7 Ethyl-(S,S) 2,4 dimethyl azetadine

[(zonk)]

I don't know why,why does everyone think this guy is a scammer, he is a hero! He is going to rally all the drug users together and we will unite to win the war on drugs by overthrowing popular opinion and all international drug policies. He is a pioneer at the forefront of a great cause and when we succeed [because of him], the world will know his name and we shall rejoice in all of the drug fueled gloriousness that wouldn't have been possible without the vision, determination and conviction of this great great wonderfull man. God bless you sir, if only more people could realize that somethings are more important than freedom from prosecution, like the right to sell addictive drugs with weird quirky names to all who seek them. ...god bless you.

 

[33Hz]

Two words - LSD analogue...

Ha, exactly.

I've dealt with my fair share of assholes in the pursuit of good ol' MDMA. As much as it irks me acquiring it off them, once the deal is done, and you find a way to get your ass out of there before they bore you to death with yet another tale of how great and generally gangsta they are, you can breathe a sigh of relief knowing that you are only hours away from sharing out the goodies with your closest friends, before embarking on a fun filled evening. Suddenly it all seems worth it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if this turns out to be legit, and I'm very skeptical of that so far, then I couldn't give a shit what cunt is selling it to me.

 

[love_sex_desire]

Rather than vendor/purity/integrity/etc... speculations I am interested in who has tried this compound.

Anyone tried 7 Ethyl-(S,S) 2,4 dimethyl azetadine?

Any information on effects, duration?

Comparisons to LSD?

 

[THCDunc]

I don't know why,why does everyone think this guy is a scammer, he is a hero! He is going to rally all the drug users together and we will unite to win the war on drugs by overthrowing popular opinion and all international drug policies. He is a pioneer at the forefront of a great cause and when we succeed [because of him], the world will know his name and we shall rejoice in all of the drug fueled gloriousness that wouldn't have been possible without the vision, determination and conviction of this great great wonderfull man. God bless you sir, if only more people could realize that somethings are more important than freedom from prosecution, like the right to sell addictive drugs with weird quirky names to all who seek them. ...god bless you.

I really do hope this post was pure sarcasm. It's pretty obvious that the guy in charge of this operation is in it purely for the money. Others may believe his misguided views that he's doing the drug community a favour and that he's going to lead us all to redemption but I don't. Even if it isn't a scam he obviously doesn't care that much about drug users otherwise he wouldn't be selling potentially harmful RC's to the mass public.

As for the 7 Ethyl-(S,S) 2,4 dimethyl azetadine analogue I have found very little on it except a few very vague comments such as 'expect the unexptected' which doesn't really help much. Anyone managed to find anything in the scientific literature about this?

 

[(zonk)]

yes it was very sarcastic lol

 

[alexi]

I really do hope this post was pure sarcasm. It's pretty obvious that the guy in charge of this operation is in it purely for the money. Others may believe his misguided views that he's doing the drug community a favour and that he's going to lead us all to redemption but I don't. Even if it isn't a scam he obviously doesn't care that much about drug users otherwise he wouldn't be selling potentially harmful RC's to the mass public.

As for the 7 Ethyl-(S,S) 2,4 dimethyl azetadine analogue I have found very little on it except a few very vague comments such as 'expect the unexptected' which doesn't really help much. Anyone managed to find anything in the scientific literature about this?

Don't really know what to make of this vendor, but I think it's fair to say that he's not in it just for the money. He's moved away from the mainland in order to set up this operation, so he must have a passion for it, and an undertaking like this is actually pretty ballsy - selling the kinds of compounds he's selling, although legal, will undoubtedly cause him a whole world of shit.

I for one think he is more than entitled to make a living out of it - people are allowed to make money ya know! And if he wanted to scam people, there are much easier ways to do it...

Not having a go at anyone incidentally, just my $0.02...

Anyways, here is the paper where the measures of potency etc presumably came from:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mnom2yonxum/Azetidine.pdf

Enjoy!

p.s. Yeah, the name of the compound is wrong on the site - I guess he's probably just chopped off part while transposing things - pretty sure it had the full name a while back, when the structures were still there.

 

[MurphyClox]

Yes, of course, a good samaritan selling LSD-analogues to the begging masses. Bullshit!

 

[Phener]

^This is dangerously going in to source discussion but your saying you've actually received stuff from him/her??

I highly doubt it, sounds to me like you 0.02$ is wishful thinking

 

[alexi]

Yes, of course, a good samaritan selling LSD-analogues to the begging masses. Bullshit!

I never said he was a good samaritan - in fact I clearly pointed out that of course he is out to make money. That is allowed remember? Even encouraged sometimes! Like it or not, money is the main driving force in modern society...

What I did say was that it can't be his sole motivation, or he would have done something that takes less effort... Doing what he's doing is likely to cause him rather a lot of grief.

^This is dangerously going in to source discussion but your saying you've actually received stuff from him/her??

I highly doubt it, sounds to me like you 0.02$ is wishful thinking

Nah, I haven't and won't - I can't be bothered with drugs besides the coffee, beer and cigs

I kinda think the guy is legit though (and no, I am definitely not a shill!). I'm basing this on nothing but a gut feeling having followed the situation for a couple of weeks. I have read some stuff on here and elsewhere that makes me think that he seems to know his chemistry and his products.

I guess it can't hurt to give it a whirl if the stuff floats your boat, it's not gonna break the bank to sample it and, if it were something toxic, the amount you could squeeze onto a blotter wouldn't do you any damage...

 

[hamhurricane]

I am definitely not a shill!). I'm basing this on nothing but a gut feeling having followed the situation for a couple of weeks. I have read some stuff on here and elsewhere that makes me think that he seems to know his chemistry and his products.

I guess it can't hurt to give it a whirl if the stuff floats your boat, it's not gonna break the bank to sample it and, if it were something toxic, the amount you could squeeze onto a blotter wouldn't do you any damage...

I suppose you think he knows his chemistry based on the shamelessly false and butchered IUPAC nomenclature on his products? or that fact that he readily admits he knows nothing about chemistry? how can he know his products when he also admits he does not know what his products are! is it 5-Me-aET or 4-Me-aET - who knows! And even if he did know which one of these he had - there would still be no information about them because they have never beens studied! For your own sake i hope your a shill.

 

[alexi]

I suppose you think he knows his chemistry based on the shamelessly false and butchered IUPAC nomenclature on his products? or that fact that he readily admits he knows nothing about chemistry?

Ha, obviously I missed that one...! :$

As far as the nomenclature goes, it seems to be OK to me, with the exception of the Pi Panes which looks like a transpositional error

how can he know his products when he also admits he does not know what his products are! is it 5-Me-aET or 4-Me-aET - who knows!

I must have missed this too - it seems to be clear on the site but I guess this is something he said on the forums...?

And even if he did know which one of these he had - there would still be no information about them because they have never beens studied!

Really? I assumed that these were compounds pulled from the literature... Dunno though - have you done a proper search or is that an assumption from exhaustive googling?

 

[vecktor]

I bet they are hoping for casey to get out and whip up a batch.

 

[davestate]

This is exceptionally similar to (another!) creation of David Nichols: Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide AKA (8β)-8- {[(2S,4S)- 2,4-dimethylazetidin- 1-yl] carbonyl}- 6-methyl- 9,10- didehydroergoline

Notice the similarities? Here is the structure of this pi-panes, IUPAC name (8β)-8- {[(2S,4S)- 2,4-dimethylazetidin- 1-yl] carbonyl}- 6-ethyl- 9,10- didehydroergoline

Below is a link to the only study I could find on David Nichols creation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12213075
This poses a question: Why change the 6-methyl (not 7!) group to an ethyl? What possible advantage could that yield? Legality? Choice of starting material? Some potential increase in potency? (despite Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide only being "slightly" more potent) Perhaps it really is the former, and the synthesis really does go through controlled precursors

And even if he did know which one of these he had - there would still be no information about them because they have never beens studied!

That's not totally true now is it? It's easy when you know the correct IUPAC name!

 

[alexi]

What possible advantage could that yield? Legality? Choice of starting material? Some potential increase in potency?

Almost certainly the legal aspect- having the 6-Et acid would mean that one has no need to go via illegal intermediates to get to a legal product...

 

[nuke]

There were reports of this years back being active around the 30-50ug range, well, the N-methylated compound.

(S,S)-2,4-Dimethylazetidine is not really cheap stuff... The real point of making the compound was to investigate the binding pocket of the 5HT2A receptor with conformationally restricted ligands.

Perhaps it really is the former, and the synthesis really does go through controlled precursors

Most likely it would is my guess, there are routes to lysergic acid that I won't discuss that wouldn't and are newer but there are quite a few steps and it's probably not hugely scalable and the chemists making this crap probably not skilled enough to come forth with it.

 

[mad_scientist]

I'm seriously tempted to get some of these "Pi panes" just so I can send them off to the government lab for GCMS/NMR to see what's actually in them....genuine 6-Et-LA-SS-Az seems most unlikely given the obscure precursors and difficult synthesis!!

Has anyone actually confirmed these are even active? If they are selling a hallucinogen strong enough to put on tabs then there aren't that many options for what could be used, assuming these are not something thats already illegal.

Bromodragonfly or DOBfly seem unlikely as everyone would know those right away from the horrendously long duration, but lysergic acid 2-butyl amide is possible as there seem to be suppliers for that...though that begs the question what advantage could be gained by claiming it to be 6-Et-LA-SS-Az if they are actually using another lysergamide derivative of equal obscurity...

edit: Ok pretty sure this is a scam actually, as there are a bunch of people in PD bitching about having paid money to this guy and not receiving any product!

 

[fryingsquirrel]

I'm clearly at a disavantage, because I don't understand the chemistry (nothing new there) and have no idea who the vendor is or what his reputation is like. But the route wouldn't need to be hugely scaleable if a gram is 100,000 doses. Am I saying this is legit? NO, scam seems more likely based simply on the old saying "If something sounds to good to be true it probably is". But the number and variety of new RC's coming on the market these days, for better or worse, is staggering. I'm not rushing out to order without hearing trip reports from reliable people, but neither am I assuming it nonsense without evidence. I assume most of you are familar the the Chinese saying "may you live in interesting times" A blessing or a curse, depending on how you look at it. Clearly these are intersting times

 

[dread]

This poses a question: Why change the 6-methyl (not 7!) group to an ethyl?

Well, 6-ethyl-nor-LSD is about 2x more potent than LSD according to Shulgin. So the ethyl substitution does make sense in a SAR point of view.

 

[vecktor]

Well, 6-ethyl-nor-LSD is about 2x more potent than LSD according to Shulgin. So the ethyl substitution does make sense in a SAR point of view.

only if like these people you think the SAR of these compounds is additive, it isn't

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

Not to take things too far, but just how expensive is the requisite dimethylazetidine as an enantiomerically pure product?

Unless we are talking about the product of nuclear fusion between pure unobtanium metal and distilled essence of rocking horse shit, then given a mere few grams nescessary for an awfully large quantity of blotters.

Of course, quality isn't quantity, for all we know, the 2,4-dimethylazetidide of lysergic acid/Et-LAD could be rough and ugly stuff, or it could be the best of the best, we don't yet know if it is worth it.

This is the Et-LAD analog, has the plain lysergic acid amide been assayed or reported yet?