Cyanoide
Bluelighter
First of all: It was never the intention to take this much 4-HO-MIPT. Bear in mind that 30+ mg is regarded as a very strong dose. I wouldn't advice anyone taking this much unless you are ready for an experience you'll never forget.
I consider myself an experienced psychonaut, especially with tryptamines. Tryptamines tried to date include at least the following, probably forgot some:
4-AcO-Dalt, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-DPT, 4-AcO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 5-MeO-Dalt, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-MET, 5-MeO-MiPT, DMT, DPT, MET, Psilocybin mushrooms...
As well as other psychedelics including LSD, 2C-C, 2C-E, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 25D-NBOMe, DOB...
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I was at my friend's place and started with 20 mg orally. However, the only thing that happened was that it produced a slight bodyload which was a bit uncomfortable, but no mental effects. I took it on an empty stomach. After 1,5 hours had passed I decided to take another 10 mg orally. The bodyload increased slightly but nothing else really happened. After another 1,5 hours of waiting I was getting frustrated and thought the batch I had just was very poor. So I decided to snort 20 mg. After snorting it, it took only 10 minutes before all 50 mg hit me. Everything happened very rapidly and I was more or less plunged into the trip.
Everything I saw with open eyes evaporated into something I can only describe as a "fractal smoke". When I watched a chair it looked liked smoke was rising from it, but this "smoke" was an astonishingly beautiful fractal chain that rose from the chair into the whole room and moved and morphed into different chains that glowed with all the colours of the rainbow.
I experienced total out of body experiences several times. I was transported into different places and suddenly realized I was back in the sofa. It felt like I was warped through the wall behind me in another dimension. Several times I asked my friend "where was I just? Was I here? How can I be here, I was just out in the universe, encountering entities like angels". The visual part was so strong it didn't really matter if I closed my eyes or opened them, if I closed my yes and then opened them the same visual would appear with eyes open.
The ego death was quite interesting, I've experienced it several times with other compounds but 4-HO-MiPT really took my mind on a journey away from my body in a very interactive way. I flied across the room "attached" to the fractal chains that were everywhere. I could just touch a chain and ride with it, fly with it. There were some strange personality changes where I took the character of a different human. At one point, with my eyes closed, I was a captain on a ship riding on waves of fractals. I could navigate through fractal landscapes that were more beautiful than words can desribe.
Usually the CEV's of 4-subbed tryptamines follow a certain pattern that then morphs and changes. However my CEV's when peaking were more of a concrete object in nature than just caleidoscopic colours and patterns. There were entities, humans, angels, universes, planets, but all were made up of fractals. The fractals were just so strong they formed clearly recognizable objects, not just beautiful patterns, shapes and colours.
When I breathed out, I could see my breath as this fractal chain that rose from my nose or mouth and spread into the room, filling it with my breath. Every sense was warped. Music was clearly visible and I had fun manipulating the music by dragging it out of the speakers.
My friend didn't continue after taking 10 mg orally so he told me some things I can't recall. I did lose my capacity to communicate at times and basically just mumbled a lot. Occassionally there were moments I was able to speak. The trip lasted very long, with a dose this high the trip lasted for 7-8 hours and faded away slowly. There was no chance to get any sleep for many many hours and I was thinking if I should just knock myself out with Seroquel to at least get some sleep. However I've once done this before and it feels very nasty to interrupt a trip, especially as the trip was enjoyable. It was just that I was starting to feel mentally fatigued as the extremely intense plateau lasted for so many hours. I took one beta blocker because my blood pressure had gone up to the point where I felt an uncomfortable pressure in my chest. It was long into the next day before there was any resemblence of being sober.
To date this is my stongest trip on "only" one compund. I've had a stronger experience with the combination of 1100mcg 25C-NBOMe + 100 mg 4-HO-DPT + 100 mg MXE. But on a single drug, I've never had a stronger trip (apart maybe from DMT and 5-MeO-DMT but they are "short bursts" into hyperspace, while I was in hyperspace for hours on this trip). My strongest acid trips couldn't match this experience. I'd say some of my strongest LSD trips would come quite close regarding the mental and spiritual aspect, but the visual experience is rivalled by none. It was the most visual trip ever and I don't know if I've ever experience anything like it. While I intensely like 4-HO-MiPT I would never take such a high dose again. The feeling I was left with was that I've seen it all with 4-HO-MiPT regarding high doses. My thought was this compound can't take me any further.
Also, I don't know why this particular batch of 4-HO-MIPT "behaved" like this. 20 mg is a moderately strong dose and should definitely have kicked in after 1,5 hours on an empty stomach.
I will definitely trip on 4-HO-MiPT again but at more moderate doses. Extremely strong trips have the downside of being hard to integrate afterwards. It almost feels like it was a dream, too surreal to give much spiritual and introspective insight. I like strong trips but when you cross a certain border the whole experience somehow becomes detached from you. It's not "me" tripping anymore, it's more like "I" observe things but am not really experiencing them.
Regarding 4-HO-MiPT, in some ways for me it's a bit like "a spiritual version of 4-HO-MET". Both are quite energetic (4-HO-MET more so), very visual, but 4-HO-MET lacks the depth I want when tripping.
I consider myself an experienced psychonaut, especially with tryptamines. Tryptamines tried to date include at least the following, probably forgot some:
4-AcO-Dalt, 4-AcO-DET, 4-AcO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-AcO-DPT, 4-AcO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-DPT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 5-MeO-Dalt, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 5-MeO-MET, 5-MeO-MiPT, DMT, DPT, MET, Psilocybin mushrooms...
As well as other psychedelics including LSD, 2C-C, 2C-E, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 25D-NBOMe, DOB...
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I was at my friend's place and started with 20 mg orally. However, the only thing that happened was that it produced a slight bodyload which was a bit uncomfortable, but no mental effects. I took it on an empty stomach. After 1,5 hours had passed I decided to take another 10 mg orally. The bodyload increased slightly but nothing else really happened. After another 1,5 hours of waiting I was getting frustrated and thought the batch I had just was very poor. So I decided to snort 20 mg. After snorting it, it took only 10 minutes before all 50 mg hit me. Everything happened very rapidly and I was more or less plunged into the trip.
Everything I saw with open eyes evaporated into something I can only describe as a "fractal smoke". When I watched a chair it looked liked smoke was rising from it, but this "smoke" was an astonishingly beautiful fractal chain that rose from the chair into the whole room and moved and morphed into different chains that glowed with all the colours of the rainbow.
I experienced total out of body experiences several times. I was transported into different places and suddenly realized I was back in the sofa. It felt like I was warped through the wall behind me in another dimension. Several times I asked my friend "where was I just? Was I here? How can I be here, I was just out in the universe, encountering entities like angels". The visual part was so strong it didn't really matter if I closed my eyes or opened them, if I closed my yes and then opened them the same visual would appear with eyes open.
The ego death was quite interesting, I've experienced it several times with other compounds but 4-HO-MiPT really took my mind on a journey away from my body in a very interactive way. I flied across the room "attached" to the fractal chains that were everywhere. I could just touch a chain and ride with it, fly with it. There were some strange personality changes where I took the character of a different human. At one point, with my eyes closed, I was a captain on a ship riding on waves of fractals. I could navigate through fractal landscapes that were more beautiful than words can desribe.
Usually the CEV's of 4-subbed tryptamines follow a certain pattern that then morphs and changes. However my CEV's when peaking were more of a concrete object in nature than just caleidoscopic colours and patterns. There were entities, humans, angels, universes, planets, but all were made up of fractals. The fractals were just so strong they formed clearly recognizable objects, not just beautiful patterns, shapes and colours.
When I breathed out, I could see my breath as this fractal chain that rose from my nose or mouth and spread into the room, filling it with my breath. Every sense was warped. Music was clearly visible and I had fun manipulating the music by dragging it out of the speakers.
My friend didn't continue after taking 10 mg orally so he told me some things I can't recall. I did lose my capacity to communicate at times and basically just mumbled a lot. Occassionally there were moments I was able to speak. The trip lasted very long, with a dose this high the trip lasted for 7-8 hours and faded away slowly. There was no chance to get any sleep for many many hours and I was thinking if I should just knock myself out with Seroquel to at least get some sleep. However I've once done this before and it feels very nasty to interrupt a trip, especially as the trip was enjoyable. It was just that I was starting to feel mentally fatigued as the extremely intense plateau lasted for so many hours. I took one beta blocker because my blood pressure had gone up to the point where I felt an uncomfortable pressure in my chest. It was long into the next day before there was any resemblence of being sober.
To date this is my stongest trip on "only" one compund. I've had a stronger experience with the combination of 1100mcg 25C-NBOMe + 100 mg 4-HO-DPT + 100 mg MXE. But on a single drug, I've never had a stronger trip (apart maybe from DMT and 5-MeO-DMT but they are "short bursts" into hyperspace, while I was in hyperspace for hours on this trip). My strongest acid trips couldn't match this experience. I'd say some of my strongest LSD trips would come quite close regarding the mental and spiritual aspect, but the visual experience is rivalled by none. It was the most visual trip ever and I don't know if I've ever experience anything like it. While I intensely like 4-HO-MiPT I would never take such a high dose again. The feeling I was left with was that I've seen it all with 4-HO-MiPT regarding high doses. My thought was this compound can't take me any further.
Also, I don't know why this particular batch of 4-HO-MIPT "behaved" like this. 20 mg is a moderately strong dose and should definitely have kicked in after 1,5 hours on an empty stomach.
I will definitely trip on 4-HO-MiPT again but at more moderate doses. Extremely strong trips have the downside of being hard to integrate afterwards. It almost feels like it was a dream, too surreal to give much spiritual and introspective insight. I like strong trips but when you cross a certain border the whole experience somehow becomes detached from you. It's not "me" tripping anymore, it's more like "I" observe things but am not really experiencing them.
Regarding 4-HO-MiPT, in some ways for me it's a bit like "a spiritual version of 4-HO-MET". Both are quite energetic (4-HO-MET more so), very visual, but 4-HO-MET lacks the depth I want when tripping.
with such an overwhelming trip about you, you seem to be rather tranquil throughout. most awesome. i know some coulndt handle it for sure.