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5-MeO-DMT Preparation

I was speaking withOUT an maoi. Good way perhaps to introduce your brain to it, prior to taking the plunge with a Rue+10mgOral trip. You will probably respond better to the latter, having been exposed to the molecule via the former and learning what a truly beneficent, friendly substance it is.

If you add an maoi, um, only do 1 dropper (15mg). And even then, I am sure you will end up "merging with the light" as I describe above. Which was actually rather pleasant... alot slower and easier to "Grok" than smoking.
 
This is good to know. Thanks! One of my biggest concerns was it coming on to fast and hard that I wouldn't be able to integrate the experience as well which in turn would probably make the experience unpleasant
 
I would reccomend DMT over 5-MEO-DMT honestly.

I have never had a good experience with 5-meo, and NEVER had a BAD experience with DMT.
 
I would prefer to try DMT unfortunately I don't have easy access to it while I do have easy access to 5-MeO.
 
this is an amazing thread ...

Dwayne, you blew my mind brother. I wish you could guide through the 5m with MAOI, sounds AMAZING.
How many times have you tried 5meo with MAOI? similar results?

smoking 5meo feels like my consciousness, mind, body, surroundings are a Space Shuttle Rocket that has ignited its rockets into full blast! fuck it is that intense ...
Dwayne, have you tried smoking 5meo ... ?

Guys im curious about something: during my first LSD trip after about 30 min i felt my whole body and mind made of Consciousness and everything around me was made out of Consciousness. It wasn't something i was seeing, but rather feeling it very clearly and vividly. It felt like everything was made out of Consciousness and I was obviously also made of Consciousness and part of this "One" Medium or Pool of Consciousness.
I still felt my sense of Self, but it was part of this One Medium, however i didn't feel like i had died!
Now that's different from the Ego Death reports I read from people (especially the 5meo ones) where people report feeling that they have died and then experiencing their Self as Source, the Absolute, the Divine, God.
In Ego Death, there seems to be a RADICAL shift in one's very sense of I ... the familiar I is gone!
Is this fit with you guys experience?
 
For example Love_Sex_Desire posted:
"When I experienced ego loss I felt united with the the universe. I felt my true self bursting through my ego and my mind expanded throughout the universe at a crescendoing rate. The faster my mind integrated the universe, the more ecstatic the joy of nirvana was, which literally brought me to my knees with my hands outstretched to the sky, in the pure, unfiltered and unconditioned ecstasy of "Mind at Large"."

... this definitely sounds like the real thing to me, though i have never experienced ego death ...
:/
 
DwayneHoover said:
^ It does seem to be VERY VERY common. But I think it comes not so much from any discomfort like feeling you had a heart attack, but rather, from a feeling of MONUMENTAL ASTONISHMENT that what you are feeling seems IMPOSSIBLE. Once you calm down your ego's panic "oh no I am dead" alarm and convince yourself you are alive, it is a GREAT feeling.

Smoking is probably too fast to get over it and get to place where you can enjoy it, but oral dosing with the natural MAOI Syrian Rue seed you CAN have the time to OBSERVE THE TRANSITION as well as bask in the "Divine Mind Everywhere" sensation.

Here... see this, from me, from the now quiet "Chasing the experience of death" topic
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=551751

I once became convinced I must be heading for death, doing 5-meo-DMT orally after an mao-inhibitor... here's a report:

NOTE: While I was in the midst of the below process, realizing what seemed to be happening, I momentarily had a little panic, thinking "No fucking way.... this sensation is impossible... this ***IS*** what it feels like to die... I must be dying, nothing else could POSSIBLY feel this astonishing." But fortunately I still had enough wits about me to do a little inventory. Pulse, fine, a tiny bit fast but no more than going up some stairs... blood pressure seemed fine, not popping veins anywhere... sensation every where, fine... respiration fine... I stood and walk a little and back, swung my arms, so movement and balance fine, body even felt a little euphoric in fact...

NOPE, not the slightest bit dead, silly me!

SO, I sat back down and gave in.

The magical mystery tour recipe: 3g ground Syrian Rue seed as an MAOI; after fuzzy feeling developed, 10mg 5-MEO-DMT dissolved in alcohol.

Methodically and gradually over the course of oh 15-20 minutes, everything went from being normal and still and "dead", to being totally ALIVE and whited-out with an overwhelming cosmic energy. Every atom and every stitch of space-time became imbued with a glowing vibrating awareness that was obviously the very ground of being itself.

The feeling/idea my consciousness was somehow being "created" by some mysterious electro-chemical process inside of my skull was revealed as an extreme folly, perhaps the height of human scientific egotism, a fairy tale we tell ourselves... OBVIOUSLY evolution had just worked out a sort of RECIEVER, like a radio, that captured and focused some of this.. this...

This omnipresent and eternal Meta-Awareness that was building and building, buzzing and sparkling all around me... the air, the space between the molecules, the walls, the rocks, the trees, all dissolving into their constituent atoms of "consciousness" that really made them up... not just visual, I *FELT* it, it was me, I was it. Not just light, but BEING, CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF.

My body and skull became translucent and permeable... "I" leaked out of my skull and melded with this "All Singing, All Dancing" energy and was everyone and everything everywhere for one shining moment that lasted for ever and ever. Thus once was all that was necessary.

And the most astonishing thing about it all, when the transformation was complete, there was one and only one actual "thought" that utterly suffused it all:

Love Love Love

What did it mean? Well as I interpreted the experience - The ultimate truth? All of our awarenesses, as well as the entire physical universe is something happening inside of some One And Only primordial eternal "I", nothing more, nothing less... consciousness created it all. (Just as Alan Watts demonstrates in "The Book") Whoa.

Here's almost exactly what it felt like:

http://www.alexgrey.com/a-gallery/8-24/dying.jpg
dying.jpg
Click to expand...

you are completely right. Just consider the alex grey painting. Nothing more need be said. That man is a fuckin' genius.
 
Dwayne,
Bro I can't thank you enough for your post about 5meo and MAOI ... simply brilliant and gives me hope that there is another way to arrive at Ego Death from 5meo without the midshattering explosion of smoking ...

How many times have you tried 5meo orally with MAOI?
Was wondering if you have more info on using 5meo with Syrian Rue ... any contraindications? can anything go really fucked up?
can i dissolve the 5meo in something other than alcohol or you recommend alcohol?

Thanks for help!
 
COMBINING WITH Syrian Rue:

Syrian Rue is a SHORT TERM MAO-B inhibitor... only lasts hours, and only inhibits one type of MAO... FAR more forgiving and less risky than the long term prescription MAO-A or A/B inhibitors (as in WEEKS). Read up on contraindications for Short-term MAO-B inhibitors. Google it, you should locate info.

The general contraindications for "MAO inhibitors" are a little draconian, telling you to abstain from, well, seemingly nearly everything, for 2 weeks before and after. Nearly impossibly IMO if you, oh say EAT FOOD TO SURVIVE for instance.

For Rue, you really only need avoid things with tyramine like beer and cheese, and stimulants and cold medicine and many other drugs (over the counter pain killers are OK though) for a couple hours before and after.

ABOUT SUBLINGUAL USE:

I don't think 4-meo-dmt would dissolve in water. And the alcohol serves another purpose: alcohol in the mouth greatly increases the permeability of those membranes, and so acts as a carrier to get the drug into you via that route.

Yes, the salivation can be profuse, somewhat burn-ey feeling, and holding the stew of saliva + 5meodmt + alcohol in the mouth for 10 minutes can be gross, but stick with it if you try. After that you can just spit if you wish as it is not absorbed via stomach, though it is possible that the mix of alcohol and saliva enzymes will have a little more absorption in the lining of the esophagus and upper stomach if swallowed.

Do post here or start a new thread on Sublingual 5-Meo-DMT dosing if you do try it. Good Luck!
 
Dwayne,
got another question for you: what the hell inspired you to take 5meo orally instead of smoking it??
:-)
 
Just reading about it. I would highly recommend reading the classical writings of Gracie & Zarkov's "DMT-- How and Why to Get Off", probably the best guide, goes into alot of options without all the froofarah that Terrence McKenna injects. Though his "Tryptamine Hallucinogens & Consciousness" is pretty good and informative and fascinating. All of these can be found online, and I believe that Erowid's DMT vault has links to them all as well.

That and the famous South American shamanistic "Ayahuasca" brew that so many swear gives very spiritual healing journeys is really a mixure of the Ayahuasca vine, another source of the harmine/harmaline mao-b inhibitor contained in Syrian Rue, PLUS the Psychotria Viridis plant leaves that contain N,N,DMT. So I knew the combo would be effective and interesting. The Syrian Rue is so accessable and easy... one heaping teaspoon of seeds in the coffe bean grinder, ground thoroughly to a fine powder, provides just the proper amount of Harmine... mix with honey or pnut butter or just spoon it a half-teaspoons at a time onto the back of the tongue and gulp down with something thick and sweet like pineapple juice which is ideal IMO. Wait 30-45 minutes till you start to feel a little fuzzy then do the 10mg 5-meo-dmt. All on an empty stomach. I already had it dissolved it alcohol in a dropper bottle, experimenting first with sublingual so that was handy, you could just as well take the straight powder, though liquid titration is a good way to meter the dose, and it being pre-dissolved may have helped it be taken up as rapidly as possible, which might have contributed to my experience.
 
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does the Rue + 5-meo combination cause the violent purge so well known and consistent in the Rue + N,N combo?
 
my friends call nn-dmt and 5-meo the glory and the power,wonderfull stuffs.neither will scare you if you realize you have to give up total control after taking them.sometimes when taken with maoi's the longevity can cause you to think you may have some control tho,,,,squash that thought quickly and you'llbe fine.happy landings.
 
My biggest problem will be letting go. I tend to be very analytical and try to analyze the experience and understand it, especially the first time I try something new. That's why I think I'm going to have problems the first time doing it. However the MAOI + 5-MeO combination sounds like that will be better for me to try the first time before trying to smoke it.
 
brilliant Dwayne ... you have this down to a science! yes

about how many times have you done the 5 this way, using Rue?
all of them gave you similar effects as the one you described above?

question for you guys: why do you think that smoking 5meo has such a fast shattering impact on the system?
i also read in Oroc's Tryptamine palace that people who had never smoked anything may have difficulty in absorbing the 5meo through the lungs ... any thoughts on this?

nice thread!
 
I just did it that way twice, using the Rue. It's pretty overwhelming, even knowing what to expect. Second time I did not have the "Oh no I am dying" panic, but it was still super intense and yes pretty much everything else was the same... a little less astonishing, though still there was a good deal of that present, which is always fun.

I've used the Rue also on its own (kinda a nice little mind-expanded, body fuzzy buzz), and also 3 or 4 times before Mushrooms... those it increases the potency, and also reduces anxiety, and also increases the feeling of having an otherwordly "Spirit Guide" sitting there next to you... its hard to explain, but it does make them feel "deeper" definitely.
 
D, im going to use the Rue on this coming week on my Mushroom journey ... and building up to 5meo plunge

do you suggest: 3g of ground Rue with honey, wait 30 minutes, then eat 2.5 g of dried cubensis?

i hope the Rue doesn't make the mushrooms feel insanely overwhelming ... i used to do 4g of dried cubensis till i caught onto the fact that I was "overdosing" with mushroom medicine (it was absolutely obvious, and was spending the first 1 adjusting for the over-saturation of medicine in my body), so since have lowered the dose.
In mushrooms I always feel each trip is answering exactly the question posed, but never experienced the "Spirit Guide" sensation ...
 
When taking the Syrian Rue with the 5-MeO what is the time line of the 5-MeO? How long does it take to come up, time to peak, length of peak, and total time? I'm assuming it is a lot longer then when smoking it I just curious how much longer.
 
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