NoArtFlav
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do you think the isolated alkaloids are well enough for chronic pain.??? hate going to the docs!
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RCs 7 Hydroxy Mitragynine or 7 aco mitragynine for chronic pain?
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sekio
Bluelight Crew
If you had a really accurate scale, an iron will, and were isolating it yourself, it's possible. Do keep in mind that the kratom alkaloids have other activity than opioid binding... Withdrawal from pure mitragynine would probably be comparable to kicking methadone.
perKeceT
Bluelighter
from what i understand isolated kratom alkaloids are not worth purchasing pure. price is insane and its not the same as plain leaf. i would just get a bunch of crushed leaves and cap them up in 00s or something.
Material541
Bluelighter
I have tried 7-Hydroxy-Mitragynine from a tincture. It contained 50mg, where the normal dose is said to be around 5-10mg. I went through the whole tincture in one night because I felt nothing. That's just my experience...
RobotRipping
Bluelighter
There are synthetic versions of these alkaloids available. Not isolated from kratom AFAIK. They are not expensive either (way cheaper than equivalent amounts in tincture at least). I think there may be a HUGE difference between the two, who knows what kratom vendors are selling in these tinctures. The synthetics may be a different story. Anyone have experience with both?
ThePharmicist
Bluelighter
^^^I would like to know about that as well. I can't seem to find experience on the synth'ed versions and the tinctures. At least whoever has written the experience report had not specified, and probably didn't know anyhow.
OP: It might be better going to the doc if you can. It would probably be cheaper in the long run, if you have some kind of insurance. The substances you're looking at have a high price point, incredible variability in quality and possibly supply problems (shipping).
OP: It might be better going to the doc if you can. It would probably be cheaper in the long run, if you have some kind of insurance. The substances you're looking at have a high price point, incredible variability in quality and possibly supply problems (shipping).
benzoheadplus44
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I just ordered a bunch of Kratom, couple ounces and a decent amount of the alkaloid extracts... should come tomorrow as I ordered next day shipping for 30 extra bucks....
It worked well for pain... I find the "full spectrum" extract and such similar were the most effective... this is coming from a high tolerance opiate user/H user... I did not get off too much to the powdered leaf... this time tend to use that more as a maintenace if I have to... but the extracts I tend on using in high doses... they worked well in the past... beware too much and you find yourself in a puke-fest. Now if I DO NOT make it into tea and just parachute the shit will it take a long time to kick in? Any experience with that anyone?
It worked well for pain... I find the "full spectrum" extract and such similar were the most effective... this is coming from a high tolerance opiate user/H user... I did not get off too much to the powdered leaf... this time tend to use that more as a maintenace if I have to... but the extracts I tend on using in high doses... they worked well in the past... beware too much and you find yourself in a puke-fest. Now if I DO NOT make it into tea and just parachute the shit will it take a long time to kick in? Any experience with that anyone?
NoArtFlav
Bluelighter
thanks everyone. i have been to docs. after oxy. codeine. hydrocodone. tramadol. morphine.
I became way to dependent and i live in pain daily from a severe car wreck so insurance is not a prob, its just that i know kratom helps and it is price that keeps me getting scripts thanks to insurance.. Im trying to go more natural and stay away from all the pills. im on enough as it is. so i do pay for the kratom. with the multiple health problems kratom has helped with many in one.
I order about 3 ozs of whole leaf and 2 ozs of powdered a week. with extracts every few weeks to add more stimulation,sedation, or if leaf supply is low. Ive come to a good way of making tea and is very potent. but these alkaloids intrigue me!
and this coming from a very experience opiate user..for me kratom (the right strain and done right) is more pain relieving then vicodin minus the fogginess.
what is this reports of all these alkaloids being stronger than morphine and such???would that not be a good pain reliever?? or are the reports from non pain patients. I just felt way too controlled with piss testing and such and pain management. My PCP will prolly get me something to hold me over.
I became way to dependent and i live in pain daily from a severe car wreck so insurance is not a prob, its just that i know kratom helps and it is price that keeps me getting scripts thanks to insurance.. Im trying to go more natural and stay away from all the pills. im on enough as it is. so i do pay for the kratom. with the multiple health problems kratom has helped with many in one.
I order about 3 ozs of whole leaf and 2 ozs of powdered a week. with extracts every few weeks to add more stimulation,sedation, or if leaf supply is low. Ive come to a good way of making tea and is very potent. but these alkaloids intrigue me!
and this coming from a very experience opiate user..for me kratom (the right strain and done right) is more pain relieving then vicodin minus the fogginess.
what is this reports of all these alkaloids being stronger than morphine and such???would that not be a good pain reliever?? or are the reports from non pain patients. I just felt way too controlled with piss testing and such and pain management. My PCP will prolly get me something to hold me over.