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7 Ethyl-(S,S) 2,4 dimethyl azetadine

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just seen this being advertised as sold on blotters and is aparently 3.2 times stronger than lsd and is legal

can anyone tell me what this is before i order some
 
coombesy said:
just seen this being advertised as sold on blotters and is aparently 3.2 times stronger than lsd and is legal

can anyone tell me what this is before i order some
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I think the implied structure is actually:
(8β)-8- {[(2S,4S)- 2,4-dimethylazetidin- 1-yl] carbonyl}- 6-ethyl- 9,10- didehydroergoline

i.e. (S,S)dimethylazetidine analogue of Et-LAD. Based on related compounds it is probably a potent compound but
1)who knows? no public bio-assays
2)who knows what product is actually being sold
3)probably pretty hard to make (and getting precursors) for typical chinese custom synth companies
 
either way the price for them is quite cheap, little bit cheaper than the acid i get atm so its not a great loss if this is a scam vendor, i am quite experienced with phsycadelics so i should be able to handle a strong trip and dont even mind the darker trips because you still come out of it with something

if i decide to take a gamble and order ill let peeps know, does sound quite exiting though
 
dread said:
It's a scam.
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Why so confident? It actually shouldn't be too much harder to synthesize than eth-LAD (which has shown up on the RC market before), you'd just need dimethylazetidine.

Though if you know the supplier is a scammer, that's a different story.

EDIT: Oh, herp derp. I found the guys who claim to be selling this, and yeah, they look more than a little sketchy.
 
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I found the site. If they claim it's a substitute for a banned substance then it's illegal. Id say it's a fraud because ethylphenidate is illegal and it just doesnt look right.
 
fatstep said:
I found the site. If they claim it's a substitute for a banned substance then it's illegal. Id say it's a fraud because ethylphenidate is illegal and it just doesnt look right.
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Easy way to check: Any site that forms plurals with a 'z' is probably fake.

If you're a real supplier, you will probably try your best to look like you're not selling products for human consumption. That is to say, professional, not loud, and no psychedelic imagery or drug advocacy. Your main concern is, presumably, getting thrown in jail for a long time. Of course, some of these actually are legit places, and might just report you to the cops if you try to buy from them -- e.g. Sigma-Aldrich (which is not a source, unless you do a really good David Nichols impression over the phone, so I'm assuming it doesn't fall afoul of sourcing rules).

If you're a faker, you'll probably try to look like you are selling for human consumption, because that makes it easy to blackmail anyone who complains. Plus, your legal worries are tiny in comparison to people who are actually selling things. Sites that throw out any notion of subtlety and go all "RESEARCH CHEMICALS HERP DERP" should be a big red flag.

Just my opinion, of course. The situation might be a little different in Europe, but I can't see why anyone would risk acting like the latter if they're actually the former.
 
Yeah that site looks supersketchy to me as well. I'd say it's a scam, or a moron who's gonna get arrested as soon as he opens for buisness.
 
From what I've heard Et-LAD is rather unstable even in tartarate form kept at 0°C.

Surely LA-s,s,dimethylazetamide is stronger than LSD but I would be doubtful if someone states that they have it for sale since it is rather tricky to confirm the reliability of the statement.

I've seen some rather interesting LSD analogues on Pubchem, some concerning the amide like (s,s)2,3-dimethylaziridine, (s,s)2,5-dimethylpyridine, divinylamide and 2,4-dimethyleneazetidine analogues, some others concerning the ending 2nd nitrogen alkylation and some others analogues with a hydroxy/methoxy group athe the 5th position on the benzene moiety (I would be also intrigued about an analogue with a oxygen at the 4th position substituting the carbon).

LSD seems to follow many of the tryptamine behaviours (even if Et-LAd seems to be more powerful than LSD).
My bigger curiosities are pointed at the 5 MeO and the 4 O per C analogues. Someone needs to fuckin' synthesize them and make an essay about it, to bad Shulgin is starting to have his age apart from having his hands tried by the DEA.
 
boohigh said:
O'RLY?
Maybe it is you?
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Haha, nah.

He's the chemist in that famous hilarious interview about NRG-1 for a newspaper. That's his site. Apparently he donated Naphyrone to the press to squabble over so he could release these new 5 he has going.

There's a thread about it on here.
 
Yeah there was a thread but it was removed as it was basically just advertising his website.
 
The vendor resp. the producer isn't even able to NAME the compound correctly! But yeeees, everyone is quite eager to taste some of this stuff. Are you all nuts? The synthesis resp. purification of the reaction mixcture is anything but trivial, the precursors are really hard to get and RC vendors are quite infamous for providing impure stuff. Add the probable uncertainty of correctly measured doses (we speak about one- to two-digit µg amounts!).

I really can't understand this eagerness to play the guinea pig for such assholes... :\

- Murphy
 
That's not to mention the unstability of that ring as I understand it... it may break open and do some alkylating.
That said i'd probably eat A dose *guilty* (not more)
 
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