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6-APDB Or 6-APB ?

LysergicEpiphany

LysergicEpiphany

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I have created this thread to educate mine and also others minds on the fact whether the much-hyped "Benzo Fury" is in fact 6-APDB; or the unsaturated Benzofuran derivative 6-APB?
Can somebody who has tasted either of these chemicals make note on the effects of the compound in which they tried, and please; do not post if you are unsure which of the 2 it was in which you tested.
All I know of Any difference in them is the information stated on Wiki; "The difference in pharmacological effects between 6-APB and 6-APDB is unclear, especially as 6-APB is known to be an agonist at the 5-HT2C serotonin receptor, so may produce potent anorectic effects along with various other possible side effects."
Thanks in advance: LE (:
 
"benzo fury" is 6-apb. we've had a nmr spectrum posted in add.

vecktor has posted some info about the subjective differences between 6-apdb and 6-apb in the old 6-apb thread. i don't know if that post is still around with the mess that thread became...
 
I could be wrong, but I don't believe vecktor has ever stated that he's taken either compound. I think he was speculating if he said anything at all. I wouldn't be so quick to say anything being sold with the name benzofury or 6-apb is what it is advertised as. The only analytical tests posted were provided by vendors. There's so far two different vendors who have posted two different NMR's supporting their claims that they are indeed selling 6-apb, but I'd wager that they're selling two different compounds. From an objective standpoint, there's no reason to believe either one is telling the truth. The vendors responsible for selling brand name benzo fury had originally said they were selling 6-apdb but later changed it, saying they had intentionally lied about the compound being 6-apdb. This is fairly disconcerting since they're claiming they intentionally lied to the original testers by telling them they were taking a known compound (6-apdb/4-desoxy MDA), when they were really taking an unknown compound. There's way too many unknowns here for anyone to have the faintest clue what any of the vendors surrounding this fiasco are selling. The only compound in this area that we can be reasonably sure we have a trip report from is 5-apdb from fast and bulbous and a few other people. The others it's way too early to say.

It's entirely possible that the benzo fury samples may indeed actually be MDA for all we know. The pricing is in line with bulk MDA production (which can be produced in bulk more easily than MDMA), the marquis results are in line with MDA. The color description is similar to my atf MDA source which also had very similar effects to those described. Bulk suppliers have gotten away with selling banned mephedrone as a different legal compound, so it's not entirely unreasonable to think that someone would do this, at least on a limited scale, like the samples that were given out and only given out to UK testers avoiding customs clearance, with MDA. I'm not saying it is MDA. I'm using this as an example to point out how little evidence there is, and how the vendors are not only untrustworthy but also perfect rubes for any simple con game.
 
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saying they had intentionally lied about the compound being 6-apdb.
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Really? That's news to me. From what I've seen having followed this from the begining, it was a misunderstanding mostly perpetuated here, albeit aided by the fact that a vendor showed the 6-APDB molecule diagram although it was still labelled as the unsaturated version..

Turing Machine said:
IIt's entirely possible that the benzo fury samples may indeed actually be MDA for all we know. The pricing is in line with bulk MDA production (which can be produced in bulk more easily than MDMA), the marquis results are in line with MDA. The color description is similar to my atf MDA source which also had very similar effects to those described. Bulk suppliers have gotten away with selling banned mephedrone as a different legal compound, so it's not entirely unreasonable to think that someone would do this, at least on a limited scale, like the samples that were given out and only given out to UK testers avoiding customs clearance, with MDA. I'm not saying it is MDA. I'm using this as an example to point out how little evidence there is, and how the vendors are not only untrustworthy but also perfect rubes for any simple con game.
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Out of interest, when you say "the pricing is in line with bulk MDA production", what exactly do you mean? can you elaborate?
 
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LysergicEpiphany said:
I just want some fucking 4-Desoxy-MDA :P ... Is this Benzo Fury or 6-APB or 6-APDB? I understand 6-APDB to be 4-Desoxy-MDA; And Benzo Fury being 6-APB?
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me too, the latter, and exactly.
according to some info floating around on here on bl, 4D is said to have more nausea, but a better high than 6-APB. besides that 4D would have the safety advantage of not containing structures similar to hepatotoxic compounds.
 
4-Desoxy-MDA is 6-APDB I think, not too sure though I don't know much about these compounds and I haven't dared to venture into the other thread yet.
 
the problem also lies in the fact that 4-desoxy-mda is vague, as it could refer to either 6-APB or 6-APDB. the term "4D" does not elucidate the saturation of the ring, nor does it mention the fact that a carbon is added in place of the oxygen.

i hate to be a skeptic, but i'm beginning to doubt everything about this crazy hypefest. i realize there have been positive user reports, but i can't conclusively believe that the NMR spectrum we saw is actually from the compound that has been eaten by samplers. i want to see independent verification of actual identity and purity.

the fact that the 'official retailers' are going to try and sell it in pellet form is just ludicrous to me. at least during the crazy meph boom they could claim 'plant fertilizer' or 'room odorizer'... either the UK or US drug agencies or both just have to be keeping close tabs on this one.
 
I NUK3D U said:
countdown to trainwreck....
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Started in the 2nd post I believe. 8)

Did nobody read the following in the 1st...?

Can somebody who has tasted either of these chemicals make note on the effects of the compound in which they tried, and please; do not post if you are unsure which of the 2 it was in which you tested.
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Yet all we are getting is the same old speculation and guesswork...
 
This stuff is really sickening me. I posted a warning in the Global HR forum. I wish people would stop using the name "benzo fury" because it is potentially dangerous.
 
Last I heard, the vendors are uncertain whether 6-APDB is legal.

Benzofury people have put out sample batches that may well be 6-APDB (one of them certainly wasn't 6-APB).
 
judging by the recent amendment to the Misuse of Drugs act, and the ACMD's report in Naphyrone and analogs specifically the structures annex, the straight up phenethylamine version of these (ie 5 & 6-APDB) are probably legal, because otherwise they would not have bothered to include a methcathinone equivalent in the list of structures that that were covered by the amendment, though the structure they include also had the n-methyl which I think would have covered it in the original cathinones amendment.
 
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