6th Issue Heroin Discussion Thread... v. Doprah

[HighonLife]

God damn makes me wanna rob a pharmacy.especially since I'm wd

hey ur from feyetville right??

just found out my buddy who has been up there at school for 4 n 1/2 years was takin away on like dec 22 for distribution of Oxys

apparently he sold to some Undercovers, in like march or may of last year n they been watchin em since

just wonderin if u knew what house i might be talkin bout, i know its a good sized college-town but at the same time i know there was always 300+ Oxys n roxis n that house at all times, my buddies roomates were gettin packages from a dude out n cali n one day last year like february one package of 150 came thru but the 2nd package never made it, my guess is they found both packages, sent one thru, did the undercover buy, n then built the case

just brought it up cuz i know ur from there and i just found out bout this like 2 days ago fromm a mutual friend

(its funny cuz my friend who got arrested was in town on thanksgiving lookin for Oxys n i told him i could get him some dope, he was reluctant but did it anyways, i gave him almost a g for free, and he was supp to bring me like 20 roxis when he came back for xmas, i never got a call n figured he just forgot bout me, at least i know now that he mighta still intended on keepin his word)

 

[hydrochron]

Woke up this morning and had a hot flash, went to drink some milk. Threw up so much fucking liquid, filled 2 sinks.

Never had that happen to me before. Maybe it's becuase I was high the whole day and comming down? It was only my second day of my run, and I wasn't high.

Very weird...

 

[nowdubnvr6]

sorry bout the withdraws bud. hope u get fixed up soon weather u kick completly or just get sum dope in ya. rootin for ya either way lol

Thanks buddy unfortunately this ridiculous storm dropped a foot of snow in arkansas where im at and of course no one knows how to drive or answer their phones during this shit. Its like the end of the world when it snows in the south all the grocery stores get emptied out and people put chains on for like 2 inches of snow. Its ridiculous lol. But i got sorted out yesterday my main man hit up the dr first thing in the morning so its all gravy. Then i go to my dr in 2 weeks so ill be straight. I just hate that there is no dope around here just ridiculous priced pills.

And HighOnLife i have no idea who that would be but im sure it happened as Oxy's are huge here and next to weed is the most used drug in this area for college kids. But im sure getting that many pills sent through the mail and being in this small of a college town everyone knows everyone so im sure he did get setup. Lots of snitch bitches in this area.

And Davis for reals you need to come visit.

 

[chinky]

Not that I had much to begin with, but I've completely lost all confidence in you as being someone with taste.

Taco Bell has the most bland, and overprocessed food in the US. I'd rather eat the pre-made sandwiches at a gas station.

My take is that you haven't had good authentic mexican food.

I said it was overrated not thatI I didn't completly like it..and I admit taco bell was a bad choice cause I really don't eat that either I should have said chipolte ..but I'm from chicago I've tried mexican joints from summit to pilsen and have even been to the famous frontera grill which a lot of people consider the best mexican resturant in the country owned by the famous rick bayless...and the food just doesn't do it for me

Its something about the spices and flavor that I don't really like especially cilantro..not to mention rice and beans with everything..rice don't really bother me but beans no matter if its charro beans or refried I just can't get into it

My favorite chicken of all time is the grilled adobo chicken served at this place called pollo express in pilsen but that's really it..I don't like chorizo corn tortillas or guacamole or tamales...don't think I haven't givin it a try cause well that's really the only thing open at night after the bar and even then when everything is supposed tastes good
And this mexican lady at my moms. Works always sells homemade tamales and they ehh

Chinese food I prefer or italian but like I said mexican food is just overrated ill give you horchatas though they are fire

 

[Counterintuitive]

A friend of mine i met at a halfway house was a stickup artist who used to rob the pharmacies for drugs. Long time junkie. Interesting concept because they have the best chemically pure narcotics. I mean its not worth it the guy has done close to 20 years in and out of prison but man did he have some stories. He taught me how to do it and what to do but im not risking it lol. Some of the drugs he has got are crazy. 500 and 1000 ct bottles of OxyContin 80s 40s even the 160s at one point. Massive amounts of all types of heavy duty opiates, benzos, barbs, uppers. I bring it up because he told me about those pharm grade coke jars. Its used as a topical anasthetic by eye surgeons and dentists. Its a brown jar with approx 28 grams = 1 oz of 99% cocaine hcl. Its made by Merck. Even till this day. Hes snatched a bunch of them he said lol. They call him hefty because he used to fill up a hefty trash bag at just one robbery. Insane. The types of shit he has got blows my mind. Havent even heard of a lot of the shit besides the basic good narcotics but theres other shit out there too. Especially when he was doing it in the 80s. But liquid fent and morphine. 1000 ct dilaudids. Oxymorphone. Pharm methamphetamine. Jugs of liquid methadone. Crazy benzos. Liquid valium. Etc etc

I'd like to first state that I'm a professional commercial locksmith (safes included), and have no desire to rob anyone. I use to get high on H, no longer do, but I enjoy reading this thread to... well dream to be quite frank.

Point is - this post intrigued me because everything is kept in a C2 cabinet which I'm sure as you all know is a safe. Before I was a locksmith I was a pharmacy technician out of H.S, and only the manager knew the combination. So, I am curious if this fella was actually skilled with things other than a gun, or simply pointed the gun at the managers head to get into the cabinet? I ask because, our manager would not even be there during most of the night (say 7pm to close, scripts were filled and emergency call in's could be satisfied with supply on shelf, which was no where near 1000 ct bottles of Sched 2 narcotics), but for all I know this was a 24-hour pharmacy, but still that draws the question of where was security at a 24-hour pharmacy? All of these questions are rhetorical (not important, and I don't care just thinking aloud), withhold the first question. I've opened several C2's over the last year, and most of the time when we get called out to a reported robbery, it is when the store was closed and someone tried to bash the safe in or pry it open, and usually to no avail.

So, simply put - If he said he opened it himself, I'm inclined (without even knowing him or you) that he was simply a dumb junkie lying to you and everyone who would listen. Then again, you said he was a stick-up artist, so my guess would be "gun to managers head" - unfortunately. MODS, I would never bring this up even if such a discussion thread existed, but it was already brought up and not removed. Curious

 

[alteknj]

I'd like to first state that I'm a professional commercial locksmith (safes included), and have no desire to rob anyone. I use to get high on H, no longer do, but I enjoy reading this thread to... well dream to be quite frank.

Point is - this post intrigued me because everything is kept in a C2 cabinet which I'm sure as you all know is a safe. Before I was a locksmith I was a pharmacy technician out of H.S, and only the manager knew the combination. So, I am curious if this fella was actually skilled with things other than a gun, or simply pointed the gun at the managers head to get into the cabinet? I ask because, our manager would not even be there during most of the night (say 7pm to close, scripts were filled and emergency call in's could be satisfied with supply on shelf, which was no where near 1000 ct bottles of Sched 2 narcotics), but for all I know this was a 24-hour pharmacy, but still that draws the question of where was security at a 24-hour pharmacy? All of these questions are rhetorical (not important, and I don't care just thinking aloud), withhold the first question. I've opened several C2's over the last year, and most of the time when we get called out to a reported robbery, it is when the store was closed and someone tried to bash the safe in or pry it open, and usually to no avail.

So, simply put - If he said he opened it himself, I'm inclined (without even knowing him or you) that he was simply a dumb junkie lying to you and everyone who would listen. Then again, you said he was a stick-up artist, so my guess would be "gun to managers head" - unfortunately. MODS, I would never bring this up even if such a discussion thread existed, but it was already brought up and not removed. Curious

I find your questions valid and even acceptable. Mind you I have no intention of committing crimes like this but THEY ARE INTRIGUING so yes I understand. He taught me a lot. I really picked his brain about it and yes you are right he was a stick up artist.. but a good one. Yes a junkie, but he's an old school con and he's nothing to look up to but very interesting. To answer your question, no he never broke into safes (not that I know and he never told me EVERYTHING for one). From what I understand, he did try the burglary route (not sure how many times or how successful he was with it). He just told me he had to bail once from one because he fucked up. But his M.O was the stick up, run in and get everyone on the floor and have all the scheduled drugs in a bag in under a minute. There are ways of getting around the safes. I'm not going to mention them here. But trust me when I say, he knew what he was doing and he never did a score for a bottle of 200 ct percocets. He knew the whens, wheres, hows, whys and whos every time. So without going into details and methods, you can use your imagination. I doubt he was a skilled locksmith, but like I said he never revealed all of his secrets to me. Just a few. 8)

Also, I picked up a lockpick set and taught myself how to pick locks a while back. Very interesting hobby. And use sadly, it's a useful skill if you are a junkie and desperate. But there really is a satisfying feeling of being able to get behind a locked door, once that lock turns you know you are golden. Heh. Nothing I condone, but when you are down and desperate, well most everyone can relate. Safe picking on the other hand.. very interesting. I have considered going into the trade. Any advice, tips? Is it learn as you go apprenticeship or schooling or what? Just some thoughts for the future. I think it's something I could be good at and not for robbing people, but as an actual job. Any interesting stories?

 

[Counterintuitive]

Also, I picked up a lockpick set and taught myself how to pick locks a while back. Very interesting hobby. And use sadly, it's a useful skill if you are a junkie and desperate. But there really is a satisfying feeling of being able to get behind a locked door, once that lock turns you know you are golden. Heh. Nothing I condone, but when you are down and desperate, well most everyone can relate. Safe picking on the other hand.. very interesting. I have considered going into the trade. Any advice, tips? Is it learn as you go apprenticeship or schooling or what? Just some thoughts for the future. I think it's something I could be good at and not for robbing people, but as an actual job. Any interesting stories?

Thanks for answering. My immediate assumption is that he knew when they opened the C2 cabinet, and watched the habits of the employee's. At times it is a terrible feeling to be working behind a pharmacy counter, especially because as a locksmith you automatically attain the utmost trust... That trust and my own integrity are the only thing's stopping me from grabbing a carton of fentanyl... Yeah, like a carton is to a pack of cigs - LOTS lol

Anyway, lock picking is probably the least used skill as a locksmith - ironic. Although, it is a valuable skill that I have tuned finely. Keep in-mind, you can specialize in cars, commercial, residential, safes and so forth. Must appropriate skills, training, tools, and product accordingly. It is an apprenticeship, that last 3 years after which you must take a state test, which is no fucking joke. I hope you don't have a record because to even obtain your apprentice license you must pass background and get finger printed downtown. Locksmith's have to operate under strict state laws.

Good luck and maybe take this to PM if you have further questions. I would never pass judgment, but I don't suggest becoming a locksmith if you currently have a drug habit - You're going to steal eventually, and the law will ass-rape you for taking advantage of your trade. Trust...

P.S

You don't pick safes. They're nearly all digital now, and you drill those with spec's and patch your hole and paint - Locksmiths don't destroy, they defeat and repair. If it's a mechanical lock (dial) you have many points of entry, all depends on the lock.

 

[chinky]

man i got fucked up tonite...

its funny when you wake up from a nod and the last post thats shown is the one you just posted after you came out of a nod then...when i came out of it i just popped open anothe bag and broke it up into 4 lines..did one line, made the post, did another line and BOOM you wake up 2-3 hours later with the other 2 lines still sittin there and tryin to figure out how long you where out and now im pissed its 3am but oh well..talk about a good night

 

[axl blaze]

glad you're doing well, homie. glad you're doing well

 

[alteknj]

Thanks for answering. My immediate assumption is that he knew when they opened the C2 cabinet, and watched the habits of the employee's. At times it is a terrible feeling to be working behind a pharmacy counter, especially because as a locksmith you automatically attain the utmost trust... That trust and my own integrity are the only thing's stopping me from grabbing a carton of fentanyl... Yeah, like a carton is to a pack of cigs - LOTS lol

Anyway, lock picking is probably the least used skill as a locksmith - ironic. Although, it is a valuable skill that I have tuned finely. Keep in-mind, you can specialize in cars, commercial, residential, safes and so forth. Must appropriate skills, training, tools, and product accordingly. It is an apprenticeship, that last 3 years after which you must take a state test, which is no fucking joke. I hope you don't have a record because to even obtain your apprentice license you must pass background and get finger printed downtown. Locksmith's have to operate under strict state laws.

Good luck and maybe take this to PM if you have further questions. I would never pass judgment, but I don't suggest becoming a locksmith if you currently have a drug habit - You're going to steal eventually, and the law will ass-rape you for taking advantage of your trade. Trust...

P.S

You don't pick safes. They're nearly all digital now, and you drill those with spec's and patch your hole and paint - Locksmiths don't destroy, they defeat and repair. If it's a mechanical lock (dial) you have many points of entry, all depends on the lock.

Yea man, he was good. We're talking scores worth six figures WHOLESALE. But he did pay the price for his crimes, he's been in and out of prisons for 20 years. If convicted for what he says he has done, he'd probably be doing life. Crazy stories.

Anyway, yea.. I have a record so I would not pass a background check. And I know lockpicking is least useful skill as a locksmith. I wasn't under the assumption it was an easy trade, but I think it's something I could be real good at making a living. I would obviously work my ass off at it, but like you said.. I have criminal convictions. I doubt any state would license me.

 

[DavisK4high247]

I can pick an old school safe with the rotary type lock combonation on it, but it takes me time of course, if I were to rob a pharmacy ,I would have a team of crooks to work with, like an expert alarm disabling guy, a safe cracker (one thats better than me) and have night vison goggles, (i have 2 pair actually,,lol) and a device they make that can scan a digital safes locking mechanism and run like 10 million possible combos per second or some such Oceans 11 type shit...lol..I am not actually gonna rob a drugstore, it's all too technical with silent alarms, motion sensors, etc. etc..lol...but It is actually common according to my father who knows of some people in missouri who hijacked a truck full of psuedoephedrine leaving a place in Kansas City or somewhere that wholesales them to drug stores, as the are behind the counter in Missouri,Tenn, Ark, and by prescription only in mississippi of all places..lol..That hijacking was done in broad daylight, the driver was dropped of in BFE with no cell phone or anything except a bottle of water and instructions to walk that way 15+ miles and their is a store with a phone,you can call whoever to get you and the cops(the cops in the area are in the meth making and using business plus they take bribes, outsiders cannot sell there or the crooked spun out cops will bust them, while a meth lab is going next door to the police station and 5 guys in plain view are buying/selling or using meth in plain site) they kept the mans wallet, with his ID and home address, his cell phone and keys to his house and the truck he was driving,told him to forget the faces he had seen or his house and the pretty women and kids in his wallet pictures might burn to death or some shit like that....Thats going pretty far and those crazy tweekers would have had a buddy to go and kill that guy and his family if they got busted, that would be their first phone call!! It's crazy out here in the south and fuck, everywhere is crazy, but leave it to Missouri redneck tweekers to do shit like that...true story with some shit kinda guessing about what they actual said, but you get the general idea of the crazys...

 

[DavisK4high247]

Yea man, he was good. We're talking scores worth six figures WHOLESALE. But he did pay the price for his crimes, he's been in and out of prisons for 20 years. If convicted for what he says he has done, he'd probably be doing life. Crazy stories.

Anyway, yea.. I have a record so I would not pass a background check. And I know lockpicking is least useful skill as a locksmith. I wasn't under the assumption it was an easy trade, but I think it's something I could be real good at making a living. I would obviously work my ass off at it, but like you said.. I have criminal convictions. I doubt any state would license me.

In the early 70's and even into the 80's before digital alarms and cameras in the pharmacys , it would have been easier to do than now, and I dunno if I would hav erobbed a pharmacy even then,, my 2nd cousin is a pharmacist, although she is straight as an arrow and I get nothing from her, but thats cool, I'm glad shes a Pharmacist and is making good money and is not a dope head like myself..She grew up poor down a dirt/gravel road in BFE, Arkansas, but she made all A's in high School and college and pharmacy school, unlike her uncles who both did a few 10 year stretches in the state pen and one who did 20 years flat, no parole in a federal pen in Ft. Worth,Texas,, no parole in the federal prison system mostly, especailly not for a guy busted with 50+ kg of blow in a RV...he did not snitch out the man he was smuggling it for, and neither did the other uncles , the all worked for the same dude, and all did thier time in the 70's and 80's in the pen like real men do, no snitching on the man who paid them, they woulda get killed inside the pen anyway I imagine, but they were taught not to snitch by their dad(moonshiner) and so on, They did the crime and got busted and unlike 90% of the people these days, they kept queit, did their 10-20 years and then got out and have layed low,those are they guys that taught me about the world of dope ,and how snitches end up dead, becasue once the cops got "Mr.Big" they let the snitches float into the wind in the pen, so to speak..

 

[alteknj]

Really, it's easier then you think.. robbing a pharmacy. You just have to do a lot of casing and hit the right place. All you need is a driver with the get away car ready. There are a few methods of doing it, but doing it when there are least amount or no customers is best and catching the pharmacist/tech off guard. No big chain pharmacies. Only Mom and Pop type joints. If you know the who's, where's, when's, how's, etc.. you are good. You are in and out within a minute. You want to make sure that worker knows you will shoot him without actually going so far on your end. It's intimidation that gets the work done. Even if he hit an alarm, you would be gone and have a head start from the cops. Have a clean get away route.. possibly switch cars at pre-determined location. I'll stop talking now lol..

 

[DavisK4high247]

^^^ lol,yeah I know ,but I could make a much bigger score at night in a pharmacy, although the safe and alarms are a problem, I could easily do A run in and Point a 12 guage at the clerk and all that and score some pills, but if I was to do the crime with its penaltys, I would want to do something more complicated, and do it big!! lol,you know what I mean, if a motherfucker gets caught robbing a drug store, one thing is you got theft of controlled substances, using a gun in the commison of a felony,simultaneous posseion of drugs and guns- automatic 10 years just for that down here in Arkansas and Tenn. plus burglary or larceny or grand larceny, the cops could and would really rack up the charges , I imagine with my already not so spotless record, since I'm on probation till Feb. 2012 since feb. 2006 I think , and add the enhancements of a gun+drugs=10 years automaticaly, posseion of the pills I stole+ gun= 10 more years automaticly + all the theft, grand larceny and whatever they would pile on my record of drug possesion, DUI-Drugs, Public Intox- Drugs, Possession of weapons+ paraphanelia (4 charges total) plead down to misdemenor Possesion of an "instrument of Crime" and I think I would do about 40-60 years , maybe be eligable for parole after 30 years!!!

lol..no sir, If I'm gonna risk doing a long stretch in the pen, I'm gonna plan it out, case shit out, get the right people, some of my ex-con family members for example, and hit a pharmacy wholesale company on some long holiday weekend, when security is at a minimum, know the guards routines, cut alarms, monitor police scanners, have a truck and people to load the fucker,etc...If the guard got in the way- well lets say a few of my ex con family members said they are not going back to the pen , so they would go out shooting, guard taken care of,etc...lol

.A year or two ago i read about something like this happening in Rhode Island or some Delaware,somewhere, they loaded an 18-wheeler full of opiates and benzo's and etc.. wholesale pharmacy value,which is cheap as hell compared to the street wholesale, was like 10+ million , that was the companys monetary loss, they make they shit or sell it in bulk, so the drugs cost them a fraction of even what a drug store would pay!!! Talking about an 18-wheeler trailer full!!! Full as full!! I bet street value was 100+ million easy!! Really , 10+ million of the companys shit at wholesale warehouse prices!! Think of the wholesale street prices, and the retail street prices- fucking astronomical!!! maybe 200 hundred Million+ Crazy huh!?
I am afraid it takes some criminals with big brains and balls the size of basketballs to do that shit, plus a little or a lot of crazy -gonna make the big score or die trying mentality! Man, I do not think I got it in me,,not like that,,that shit was smooth, had to have inside contacts paid to help them with alarm codes and guard schedules,etc..Thats mafia style true gangster shit!!! lol..
And now I'm gonna stop talking now too..lol. A dude can dream can't he....lol..

 

[alteknj]

Hahaha.. Yes I have heard similiar stories. Specifically a Purdue warehouse getting hit, dudes made out with barrel fulls of Oxycontin 80's, 40's lol..

But a little bird told me an easy score would be hitting the delivery van that delivers drugs to Mom and Pop type drug stores. Find out the schedule and delivery times and do some casing. Close to 7 figures we are talking. lol

 

[Counterintuitive]

Davis, I think you mean to say that you can manipulate (By touch and feel) a rotary lock. Rotary's are unekeyed pad locks. And, the autodialer's are made to work on specific locks and take hours sometimes. so, you'd have to know the make/model of the safe lock before even attempting to be successful with one. I don't know anyone who uses them, either. The 10mil/sec autodialer is coming soon once quantum computers are around, and cost the equivalent of a current computer ; )
Silly wiki link, but it's helpful with some extreme basics and clearing misconceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-cracking

Altek, sorry to hear, and I only meant to make a note that it's ironic that lockpicking is one of the least USED skills in the trade. I do think I said least useful, but I meant to say least used - sorry. Btw, have you seen the documentary "Brick City" ?

 

[Counterintuitive]

Hahaha.. Yes I have heard similiar stories. Specifically a Purdue warehouse getting hit, dudes made out with barrel fulls of Oxycontin 80's, 40's lol..

But a little bird told me an easy score would be hitting the delivery van that delivers drugs to Mom and Pop type drug stores. Find out the schedule and delivery times and do some casing. Close to 7 figures we are talking. lol

Man, I'd OD so quickly that those 7 figures would never see my bank account. Some lucky person would find my body next to a barrel of oxycontin. I'd compare it to finding the end of a rainbow, if you asked me.

 

[ATLL765]

Yeah, I figure that if I ever hit the lottery or had some obscene amount of opiates in my possession, I'd be dead within a week.

 

[nowdubnvr6]

Yeah robbing the purdue factory or mallinkrodt factory would be the holy grail for me i think. And i would definitely be dead within a week.

 

[ATLL765]

It'd be a great week to end on though lol. At least you're going out with bang, pun intended. I'd love to just have a big ol' scarface type pile o' drugs on my table. Dope instead of coke, of course. I'm just going crazy in my fantasy land at the moment because I feel sick and shitty. Fuck not having my beloved hero....in.