Tryptamines 6g Natal Super Strength shrooms with 4mg Xanax

[chris_p]

What are we looking at here. Will xanax stop the chance of a bad trip? I just want sensory alteration

 

[pupnik]

I don't think that sedatives do anything other than sedate.
what is a bad trip?
is excitement bad?
it will counter excitement.

strong psychedelics affect the duration and intensity of mental contents which are from sensation and from memory.

the sedative does not change that aspect, just make you less responsive to the intensified sensation and memory content.

this is a bit like driving a standard gas vehicle while pressing the accelerator and the brake at the same time.

 

[chris_p]

I don't think that sedatives do anything other than sedate.
what is a bad trip?
is excitement bad?
it will counter excitement.

strong psychedelics affect the duration and intensity of mental contents which are from sensation and from memory.

the sedative does not change that aspect, just make you less responsive to the intensified sensation and memory content.

this is a bit like driving a standard gas vehicle while pressing the accelerator and the brake at the same time.

Yeah I get what you mean. This trip was very strong. It entered DMT Levels of geometry like autonomous voice communication and entity encountering. I saw a lot of strange figures which represented people I know telling me to fix my life. However everything had this 'bland' feeling all over it, like something was holding back the wackiness from touching me or fucking me up me which I believe is the benzos. They couldnt do much in that regard. Both the top and the bottom of the rollercoaster is flattened when you take benzos I've noticed. Not the most ideal. Glad I found out at least, and the trip taught me a lot about what I am doing

 

[Ismene2]

If you're going somewhere you don't like on a trip just say out loud "STOP THINKING. STOP" - and go look at the trees with your default mind turned off. Within 2 minutes you'll be onto something else. Forget the benzos.

 

[JackARoe]

Forget the benzos.

I say the same to people that do not already take daily benzos. If they do take daily benzos they are probably past any side effect that would bring the trip down. But if a person is not on it as a daily med then totally forget the benzos. Going through the trip is the way through. Benzos are a way around a trip. I will however take a tiny bit before I go to sleep at the very end. The very very end. I like the mind power that Ismene states as a much better way of going through the trip and learning.

I realize as i say this people have their own styles and ways of doing things so I don't want to come off as preachy. I would never tell another what to do. But I know for me sitting through the uncomfortable part of a trip until the rocket is out of the atmosphere is always very rewarding.

I remember one night I took 1800 mgs of gabapentin and 15 mgs of 4-ACO-DMT. I can say the gabapentin effect was about as strong as the psychedelic. And gabapentin is different than benzos. So even from there I now like to have all gabapentinoids and benzos out of my system at least a week to 10 days to get the max out of a trip I will take. At the end of the trip a tiny bit of gabapentin and benzo help me eat and sleep. But as I always say I have to pay my dues first.

Also isn't 4 mgs of alprazolam a monster dose? When I use it at the end I use probably .5 mgs. That is all that is needed.

 

[chris_p]

I say the same to people that do not already take daily benzos. If they do take daily benzos they are probably past any side effect that would bring the trip down. But if a person is not on it as a daily med then totally forget the benzos. Going through the trip is the way through. Benzos are a way around a trip. I will however take a tiny bit before I go to sleep at the very end. The very very end. I like the mind power that Ismene states as a much better way of going through the trip and learning.

I realize as i say this people have their own styles and ways of doing things so I don't want to come off as preachy. I would never tell another what to do. But I know for me sitting through the uncomfortable part of a trip until the rocket is out of the atmosphere is always very rewarding.

I remember one night I took 1800 mgs of gabapentin and 15 mgs of 4-ACO-DMT. I can say the gabapentin effect was about as strong as the psychedelic. And gabapentin is different than benzos. So even from there I now like to have all gabapentinoids and benzos out of my system at least a week to 10 days to get the max out of a trip I will take. At the end of the trip a tiny bit of gabapentin and benzo help me eat and sleep. But as I always say I have to pay my dues first.

Also isn't 4 mgs of alprazolam a monster dose? When I use it at the end I use probably .5 mgs. That is all that is needed.

Yea my first thought in my head was 'what the fuck was I thinking taking these xans would stop be from tripping balls' hahaha. In the end I only took 2mg xan in the beginning then another 2mg after the end when it started getting very wild and mystical. I had heard from my friend that the super natal strain is 1.5x that potency of cubensis so I had taken a heroic dose. It's definitely given me a new look at things. I might consider just smoking weed going forward and enjoying life as it is

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Why with all the Xanax? Your MDMA posts last week were pretty yikes and now only days later you're talking about smashing heroic doses of shrooms with once again high doses of Xanax. You said you were scared for yourself just a few days ago but have you actually learned anything from that experience?

I don't want to come across as judgemental and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with using psychedelics recreationally but you seem to be approaching things in a very reckless hedonistic way and I don't see it ending well.

Benzos stop you from feeling fear or worrying about consequences but maybe those things are actually what you need right now.

 

[chris_p]

Why with all the Xanax? Your MDMA posts last week were pretty yikes and now only days later you're talking about smashing heroic doses of shrooms with once again high doses of Xanax. You said you were scared for yourself just a few days ago but have you actually learned anything from that experience?

I don't want to come across as judgemental and there isn't necessarily anything wrong with using psychedelics recreationally but you seem to be approaching things in a very reckless hedonistic way and I don't see it ending well.

Benzos stop you from feeling fear or worrying about consequences but maybe those things are actually what you need right now.

Xanax has absolutely fixed my life in a way I cannot describe using words. Everything I was once incapable of I am capable of now. So I just need to know what it does when I take it with other substances since I cannot be off it at any given period of time

 

[paranoid android]

Benzos kill any trip for me

 

[Quasimoto]

Are you sure those are mushrooms in those gelcaps? I wouldn't expect them to look so uniformly white. I've also never seen them in gel caps before.

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and as others have said, benzos won't necessarily stop a bad trip, but it's fairly difficult to have a bad trip on benzos because they will stop the anxiety bad trips feed off of. Some of my best high dose experiences have been combined with benzos, because I can just let go and let the experience engulf me without the normal fear that is associated with such profound consciousness alteration. However, they can also blunt some of the positive, "healing" aspects of psychedelics.

 

[chris_p]

Are you sure those are mushrooms in those gelcaps? I wouldn't expect them to look so uniformly white. I've also never seen them in gel caps before.

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and as others have said, benzos won't necessarily stop a bad trip, but it's fairly difficult to have a bad trip on benzos because they will stop the anxiety bad trips feed off of. Some of my best high dose experiences have been combined with benzos, because I can just let go and let the experience engulf me without the normal fear that is associated with such profound consciousness alteration. However, they can also blunt some of the positive, "healing" aspects of psychedelics.

Theyre powdered super natal strain from SA. My buddy grows them. Theyre not as white in person more of a beige look

I think the benzos are a necessity for me. As I am highly anxious and prone to psychosis. The 'healing' can only happen if I have the ability to not care and let go. It's a lot less black and white and benzos arent just meant to kill trips, thats just from my experience

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Xanax has absolutely fixed my life in a way I cannot describe using words. Everything I was once incapable of I am capable of now. So I just need to know what it does when I take it with other substances since I cannot be off it at any given period of time

I hope so man. For many people living with anxiety or trauma issues benzos can feel like a miracle and used very carefully maybe they can be, but tolerance builds fast the returns diminish and once you're hooked on them few things are harder to kick and you seem to be self medicating with a short HL benzo at very high doses and no clinical supervision?

Then there's the impact on your impulse control which as you've recently demonstrated can be really dangerous. You also seem to be getting them off the DNMs which means you're wading through a minefield of RC benzos and more recently fet and nitazines, and based on how quickly you went from saying you were collecting them from the post office to gobbling the lot last week I'm guessing that you're not testing them either?

And now after smashing through 2 grams of MDMA in as many weeks you're saying that you're prone to psychosis and yoloing into massive doses of psychedelics while barred out.

Can you see where my concern is coming from or am I just being a jerk? I'm not trying to be I just don't want to see you getting yourself hurt and there seems to be a degree of cognitive dissonance between your stated intentions (using psychedelics as a tool for healing) and the actions you've taken in recent weeks.

I realize that I don't really know you and I'm sorry if I'm getting the wrong idea here, by all means feel free to disregard everything I've just written. I just don't want to scroll past and be like "yeah cool" when your recent posts seem to be fitting into a familiar pattern of high risk behavior.

Sorry again for the unsolicited reality check. I wish you all the best man I really do. Look after yourself.

 

[chris_p]

I hope so man. For many people living with anxiety or trauma issues benzos can feel like a miracle and used very carefully maybe they can be, but tolerance builds fast the returns diminish and once you're hooked on them few things are harder to kick and you seem to be self medicating with a short HL benzo at very high doses and no clinical supervision?

Then there's the impact on your impulse control which as you've recently demonstrated can be really dangerous. You also seem to be getting them off the DNMs which means you're wading through a minefield of RC benzos and more recently fet and nitazines, and based on how quickly you went from saying you were collecting them from the post office to gobbling the lot last week I'm guessing that you're not testing them either?

And now after smashing through 2 grams of MDMA in as many weeks you're saying that you're prone to psychosis and yoloing into massive doses of psychedelics while barred out.

Can you see where my concern is coming from or am I just being a jerk? I'm not trying to be I just don't want to see you getting yourself hurt and there seems to be a degree of cognitive dissonance between your stated intentions (using psychedelics as a tool for healing) and the actions you've taken in recent weeks.

I realize that I don't really know you and I'm sorry if I'm getting the wrong idea here, by all means feel free to disregard everything I've just written. I just don't want to scroll past and be like "yeah cool" when your recent posts seem to be fitting into a familiar pattern of high risk behavior.

Sorry again for the unsolicited reality check. I wish you all the best man I really do. Look after yourself.

You're correct and my impulse control is definitely being affected by the xanax. I just picked up another stash from the post office... I have a very high income job which has not been affected by my habits as of yet or nobody has so far noticed. I don't see a difference between fun and healing. People make out there that healing has to be some process of suffering which makes no sense to me. I want to heal by learning how to enjoy life (through substances) and new experiences. Or maybe I am just an idiot who has no idea what he is doing and is quickly spiralling down a rabbit hole. Either way, I'm going to find out real soon

 

[chris_p]

An eyeballed amount of MDMA (2 rocks) and a poorly thought out dash of ultra powerful shroom powder in some coffee. Let's see what happens...

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Xanax has absolutely fixed my life in a way I cannot describe using words. Everything I was once incapable of I am capable of now.

It most definitely won't last, particularly as you have stated how out of control it makes you, exposing you to risk of constantly upping the dose. If you don't quit, they will start cause more and more problems. Sustainable therapeutic effect from daily benzo use is not common, people who report that are outliers. Instead it tends to just make you depressed husk of yourself and eventually more anxious than what you were in the beginning. And getting off of benzos is humanitarian, biological, social and sometimes even economic crisis, it is so so so fucked up you do NOT want to experience serious withdrawals. whatever problems you have will seem like a walk in the park compared to that living nightmare when it hits you in the face.

I like the comparison that benzos with shrooms is like smashing the gas and brake simultaneously.

Considering your intense endeavours lately, I would keep off of both for a while now. 1,6 grams of molly over something like two weeks or whatever warrants pretty long recovery and rest. If you feel like you'd need benzo to trip, you are just getting dependent on benzos and are suffering of molly comedown. Give it a time and trip without benzos. Even if you could do all kind of messy combos, you probably shouldn't do all kind of messy combos. It might feel exhilarating as a plan, but it is just that, mess.

And I recommend combining psychedelics with gabapentinoids rather than benzos, if you feel compelled to do some sedative along with the psychedelic. It does not numb trip as much as benzo, while having some trippy effects in and of itself. I found shrooms+weed+pregabalin very dissociative, but it decreased visuals and made trip feel more casual.

 

[JackARoe]

It most definitely won't last, particularly as you have stated how out of control it makes you, exposing you to risk of constantly upping the dose. If you don't quit, they will start cause more and more problems. Sustainable therapeutic effect from daily benzo use is not common, people who report that are outliers. Instead it tends to just make you depressed husk of yourself and eventually more anxious than what you were in the beginning. And getting off of benzos is humanitarian, biological, social and sometimes even economic crisis, it is so so so fucked up you do NOT want to experience serious withdrawals. whatever problems you have will seem like a walk in the park compared to that living nightmare when it hits you in the face.

You always have a very poetic way to describe benzo use. Nothing I ever would or could go through. There are a few outliers here that take their .5 kpin 3 times a day for years and are ok but yes, most people are saying what you say. I mean even on a therapeutic dose of diazepam I felt like an empty husk but I was at a funeral so it there is one of those times I don't mind being empty. As long as I show my face. lol Then just sleep. I could never do that everyday. I am usually relieved when I am awake the next day. Feels better than the benzo to me to be clear. I find it sort of gross other than sleep and funerals.

Benzos kill any trip for me

If I remember correctly you are a daily user too and it still takes away your trip. Hmmm.

 

[paranoid android]

You always have a very poetic way to describe benzo use. Nothing I ever would or could go through. There are a few outliers here that take their .5 kpin 3 times a day for years and are ok but yes, most people are saying what you say. I mean even on a therapeutic dose of diazepam I felt like an empty husk but I was at a funeral so it there is one of those times I don't mind being empty. As long as I show my face. lol Then just sleep. I could never do that everyday. I am usually relieved when I am awake the next day. Feels better than the benzo to me to be clear. I find it sort of gross other than sleep and funerals.


If I remember correctly you are a daily user too and it still takes away your trip. Hmmm.

Almost daily user now. Im not dependent on them anymore i usually take a few days off every month or so. But ya even 0.5mg klonopin or 3mg bromazepam kills my trip outright. Zopiclone does as well

 

[chris_p]

Yeah so shit ended up real bad. I took a bunch of Xanax and blacked out. Consumed the entire gram of mdma drank all the shroom powder and took the 300ug acid tab all at once I just remembered reality completely breaking down I became god and existence just became one massive sensory experience looping over eternally. Apparently i was convulsing and screaming police found me lying on broken glass in a puddle of blood in the middle of the street had to be hospitalized. Wrecked my apartment and also broke my computer monitor. Hands/arms are badly cut and right leg is broken. Got evicted gonna find a new place to stay soon and move my shit. Job hasnt found out the reason for my hospitalization so I am in the clear for now. This'll probably be my last post for a while. Not messing around with drugs again they didn't lead me anywhere I wanted to be

 

[Joey]

Yeah so shit ended up real bad. I took a bunch of Xanax and blacked out. Consumed the entire gram of mdma drank all the shroom powder and took the 300ug acid tab all at once I just remembered reality completely breaking down I became god and existence just became one massive sensory experience looping over eternally. Apparently i was convulsing and screaming police found me lying on broken glass in a puddle of blood in the middle of the street had to be hospitalized. Wrecked my apartment and also broke my computer monitor. Hands/arms are badly cut and right leg is broken. Got evicted gonna find a new place to stay soon and move my shit. Job hasnt found out the reason for my hospitalization so I am in the clear for now. This'll probably be my last post for a while. Not messing around with drugs again they didn't lead me anywhere I wanted to be

You should flush the rest of your Xanax first thing. It's the main culprit to your issues for sure.

 

[JackARoe]

This'll probably be my last post for a while. Not messing around with drugs again they didn't lead me anywhere I wanted to be

I admit I am the guy that pesters people to update their threads. However I usually like good news and wisdom and learning. This tale contains the learning, and the wisdom based off of the conclusion.

Keep yourself well Chris, if you enter the notion of using psychedelics as tools go very very low, even 1 gf of mushrooms and skip the xanax. But have a little more faith in yourself and don't fear what happened. Every experience makes us wiser.

The whole thread lead up to its cautionary conclusion. But i am glad you are basically still kicking Chris. Take care of your health. For now it sounds like abstinence from all substances is a must. Clean up the split milk but remain wise. You are miles ahead of the next guy that will make the same mistake. Stay well.