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5-MeO-MiPT - First Time - We all have our crosses to bear

hey, i lived for many years both in LA and in Boulder, i see where y'all are comin from...

while i think you are arguing about the definition of Shulgins' "museum level" doses, i still believe there can be peace (pipe) achived 'tween the peoples!

y'all should move down under - its like a museum in the Rockies...
 
Also subdefy, I am sorry the exchange of ideas got to the level it did. I don't take back any of what I said, as I meant it all and am not going to lie to you about that. Frankly, I was a little surprised about it all.

But regardless, I am sorry if you felt I was disrespectful or rude to you. I don't usually let it get to that stage. I did a few years ago, but it has been a long time since I went to that length to make a point. I feel I made my point, so I just wish to move on now.

/me takes a hit from the peace pipe
 
^You dont need to be whipping out any peace pipes to just calm down a little.

Life is up to the individual to decide how to live. If you want to trip in public and think you can handle it, then why not go for it. If it doesnt work out too great youll learn from it. You dont need to straight jacket yourself while tripping to ensure safety. If you have to restrict yourself while tripping any reacreational aspect is defeated. Most people have sense enough, or do not end up doing, stupid things on psychedelics. There are endless possibilities of abd events that could happen, but to fully appreaciate life risks should be taken.

And regarding the other dispute over knowing what youre taking before you take it. Its good to know what you are ingesting before you do so, but you dont need to compend an encyclopedia of trip reports. Psychedelic experinces can differ more from trip to trip than from substance to substance. Knowing all the details of what happened to whoever while taking whatever wont garuntee anything for yourself as everyone experience is unique. Besides, the certain spontaneioty is part of the pleasure of the experience. Just reading about the effects of a psychedelic in no way prepares you for anything. No language originated to accomodate the psychedelic experince, and therefore it is too hard to convey it , you must experience it for yourself to understand (as is true with anything I suppose).
 
And regarding the other dispute over knowing what youre taking before you take it. Its good to know what you are ingesting before you do so, but you dont need to compend an encyclopedia of trip reports.
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Well that is your opinion, but I've been reading bluelight since 1999 and I have seen what happens when people who have no idea about what they are taking (or why) get into trouble with psychedelics. Reading everything there is about a substance will make one aware of what can happen. AS you said yourself, each experience is unique. If you just got an idea of what a drug is by only reading one or two reports, then you have far from a clear picture of what the drug may do.

If you want to trip in public and think you can handle it, then why not go for it.
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You should go back and reread what I said, because I never said there was something wrong with tripping in public. I said it it foolish to take any drug you have never used before, at an extrememly high dosage, for the first time in public place. Big difference.

Over the years I have read so SOOOOOO many unexpected reactions at (often) what is a normal dosage for most everyone else. And if you don't see the danger in taking a drug you have never had before, at some four times higher dosage than recommended, in public, that you have never had before...then you are as blind, irresponsible, and foolish as (far too) many others here.
 
damn i didnt mean to start a huge argument. psychedelics teach me to forgive and love. not to be technical with little bullshit things. chill out. please . i just wanted another opinion and subdefy helped me out alot.

IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING CRONSTRUCTIVE OR NICE TO SAY DONJT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.
I LIKE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM NOT DESTUCTIVE.

PEACE
 
You are welcome to the opinion that I did not give "constructive" advice. Fair enough. However, if one is going to experiment with relatively untested psychedelics in their pure forum, then (ideally) one exercise a bit of 'technical' behavior when it comes "researching" them. You are not picking out candy in a candy store. These are powerful compounds that do hurt people when caution is not exercised. It looks more and more than for some people, just hearing of others winding up in a hospital is not enough to get the seriousness of what they are getting into. It is frightening to think of what it probably will take for many. :(
 
case in point is when the hardheads who first extol the latest tweaked molecules in high doses soon drop off the boards w/no resurface.

the rest learn, usually after a couple severe burns, and grow older w/a healthier dose of respect.

as we say in paragliding, there's old pilots and there's bold pilots. there aint no old bold pilots.

oh and Museum in the Rockies, its just so damned epic awesomely scenic and majestic, naturewise Downunder, and i reckon it just may be one of the few bastions of freedom left for self expression.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I never mentioned LSD once, so why are you bringing that up? I don't think a person should use any drug without fully researching it.
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Not trying to be rude, but, you don't think a person should use a drug unless it's completely researched? Everyone has to read EVERY trip report? I'm afraid that would take hours, days, weeks. Not everyone that wants to smoke a joint needs to know which receptors it effects, nor do they need to know the chemical structure of MDMA.

I agree with you partially, there are a TON of people that abuse RC, and even researched drugs. Some people just assume you can just snort a line of 2C-T-7 and you will be off your face for a few hours. People need to learn, and fast.

I personally don't want to develop some strange disease 40 years from now, so I'm staying clear from the DOxx / 2Cxx / 5-Meo-xx / etc drugs for now.
 
the best way to learn is to experence.
and i am not some kid picking candy from a store. i am very very experenced, and was just asking an opinion. i understand your concern morningglory, but i think you jumped to conclusions too quick. its all good though. i should have worded the question better. i was in a rush and typed quickly.
peace
 
bickoma said:
Not trying to be rude, but, you don't think a person should use a drug unless it's completely researched? Everyone has to read EVERY trip report? I'm afraid that would take hours, days, weeks. Not everyone that wants to smoke a joint needs to know which receptors it effects, nor do they need to know the chemical structure of MDMA..
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More and more it seems people try to counter an argument (not just here, but anywhere) by bringing up things that have nothing to do with the argument. So ignoring your irrelevant MDMA and cannabis comments.....Yes, at a bare minimum I'd recommend that anyone thinking of experimenting with Royal Crown Cola chemicals read every resource available, and then read them again. It may take days? So what? What is the rush?
 
Sorry for bringing up other substances, but they ARE something that should also be researched.

I agree everyone needs to be more educated, and make more responsible decisions.
 
I've been thinking this over again and taking in what morninggloryseed whether his intention was to help me or not (probably was but I'm always suspicious of ulterior motives).

Yes, it was "irresponsible" to take the dose in pulic but I feel the dose choice I chose was fine as I have sampled 4-HO-MiPT and had no allergic complications (assuming the 5-Methyoxy would not change the allergic-reaction ordeal) along with weighing the potential medical, health, and psychological risks and I felt the dose choice was fine based on what I have read (yes I read the erowid reports even the one's with intense psychological flipouts but those seemed to be a result of combinations / insufflation or previous heart conditions) I also based it off second-hand anecdotal reports most of which have not been submitted since the users are not writers.

Perhaps the report was not specific enough but I will soon be trying this compound again and will accurately record the exact type of visuals. Although while writing the report I had in mind to trying to keep to the drug mostly however the hot chocolate portion I wrote was meant to emphasize on the taste enhancement which was why it was described in detail.

Morninggloryseed I think it's a bit fast to jump to conclusion that I am the "icon" of irresponsibility as judging by a single report. I usually start at a much lower dose and work up ala 2C-T-7 (starting at 10mg). It seemed to me during the time that tryptamines have a far greater safety profile physically for people who do not have latent circulatory conditions.
 
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