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5-meo-mipt - first time - bad trip / questions for future

TheMadcapLaughs

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Hi everyone, i just discovered this forum and this will be my first trip report

i will give you a little background on myself

I am 21 and have been smoking cannibis daily since about 17. I never was into many other drugs although i have experimented a handful of times with a little bit of pills, very small amounts of coke, and have smoked wet (pcp) a few times. The first psychadelic i ever tried was mushrooms in march of 04, and it was a wonderful experience. 4 months later on the 4th of july i took mushrooms again, this time upping my dose to 5 grams, and had an even better trip.
In may of 05 i tried lsd for the first time and it was a very beautiful experience and it changed my life in a positive manner forever. I tripped again in june of 05 on LSD and it was once again a great time. In July 05 i went to the allgood festival and took an 8th of shrooms friday, and then 3 hits of acid saturday, and sniffed a very small bit of Ketamine on sunday morning. All of my trips at this point were powerful and uplifting and all around wonderful.

In early september of last year i was living with a very interesting chick i will call cat who loved to trip, and she was with me everytime i had eaten cid prior to this. We had a nice little apartment and were getting along okay. Her x b/f from out of town who is very much into psychadelics came to visit us one weekend, I will call him steve. On friday i had a shitty day at work and decided that maybee a little coke would liven things up that night. Before that night i had only done coke 2 or 3 times in very small amounts and enjoied the slight buzz a little. Cat got pissed that i wanted to get coke, rightfully so, but i got it anyway and we got into a fight and she spent the rest of the night in her room, while i sniffed a couple lines by myself, but in the company of steve. The next day we worked out our differences and all decided to take some 5-meo-mipt (moxy).

Around 6 Pm we all took 12 mgs of powder in a capsule. About 30 mins later i felt a slight body high. Although i have never taken E before, steve and cat had and I felt the same feeling of euphoria and amazing sexual body high that they described similar to E.
At 7:30 i was feeling great and we were watching a dvd of light effects and circles and it was pretty chill.
A half hour later i started to feel like i was about to start tripping really hard, sort of similar to a mushroom trip coming on. We were listening to some nice music and a friend stopped by to sell us an eighth of KB.
After smoking a couple bongs i realize that i am really high and just about tripping face, i start to feel weird, but will myself out of panicking. I tell steve and cat im going out on the balcony to smoke a ciggarette, and that was the begining of the worst mental experience i have ever encountered.
When i step out onto the balcony it was like a switch flipped in my mind, i start totally panicking, and just trying to calm myself down to no avail. I rush inside right away and i look at steve and cat and they are tripping hard too, i keep reminding myself not to freak them out by acting irrational but i am really loosing it at this point.
I will never forget, ever, that we had some hendrix playing and i could not hear a single word, just the music which was greatly distorted. I tell steve and cat im bugging and they try to calm me down but it's only getting more intense.
One of us had the idea to put in a family guy dvd, and when i tell you that it looked like the scribblings of a 2nd grader in an art class it could not even begin to describe how distorted the picture and sound was.
At this point i feel horrible because i see that im also starting to freak out steve and cat, but i really just cant get a hold of myself. Luckily for me Steve has tripped many times over the years and delt with just about everything and did his best to calm me down.
We put on some greatful dead, and i began to rant nonsensically about how i am going to be crazy forever, how i can't smoke weed anymore, my mother hates me, and all types of crazy nonsense. Steve calms me down, repeating it's only a drug, your gonna be fine, there only 5 hours left, 4 hours, 3 hours.......................
Towards the end i started to calm down but still had a very strange feeling. I wandered around my apt endlessly, at times lying on my kitchen floor in awe of how retarted i seemed to be.
Sure enough, as Steve said i gradually calmed down, and by 2 or 3 in the am i was rolling a blunt, and drinking a becks. I was back from my bad trip, but i still had a numb feeling in my head that has never really left me since.
I slept alright that night, but for the next few days even going to take out my trash was quite trying. Eventually a week or so later i felt just about normal again (whatever normal is lol). i have never had any real flashbacks or nightmares, but when sometimes when im smoking weed i catch that feeling i had when i started bugging, and to be honest it's really not bad at all, i think i almost like it honestly.

The only effect it has had on me is that one way or another, EVERY SINGLE DAY since i think about it. Not a single day has passed where i didnt at least briefly think about my bad trip, and i have done a lot of travelling and all types of things and it always enters my mind. it's not really a negative memory, but it's strange a day doesnt go by without me recalling it.

Since my freak out i took a hit of acid once in november and had a really weak trip that wasnt really positive or negative. I was a bit aprehensive at first but i got a little drunk (which is probably why i didnt trip too hard), and it was fine.

Soo here i am almost a year later, and the reason why i write this is a want to take some good acid again, but i am scared honestly. I have been slowly psyching myself up but i just cant get to that point where im ready to let go. Ive been reading a lot about timothy leary lately and listing to all types of early floyd/syd barrett, and just plain craving to trip.

Any thoughts?

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wrong section but nice report next time take a lower dose for your first time
 
trip.more said:
wrong section but nice report next time take a lower dose for your first time


sorry i didnt realize this was the wrong section to post this. Will a mod move this? please don't delet it took me ages to write.

And yea, i thought it was a high dose but i was stubborn and arrogant, you know "i can't have a bad trip! i've done bla bla bla before!!" "theres no such thing as a bad trip" . 12 mgs later shit gets crazy
 
Yeah, 12 milligrams is a really, really high dose if taken orally. I once took just a couple of milligrams, and went into a rather uncomfortable "+2 trip", which I could manage, though. I don't find taking it orally inviting at all, and even smoking it is a little peculiar. I don't know how accurate this bit of infomation actually is, but it's reported in Tihkal to require smaller doses orally than it does when smoked. With my limited experience, it really seems to be that way.
 
i feel sorry for ya brotha. Just a mindfuck i guess. 5meomipt in my opinion is the best drug i have EVER tried. including LSD and mushrooms. something about the body high is incredible. and its the most refreshing drug physically i have tried.
 
moxy is a strange fucking chemical. You probably just shouldn't take it again.
 
Nice report Madcap.

Tis a shame you had a bad trip, but they happen to everyone. There is a quote from McKenna in the Psychedelic forum right now about bad trips that mentions something of the sort.

I have done 5 meo mipt a few times. In fact the last time i did it i had a 12mg cap aswell but i thought i would dump some out just in case because i didnt feel like tripping to hard that night.
Now i have had 5 meo mipt a few times previously at higher doses so i dont know why this happened but i ended up going on a trip that sounds very similar to yours. I was pacing in circles around my room , confused, and this chemical which never gave me visuals before started distorting everything.
It really felt very alien to the body as opposed to things like acid and mushrooms which feels like they belong there.

BTW, Madcap its kinda funny running into you here, but i am the Steve from your story.

I hope if/when you decide to trip again you have a good one. Dont take too high of a dose on your first trip back and i think you will be fine.
And doses are a perfect way to jump back in.

peace1
 
delsyd, i can never thank you enough for chillin me out when i was buggin. Everything you and cat said and did helped me soo much and really helped turn it around as i was coming down. thanks again!!
 
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Delsyd said:
Nice report Madcap.

Tis a shame you had a bad trip, but they happen to everyone. There is a quote from McKenna in the Psychedelic forum right now about bad trips that mentions something of the sort.

I have done 5 meo mipt a few times. In fact the last time i did it i had a 12mg cap aswell but i thought i would dump some out just in case because i didnt feel like tripping to hard that night.
Now i have had 5 meo mipt a few times previously at higher doses so i dont know why this happened but i ended up going on a trip that sounds very similar to yours. I was pacing in circles around my room , confused, and this chemical which never gave me visuals before started distorting everything.
It really felt very alien to the body as opposed to things like acid and mushrooms which feels like they belong there.

BTW, Madcap its kinda funny running into you here, but i am the Steve from your story.

I hope if/when you decide to trip again you have a good one. Dont take too high of a dose on your first trip back and i think you will be fine.
And doses are a perfect way to jump back in.

peace1
Wow, small world, what a trip. {Delsyd} The brand name Sandoz labs gave LSD back when they thought it could be marketed commercialy...~AIC
 
ease back into it

i personally did not enjoy moxy after that experience, and although i find LSD to be one of the most beautiful experiences in the world, it all depends on your state of mind and your surroundings. you need to establish a distance from your own everyday life to be able to dissolve into your trip, or at least thats what works for me. Start with a low dose and stay in a comfortable setting. try having a good day before you take it next time, and definently take it with someone you trust.

i am the cat from the story....although i dont know you anymore i still say take your tripping easy and dont be stubburn and dive head first into things you arent completely aware of.
your former cat
 
I found 5-MeO-MIPT to cause paranoid/dysphoric trips similar to my trainwreck 5-MeO-DIPT experiences, except it's possible to be flipped around mid-trip and end up in some of the most ecstatic transcendental states I've ever experienced. I prefer 5-MeO-MIPT to LSD, but not mushrooms. The body high is excellent, and the realistic hallucinations and ego loss are something to rival mushrooms.
 
Snorted and sublingual, I'm pretty sure I mostly combined the two methods every trip. My first trip was definitely an overdose, I can't remember if it was snorted or sublingual but it was just one dose, unweighed.

'Twas one of the best trips of my life, one of the funniest (in a sadistic way), scariest, most beautiful, revealing, etc. Ended up in hell, then the Garden of Eden with my sister tormenting me to eat the forbidden fruit (it was a starfruit) and me refusing and hiding under blankets, then spent 6 solid hours out of body. Was staring at a candle outside my apartment's window, didn't know what it was because it was across the street. The flame enveloped my existence and I spent a seeming eternity as a white hot rainbow tinged fractal that expanded in said fractal pattern during each breath. When I'd exhale, I'd shrink back down to size. I had the notion that if I held my breath long enough (I wasn't consciously considering this action to be 'holding my breath', I only realized what'd been going on 6 hours into it when I came back to my body) I'd explode in a supernova-like explosion and end the entire universe's existence, and reach a permanent state of Nirvana to end all human suffering.

When I came back and saw that I was staring at a candle across the street, I couldn't stop giggling. I found the starfruit on my kitchen counter and got The Fear, but giggled again, took a big bite out of it, nothing happened, and I was very satisfied.
 
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TheMadcapLaughs said:
ahhhh i wish i could freak out like that again


and it makes me wonder

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ok i'm done with laughing........i'm glad youve come such a far way to say that cuz half a year ago you were still mad that u had taken it

love light n happy trails in all your trips!
 
Experiences where you freak out or have a difficult experience often are the most meaningfull of them all.

There are things you can do to stop it from getting worse,
like -distracting yourself, and ignoring the issue, but it'll keep coming back, at least in my experience
-taking a benzo to kill the trip
but the best thing to do (IMO) is just let the psychedelic shove it up your ass and take it like a "battiboy" :D
Give in and let go. It might not be pretty, and it'll still be a difficult experience, but in the weeks after, it'll all become very clear why and what exactly happened. I've gotten flashbacks too, from such difficult experiences. They definitely go away completely with time.

Shit, and thinking you'll stay insane forever.. I've experienced that too.
It gets worst if you don't have a watch/clock around you. Due to the time dilation. How irrational the idea might sound of staying in a trip when you're sober, while tripping it feels a lot less irrational.
 
i agree actually the thing that me (aka cat) and steve kept trying to tell madcap is that it is actually a good experience he will later appreciate.

the bad trips make you face what is beyond your ego. Because everyone can have those bad days that they are depressed or whatever you want to call it, but a bad trip is a much harder slap in the face with reality. The feeling of staying insane forever totally sucks however it does make you lose all ability to feel like a whole entity.It rips you apart and sheds anything you may know as an ego into pieces. However i think most people need that destruction to seperate them self and start to rebuild their own character instead of being introduced to the person they grow into to.....thats what makes beautiful trips so amazing, because you realize the same thing just on the other end of the spectrum....that there is an entire being seperate of you and it is bigger and far more real then your ego....the beauty and the horridness of the world are united and they are both seperate from identity and ego.
and both kind of trips happen when you trip alot....if you try to set the right settings then maybe you'll get lucky and have more of the beautiful trips and less of the bad ones but respect and learn from both i think.
 
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