I don't know what I'm going through!!!

 

[d-nihl]

You can utilize that suboxone to your advantage - or it can turn against you and put you in a worse situation that you're already in.

You can use the suboxone to do a relatively pain-free taper. You will still hurt a bit, but nowheres near full blown withdrawal.

I would take 2mg at least 24 hours after your last oxy dose - or when you're in withdrawal and actually hurting a good bit.

The 2mg should hold you. But if not, go up to 4mg. Give it about 1 hour for the 2mg to kick in.

Make sure you are in withdrawal and wait or else you will go into precipitated withdrawals and be sicker and hurting greater than you could ever imagine!

Then I would dose

4 day 1
4 day 2
2 day 3
1 day 4
.5 day 5
.25 day 6
jump

or if it was 2mg that held you

2
2
1
.5
.25
.125
jump

Don't stay on the suboxone too long or mess the taper up though or else you're in for a worse withdrawal than the oxycodone that will last forever. The halflife is enormous and it is to be respected.

Yes definitely do this, but then stop taking the subs immediately!! u might still feel a little crumby towards the end, but start doing some physical exercise and it will be over sooner...7 years is a long time, your body is probably very adapted to the oxy, thus you will not feel like your old self for quite a while, but that does not mean you cannot make the best of it!
just think of the end goal, god bless.

 

[B2621]

My brother died 5 days ago ? and I went out n used.....I feel like the biggest failure!!! Of all things to do ? He od'd and I went out n used!! How could I!!??!? We both started using at the same time yet he's gone. I can't keep going like this!!!