Slow_Mobius
Bluelight Crew
The title sums it all up quite well. When I first joined bluelight, I made a very similar post to this one.
Short version:
Can taking tramadol daily at therapeutic doses cause permanent side effects from the SNRI component after cessation? How long can PAWS (if any) last if you take it daily for a year?
Can taking dexedrine one full day at therapeutic doses with almost no history of amphetamine use cause lack of motivation/tiredness for days after use?
Can Lyrica WD make you feel tired (I would think it would make you feel on edge and anxious)? Can it cause seizures? Can you experience acute Zolpidem (ambien) WD after taking slightly one-time, ~15mg doses if you have had a prior dependency?
Thanks for any responses, and I applaud anyone who takes the time to read the long version
Super Long version:
First, I'm sorry to the bluelighters to whom I've been a dick (except Ho-Chi-Minh
. I think the warning for abuse/trolling was unnecessary). That's a problem I've had lately, and I sincerely apologize. Anyways, I have a chronic pain issue that has been progressively getting worse and will continue to get worse. It's joint and muscular pain, and occasionally I'll get pinched nerves and shooting pains. I spent about a full year self medicating with cannabis while taking tramadol and ambien (zolpidem) for sleep. Seems to be a commonly prescribed regiment. I first joined bluelight about 6 months ago after successfully CTing everything to hopefully find something that would at least help me sleep through my pain since my previous regiment stopped working (big surprise with addictive substances). The suggestions definitely helped.
Kratom is 10x better than tramadol as a pain reliever and 10x less addictive to boot. I've been taking that pretty much daily with a couple short breaks. My doctor prescribed me lyrica, and I started out taking just 50 mg at night with zolpidem still when I really needed a good sleep. It slowly stopped working, and I worked my way up to two 50 mg doses in the evening and eventually had to take 150 mg over the course of the day just to not feel like shit. I fucking hate lyrica now. It worked wonders and knocked me out for the first couple months, but now I have to take it all day and it makes me feel completely unmotivated. I can drink energy drinks and coffee all day long and still feel like I'm on the verge of falling asleep since I've been taking lyrica throughout my day.
I tapered down from 150 mg/day of lyrica to about 100 mg no problem, but weird, weird shit has been happening since I've tried going lower. My WDs (at least i think WDs. I thought 150 mg would be extremely easy to come off of) have been paradoxical. Lyrica makes me feel tired, but when I don't take it, it's like I feel even more tired and crappy. I've been reading about Lyrica WD, and I didn't really find anything like this. I've also had lots of muscle twitches since yesterday night (about 24 hours ago for me). I've read GABA drug WDs can cause seizures, and I almost had my first panic attack when some muscles wouldn't stop twitching. And then again today, I felt like I was starting to have a panic attack out of nowhere, even after taking ~40mg of lyrica. Are these paradoxical WD symptoms typical? I also took zolpidem the night before nearly having the panic attacks, so could I have been experiencing some acute WD from the zolpidem along with the lyrica? I only take the Zolpidem about every 4 days, but I do have a prior dependence to it.
Other complicating factors: I took dexedrine several times over the last 6 months in doses ~5-10 mg/(6 hours) without any prior exposure to amphetamines. The last time was about 30 mg that I took over the course of about 36 hours (did sleep for 6 hours during that time with zolpidem). The last dose I took was about 2 mg 4.5 days ago. I definitely felt effects from it, though, until 3 days ago and I felt like crap for about another day after that. So could I still be rebounding from the dex? I've also taken tramadol at therapeutic doses for 2-day spans about 4-5 times in the past 6 months--the last time was almost 2 months ago though. Could I be experiencing PAWS from the SNRI effects of the tramadol?
I've had too many different drugs in my system, and I'm basically having trouble figuring out why I feel like shit all the time, and all the past problems of pain/sleeplessness are coming right back too. I've never felt like I've re-established the baselines that I had before starting to take the tramadol and zolpidem (little motivation, feeling tired all the time). Am I just permanently screwed by the SNRI effects from the tramadol? Self medicating with cannabis is out of the question now since I'll be starting my PhD (basically my dream accomplishment) in august and I'll be getting drug tested.
I've tried talking to my doctor for weeks but can't get a hold of him or see him. There's a chance I'll get in tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breathe at this point. I'm seriously sick of this feeling tired all the time bullshit and seems to just be getting worse no matter what I try doing. Taking less Lyrica makes it worse. Caffeine won't even touch it. I honestly would rather go back to being pretty much drug free, not sleeping, and getting through my day drinking coffee like its going out of style.
Thats my story. I was feeling pretty miserable when I first posted in BL, and now I'm back at square one with the same probs plus new ones. Thanks for any ideas/thoughts!
Short version:
Can taking tramadol daily at therapeutic doses cause permanent side effects from the SNRI component after cessation? How long can PAWS (if any) last if you take it daily for a year?
Can taking dexedrine one full day at therapeutic doses with almost no history of amphetamine use cause lack of motivation/tiredness for days after use?
Can Lyrica WD make you feel tired (I would think it would make you feel on edge and anxious)? Can it cause seizures? Can you experience acute Zolpidem (ambien) WD after taking slightly one-time, ~15mg doses if you have had a prior dependency?
Thanks for any responses, and I applaud anyone who takes the time to read the long version

Super Long version:
First, I'm sorry to the bluelighters to whom I've been a dick (except Ho-Chi-Minh

Kratom is 10x better than tramadol as a pain reliever and 10x less addictive to boot. I've been taking that pretty much daily with a couple short breaks. My doctor prescribed me lyrica, and I started out taking just 50 mg at night with zolpidem still when I really needed a good sleep. It slowly stopped working, and I worked my way up to two 50 mg doses in the evening and eventually had to take 150 mg over the course of the day just to not feel like shit. I fucking hate lyrica now. It worked wonders and knocked me out for the first couple months, but now I have to take it all day and it makes me feel completely unmotivated. I can drink energy drinks and coffee all day long and still feel like I'm on the verge of falling asleep since I've been taking lyrica throughout my day.
I tapered down from 150 mg/day of lyrica to about 100 mg no problem, but weird, weird shit has been happening since I've tried going lower. My WDs (at least i think WDs. I thought 150 mg would be extremely easy to come off of) have been paradoxical. Lyrica makes me feel tired, but when I don't take it, it's like I feel even more tired and crappy. I've been reading about Lyrica WD, and I didn't really find anything like this. I've also had lots of muscle twitches since yesterday night (about 24 hours ago for me). I've read GABA drug WDs can cause seizures, and I almost had my first panic attack when some muscles wouldn't stop twitching. And then again today, I felt like I was starting to have a panic attack out of nowhere, even after taking ~40mg of lyrica. Are these paradoxical WD symptoms typical? I also took zolpidem the night before nearly having the panic attacks, so could I have been experiencing some acute WD from the zolpidem along with the lyrica? I only take the Zolpidem about every 4 days, but I do have a prior dependence to it.
Other complicating factors: I took dexedrine several times over the last 6 months in doses ~5-10 mg/(6 hours) without any prior exposure to amphetamines. The last time was about 30 mg that I took over the course of about 36 hours (did sleep for 6 hours during that time with zolpidem). The last dose I took was about 2 mg 4.5 days ago. I definitely felt effects from it, though, until 3 days ago and I felt like crap for about another day after that. So could I still be rebounding from the dex? I've also taken tramadol at therapeutic doses for 2-day spans about 4-5 times in the past 6 months--the last time was almost 2 months ago though. Could I be experiencing PAWS from the SNRI effects of the tramadol?
I've had too many different drugs in my system, and I'm basically having trouble figuring out why I feel like shit all the time, and all the past problems of pain/sleeplessness are coming right back too. I've never felt like I've re-established the baselines that I had before starting to take the tramadol and zolpidem (little motivation, feeling tired all the time). Am I just permanently screwed by the SNRI effects from the tramadol? Self medicating with cannabis is out of the question now since I'll be starting my PhD (basically my dream accomplishment) in august and I'll be getting drug tested.
I've tried talking to my doctor for weeks but can't get a hold of him or see him. There's a chance I'll get in tomorrow, but I'm not holding my breathe at this point. I'm seriously sick of this feeling tired all the time bullshit and seems to just be getting worse no matter what I try doing. Taking less Lyrica makes it worse. Caffeine won't even touch it. I honestly would rather go back to being pretty much drug free, not sleeping, and getting through my day drinking coffee like its going out of style.
Thats my story. I was feeling pretty miserable when I first posted in BL, and now I'm back at square one with the same probs plus new ones. Thanks for any ideas/thoughts!
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