5-meo-fumurate dose

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

5-meo-mipt fumurate dose

I have a sample of some moxy but it is in the fumurate form, does anyone know the ratio comparing dosages to the hcl?
As well does smoking the fumurate work? From what I've heard it's difficult to smoke properly unless its in base form

 

[sekio]

5-meo-dmt base mw 218.1
5-meo-dmt hcl mw 218.1+36.5 = 254.6 (85% as strong as freebase by wt)
5-meo-dmt fumarate 218.1+116.0 = 334.1 (65% as strong as freebase by wt, 75% as strong as hcl salt)

its probably very hard to smoke a fumarate

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

Oops I forgot to add in the mipt part haha, too stoned.
And it was supposed to be moxy not mock

 

[sekio]

5-meo-mipt base mw 246.2
5-meo-mipt hcl mw 246.2+36.5 = 282.7 (87% as strong as freebase by wt)
5-meo-mipt fumarate 246.2+116.0 = 362.2 (68% as strong as freebase by wt, 78% as strong as hcl salt)

 

[Deinonychus]

Actually, I do believe the fumarate salts are actually hemifumarate salts to be exact. So there's a tryptamine molecule ionically bonded to either end of the aliphatic chain of the fumarate. So there's only half as much fumarate as there is drug, on a molar level. So it's only 58 Dalton's more than the drug's freebase weight instead of 116.

 

[Kapitan]

Actually, I do believe the fumarate salts are actually hemifumarate salts to be exact. So there's a tryptamine molecule ionically bonded to either end of the aliphatic chain of the fumarate. So there's only half as much fumarate as there is drug, on a molar level. So it's only 58 Dalton's more than the drug's freebase weight instead of 116.

Really? I had the opposite impression; that is, that 2 equivalents of fumaric acid are almost always added, since the pKa of the second carboxyl is somewhat higher. Also, there's no financial incentive for companies to add less fumarate, since it's cheap.