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50 grams of psychotria viridis + 20 grams of Mimosa Hostilis + 3.5 grams syrian rue

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(A question. Can I cook the virdis and hostilis in the same pot using the same extraction technique?)


1) put 50grams of Psychotria Viridis and 20 grams of Mimosa Hostilis in a stainless pot.
2) add 2 litres of water.
3) add vinegar juice.
4) cook for 1 hour
6) take out the psychotria viridis leaves and shredded hostilis bark and put them into another stainless pot, add 1 litre of water.
7) cook for again.
8) combine left over juice.
9) boil down until its concentrated.
10) eat 3.5 grams syrian rue wait 30 mins, then drink the aya.
 
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No thats a bad idea!

Mimosa needs to be brewed seperately since you need to remove tannins for a doable trip.

If you just brew it and filter then most of the tannins will still be present.
What you need to do after decanted and filtered the mimosa liquid you put the container in the fridge for 12hours.

Then the tannins will sink and stick on the bottom.

Now it will be alot less nausoating and gross, also 20g is hige dose of mimosa, could be up to 300mg dmt!
 
Didn't know that, I'm sure I've had mimosa as part of Ayahuasca on one occassion at least.
What's the effect of the presence of the tannins, just nausea or will it affect the experience?
 
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It makes whatever nausea level increase several times.

Ive only had mimosa once without soaking off the tannins and it was not something i would like to repeat.

If i prepare it right i barely get nausea at all if i use extracted maoi.
 
Thanks for this! would 10 grams be better with 50 grams of virdis leaves? I dont think the leaves are that strong btw.

Okay, so you remove the "tannins" by just putting the liquid in the fridge over night? but even if it sinks to the bottom how can you drink it? surely it would just come back up?

ALSO, is the cooking process different from virdis? or do you just do the same with shredded mimosa ? or is there something you need to do prior the the extraction.
 
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Dunno about "tannins" causing nausea. Even with pure grade pharmahuasca using freebase DMT and moclobemide, when the DMT starts flooding your system you'll more than likely throw up your own arsehole. It's something to do with the DMT hitting your system that causes the nausea.
 
Nausea isn't the same as being sick. Throwing up isn't uncommon on Ayahuasca but in most cases it's a purging reaction, cleansing out the system and letting go of something. Happens at the other end too. That's a normal part of ayahuasca and is considered part of ts healing and not negative at all. I'd say nausea is different, more a sense of stomach discomfort. Of course nausea can lead to being sick but I think there is a difference. I've never really had any nausea that I can recall on ayahuasca, but that's just my experience. I don't think the ayahuasca automatically results in nausea, or indeed purging.

That said I've never tried moclobemide & only use DMT fumarate orally so there may be some chemical differences too.

Okay, so you remove the "tannins" by just putting the liquid in the fridge over night? but even if it sinks to the bottom how can you drink it? surely it would just come back up?
I suspect spacemonkey means to filter or separate the liquid at the top and drink it.
 
Okay so would I cook the mimosa hostilis with caapi or on its own? if its cooked with caapi, would I still be able to let the liquid sit after its filtered through something? or do I need to cook the mimosa hostilis alone for the bad things to sink at the bottom of the jar after a while?
 
Yes that will work keep on medium low heat, do it slowly, when I brew with Bark and leaf I always cook them in two separate pots, the bark will need a little longer on the fire, it is a meatier plant organism and the alkaloids naturally take longer to be absorbed into the water then thin leaves. Double check your dosage my favorite is 15grams Diplopterys cabrerana + 80gram Yellow McKenna Cappi + 15g acacia simplex + 1.5gram syrian rue, takes all day to cook and will knock your socks off be safe, your gonna puke and blast off hard for 4-8 hours if you do things right. I tend to forget where I am on the planet, my personal Identity, what substance was ingested, and if I am dead or alive, have fun :)
 
I've read you can reduce the tannins by using cold water instead of hot to do the extraction (though this increases the extraction time to days). I'm not sure how much role they play in nausea. I rarely experience nausea from ayahuasca when I boil down the extract into a dry powder and encapsulate it, but nearly always puke from the liquid extract, which I assume is because the extract doesn't absorb as quickly as when it's in liquid form (I've never puked from harmala seeds alone so they're not the culprit for me). People don't usually get nauseated from smoked DMT so I don't think it's a jarring effect to the system from DMT that's doing it, either. It may have to do with the more rapid rate of absorption of the tannins or some other compound in M. Hostilis from liquid extracts though.

If you do a cold water extract remember to boil the tea before you drink it since it'll be full of bacteria.
 
People don't usually get nauseated from smoked DMT so I don't think it's a jarring effect to the system from DMT that's doing it, either.

The oral dose is massively greater than the smoked dose tho, and it's in your gut too which adds massively to any nausea. Very few things smoked give you nausea. Swallowing them is a different thing entirely.
 
The oral dose is massively greater than the smoked dose tho, and it's in your gut too which adds massively to any nausea. Very few things smoked give you nausea. Swallowing them is a different thing entirely.
Is the oral dosage of DMT that much greater? From Ott's samples of ayahuasca brews:
Analysis of the Mimosa Hostilis rootbark (MHRB) amounts recommended (8 gms) when correlated with the amount of DMT found in the rootbark (average .57%) gives a total dosage of 45 mgs of DMT in the potion.
I have experienced nausea after IMing synthetic DMT before so I do agree that to some degree DMT itself is to blame.
 
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Is the oral dosage of DMT that much greater? From Ott's samples of ayahuasca brews:

But isn't that native brews in the jungle which they're using largely as an aid to help them get rid of intestinal worms? For a westerner wanting to trip 45mg of DMT orally wouldn't even be threshold. Most people need something like 150-300mg.

Even when I took DMT rectally - the second the DMT flooded my system I was vomiting and shitting.
 
Another way to remove tanins is to add a bit of gelatin to the brew, which binds to the tannins somehow and forms a dark brown goo that grabs a lot of fine particles on the way down. Make sure though that either you don't want to reuse the container you do this in, or that it has easy access to scrape this crud off because it is a royal pain to clean once it sticks to something. I ended up throwing out some canning jars after doing this as it was not worth it to try to get the stuff off after the fact. I can imagine that once this gum like stuff dries it might be easier to scrape off, but at the time I just didn't want to deal with it. There is also another product called polyclar which is used in homebrewing to remove polyphenols (such as tannins) from the final beer/wine just before bottling. This should work too, but I'm not sure how it compares to gelatin for this aside from the fact that polyclar is not soluble in water. This means that if you use an excessive amount of polyclar it would not dissolve in the brew, whereas gelatin would. To reduce the mechanical loss of dmt due to decanting it may be best to remove tanins before reducing the volume of the fluid.

On another note, traditional ayahuasca brews are generally one pot conglomerates of a variety of plants. I think the process of collecting the ingredients is much more involved (asking the spirits of the plants permission to harvest, etc.). If you wanted to do a one pot extraction, and something is likely to take longer to extract than something else (root bark vs leaves), then doesn't it seem like one might just add the ingredients at different times in the boil? Overall, I think it is mostly a matter of preference in the long run. One advantage of doing seperate extractions, however, is that you can get to know the properties of each plant and the brew thereof.

A shaman will tell you that the plants are teachers (or the spirits of plants). The formulation and preparation of ayahuasca brews are traditions based on many generations of beliefs and observations regarding the nature and how it relates to the cultures of those that prepare them. Ayahuasca is a sacrament of the highest order and traditional preparation is more akin to alchemy than chemistry. There are perhaps inefficiencies in their preparations from a chemist's point of view, but if you were to have a chemist prepare a concotion based on an assay of "active ingredients" in a traditional brew and try to duplicate it you would still have a different product (albeit still very active). It would be interesting to compare a chemist's duplicate 'huasca to a traditional brew it is meant to emulate in a traditional ayahuasca ceremony, but I digress this is spiraling farther and farther from topic.

Anyways, if it was me, I would extract everything seperately and combine all of the extracts just before reducing the volume. I would likely remove tannins before boiling the extract down, but it's not really a requirement. I've had mimosa hostilis extract with and without tannins and still got the purge either way, but without the tannins it was less bitter and easier to drink.
 
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