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5-Methyl-MDA, First time, Craaaaaaazzzy

roliepolie

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*REPOST* Old thread was cluttered with CRAP.

I had read on another website about an analogue of MDA:

"5-Methyl-MDA is mentioned for the first time by Shulgin & Nichols [1] and does look like a pretty interesting compound. It substitutes for (+)MBDB, MMAI, and DOI in their rat models suggesting effects something like perhaps a combination of MDMA and LSD."

It goes on to say:

"It has less than one-tenth the potency of MDA as a dopamine uptake inhibitor, which would prevent the serototoxic effects associated with MDA due to extracellular dopamine. It is more than 5 times more potent than MDA in inhibiting uptake of serotonin suggesting a suitable human dosage of 15-25 mg."

Well, by posting the link to the page in my report, I would be allowing access to the method of Synthesis... So I'll just tell you now that I 'obtained' an amount of 5-Methyl-MDA and have ingested it last night, and will now report my findings of this checmical.


*report*

After reading as much information on the subject as I could locate(not much), I carefully weighed out a dosage of 15mg, with two doses of 5mg weighed out to boost later, if needed. It should be noted that my tolerance to MDMA, and MDA is quite high, as my seratonin levels are depleted, but it has been 4 months since my last dosage of either.

Ingested 15mg 5-Methyl-MDA at 11:00pm, Eastern time, August 17th, 2003.

t+ 00:10 no effects to speak of yet. much nervousness with the fact that I have ingested a chemical that has never been tested by a human.

t+ 00:20 intense rush of energy, not and MDXX feel as of yet... more of a smoked AMT feel so far.

t+ 00:25 I only hope that all of mankind can some day feel as I do right now. I'll try my best to describe the feeling with the help of my trip sitter to type, it's very intense. Sitter: he describes a great feeling of hollowness building in his body, as if it has just lost 95% of it's mass... like he's gotten smaller, but encompasses all that exists in the room. He also describes a slight feel of MDXA, somewhat of a lovey feel of MDMA, but also very intense and rushy.

t+ 00:35 Sitter: he's almost unable to move, isn't able to stand. his blood pressure is on key with what it was 10 minutes ago. he's now describing a willingness to listen to some music, but not too loud. He claims to be listening for something, when I ask him about it he says he isn't sure exatly what he is listening for, but he knows that it will come and that he will know it when he hears it.

t+ 00:45 Sitter: intensity has picked up a notch, and it should be noted that he looks like he's having quite a bit of fun. I've never seen him roll this hard before... he claims it's nothing like Ecstasy. Or like LSD. His visuals at this point are mainly an intense brightness of lights around him, and at this point he's having auditory hallucinations. he says he's found what it is he is looking for. He just told me that he's getting a little bit scared by the intensity.

t+ 01:00 Sitter: His visuals have kicked in much more than as last reported. he's claims to be seeing a world of greens oranges and blue's... he says it's kinda like a haze, with what looks like a cobweb effects dragging across the room as though it's covered with morning dew and sparkling. he threw up when another intense rush hit him at :55 but I was busy tending to his needs and couldn't log it.

t+ 01:25 nothing new to report so far. he says this trip is becoming more like LSD and less like an MDXX substance by the second. he is still feeling surges of energy, but the majority of his stimulation is visual, with less emphasis on his body high.

t+ 1:45 the body high kicked it up a notch for him. he seems a bit confused as if on a high dose mushroom trip. he's kindof staring into space now and mumbling unintelligibly. One can only wonder how long this will last

t+ 2:15 he's having full OEV's now. he claims to be talking to a dead friend who is sitting next to him. I'm not sure as to whether or not I should allow him to continue that conversation or not. He became quite alarmed by a knock on the door 10 minutes ago. it was another friend of ours who is now watching him and making sure his conversation with our dead friend doesn't turn ugly.

t+ 2:50 his body high(peak) is gone now with mainly some speedy effects, none of the chemical crap hangover feeling of MDA is present, his visuals are still in full effect, he doesn't seem confused by them anymore but is still staring at them as though he's a little child. I don't want to interrupt him to get a reading on how he's feeling now. I can tell just by looking at him that he's doing just fine.

t+ 3:30 nothing is happening to report as of now. his visuals are still intense, he cannot describe them this second. He's communicating again, an thinking quite philisophically.

t+ 4:00 same as previous, lowering in intensity. Body high has picked back up some and is coming in waves... not as intense as the peak effects.

t+ 4:25 he's coming down smoothly now. visuals are limited to rings around objects... not lighted objects, but objects in general.

t+ 4:50 major effects have ended. he's got an MDMA like afterglow. No speediness. I forgot to add that he had major eye wiggles during the peak. I mean like FREAKY eye wiggles. He said nothing about it, but I could see his eyes crossing from across the room.

t+ 6:00 nothing has been happening. refused to take a booster dose. refused to post load with 5-HTP and Prozac. (to see how the comedown REALLY is?)

t+ 12:00 all major effects are definately gone. feel as if I could go to sleep now. Probably could have at t+6:00, but elected to endure any comedown effects for the sake of science.

So far my afterglow is perfect. Almost a day after mushrooms kind of afterglow for me. Doesn't have a chemical/fake feel to it.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I want to sleep yet. I'm enjoying life and had some major breakthroughs last night/morning. I think I'll stay up a while. I need to meditate on some things I learned during this 'trip' before I ellaborate. I just wanted to get a majority of what happened documented for all to read. I can answer questions about effects and such, but I'm still not sure about some aspects of what happened. It was an amazing breakthrough for me.

Enjoy. Be safe. I love you all.
 
Not God... Not by any means.

It's not a lot like MDMA at all. It's got the rolling feeling, but it's almost completely nullified by the utter mindfuck you go through.

I'll get more in depth later.

Right now, I think the afterglow is finally over. My brain hurts.

My friend made me question our friendship with his antics. Needless to say he is still quite sedated on Klonopin that I gave him, and have continued to give him... I can't help but feel he may be somewhat post traumatic.

I'm not sure how much I want to work with this chemical anymore after last night.

I'm gonna start with 2mg oral in about 2 weeks or so and work my way up to a dose which might the helpful... as it sits, 15mg was way too intense for any kind of helpful introspection, IMO.
 
Dude, that fucking sucks. so he went way out of control and had to be sedated? not a good thing. I'm sorry to hear it. will talk to u later about after effects tonight
 
craig420 said:
My question was not in regards to trip differences between MDMA and this compound but rather the chemical differences between the two compounds.

MDMA= N-Methyl-3,4-methylenedioxy-Amphetamine
5-methyl-MDA= 5-Methyl-3,4-methylenedioxy-Amphetamine

So, my question is how are these different? The chemical formula is the same. It is the structure then which must be different, but how. The assumption is that the methyl group is connected to a different branch. But which? Another mod had added a reply but since you so thoughtlessly deleted the thread, his reply was lost.
he said that he thought it would be placed on the phenyl and not the benzine ring
;)
I have a good memory
 
Darkmoonlight said:
ummm, I answered craig 420s question?

sort of...you answered what you recall another mod said (silverfucked?)...and the answer that that mod gave was also only an assumption (not a definitive answer), so...

I'm still left wondering. Does anyone with a good chem knowledge know for certain?
 
craig420: "phenyl" and "benzene" rings are synonyms. MDMA has its methyl placed on the amine (N atom). 5-methyl-MDA is different in a couple ways. it has a methyl group attached to the benzene ring at the 5 position. PM me for a link to a picture.

mnmguy: this isn't about flaming. it's about my duty to expose and humiliate errorists.

-Mundiferous!: it's hard to follow a discussion when half of it is deleted because someone thinks they can dictate what is said in thread because they own (TM) it.

[edited to say craig420 instead of crimson. i don't know why in the hell i put that. i apologize.]
 
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wuzzahga!

Hmm interesting thread. Like splatt said, i'm staying well out of it due to my lack of any real chemical knowledge, but why would anyone make up a trip report? You could potentially be influencing someone's decision in a dangerous manner...not a very responsible thing to do... :O

Well written though, even if the authenticity cannot be determined...
 
Very interesting report!

Okay, can I please remind people to STAY ON-TOPIC. If you wish to reply to this thread, discussion must be of a civil manner and about the experience or the drug.
 
Okay well, I am going to close this thread as it's bringing too much unwanted attention. Simple as that.
 
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