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5-MeO-DMT - first time - am i alive?

VictorBorge

VictorBorge

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I finally received some of this storied compound today, and I couldn't wait to try it. I measured out 6mg of the freebase into my shiny new glass vaporizer pipe, took a few deep meditative breaths, heated the pipe for several seconds, and smoked it in 2-3 hits. I immediately felt something, just a bit of mental slowdown, equivalent to maybe a hit of weak pot. After a few minutes I decided that was all it was going to be for that dose, and decided to try more.

I added 12mg to my pipe, and then discovered that the extended heating period had fried my little Bic lighter. The flint part had disintegrated. So I went to the kitchen and used the flame from the gas range. The light was bad and I couldn't really see any smoke inside the chamber even after about 20 seconds; in hindsight, I'm guessing the exteme heat from the gas flame just did such a good job that the material went straight into a transparent gas.

Anyway, I took a monster hit and got it all in one puff. (By the way, I have to say, this stuff does taste kind of cool. It tastes like a plastic toy ... which is ironic, because it is the exact opposite of a toy.)

Almost instantly, I let out an involuntary groan of surprise and sat down on the floor. I leaned against the stove and with the last vestiges of normal consciousness, I realized I had better close my eyes and hang on.

I got the full white-out. Behind my eyes was ... nothing. Absolute bare existence and nothing else. I was looking into a void that was not vast and expansive, but incredibly close and intrusive, like a sheet thrust into my face. All thought disappeared. It was terrifying, and my heart was racing; I knew it would pass, I just wasn't sure how quickly. I "thought" (that's not the right word; maybe better to say that with my little reptilian vestige of a brain I "felt") that if this state continued I might well lose my self. It was like my highest dose acid trip times, literally, 100.

But after only about 20-30 seconds, my ego clawed its way back, and I opened my eyes and latched on to the first object in my view (the metal knob on a drawer opposite me) like a life preserver bobbing in the ocean.

I slid down onto my back and stared up at the ceiling. After a few more seconds a ridiculous grin spread across my face. I can't remember the last time I was so delighted just to be alive and in one piece! I had a massive head rush that was quickly turning into a dull headache -- it felt like I just stepped off the wildest roller coaster ride imaginable: I was elated, flabbergasted, proud of myself for having survived, and slightly ill from all the heart-pounding adrenaline of a near-death experience.

Twenty minutes later (as I type this), I can't quite imagine doing this to myself again any time soon. This is a first for me; every other psychedelic I have tried has left me wanting more -- if not immediately, then someday soon. This one ... man. I don't know. I'm glad I tried it, but that is some seriously scary shit. You might have to double-dare me to get me to do that again. :)

I wish I had some deep personal insights gained that I could share with you, and point the way to enlightenment. Maybe after a few days of perspective I will. For now just let me say, be careful with this stuff, but also don't let anyone tell you you can be prepared for it. It really is like dying, and it really isn't like any other material out there (that I've tried).

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nice report. stuff is no joke :)
i think i'd like to try it outside. What differences could I expect? (errr. what differences did YOU find, that is?)
 
You come back to life in the grace of the Universe's creation...Earth.

Have a look where I usually take psychedelics...

Find a nice tree, no one will see you all day, and you just look at those rocks and cry at the beauty.
 

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morninggloryseed said:
Welocme to the club. Next time, try it outside. I sware it makes all the difference.
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Great idea. I think I'll save my next attempt at this one for summertime and a secluded stretch of Lake Michigan shoreline....
 
I thought I would add a small addendum:

The day after this trip (today, just a few minutes ago in fact) I had what felt like a mini 5-meo-dmt flashback. In the middle of typing an e-mail I suddenly "zoned out" in the way you sometimes do when you're mentally exhausted or just need to rest your eyes. The screen went fuzzy and I stared for so long that my eyes dried out and teared up. It felt nice. No thoughts entered me head for about 30 seconds.

I've probably done this hundreds of times before, but now it strikes me as quite similar to the 5-meo-dmt experience. I'm not saying the chemical caused a flashback, but from now on whenever I zone out I'm gonna remember my first 5-meo-dmt trip.
:)
 
Yeah, welcome to 5-meo-dmt, as you learned, it really is as powerfull as they say it is. I find it more usefull after getting better accostumed to it. I usually stay below the whiteout point, as I find that there is more to gain from the lower doses sometimes.
 
Great Report. I am envious, lol.

I personally cannot stand 5-MeO-DMT. I smoked up to 15mg. I even smoked 5mg while peaking on 40mg DPT. And in all cases, i got nothing but physical discomfort. Somewhere in TiHKAL someone mentions that they felt 5-MeO-DMT as if there was an elephant sitting on them. That is not very far from the truth for me :). Nothing insightful at all, hardly psychedelic.

The only interesting thing about this compound is, as I have mentioned in anothter thread, the after-effect of memories being randomly and vividly recalled. This like a whack on the head that lets youremember things fromt he past. lol.

I will be trying to smoke 20 mg of this compound soon,and that will be the last time. We'll see what happens then.
 
^^ Be careful. That sounds like a scary dose (20mg).

Being sat on by an elephant.. :) I hadn't read that one. Yeah, when I describe my experience to people, I usually refer to it as having the same benefits as being hit in the head with a shovel (I think TIHKAL has something like this too), but without a permanent head wound. It reminds you it's good to be alive.

I'm actually interested in exploring the lower doses. I think smoking technique may be important here, and/or every milligram makes a big difference. Certainly my 12mg trip was WAY more than 50% stronger than the 8mg one, and the only difference other than dose was that I got it all in one hit.
 
Wow, so strange every time i've smoked it so far, i've experienced anything but a 'body load'. I have not smoked enough yet to have a white-out, what happens is if i know i've smoked a large hit, music and sound will 'do its thing' (dont know how to describe it, sounds like it is all flowing, breakless, yet also split up into a trillion pieces or something), and language and meaning of letters will go away, people talking will sound like a foreign language, and my mental state is just sort of, at peace.. Like relaxation, breathing, and taking in the hearing and vision but not processing it like normal, never any panic, complete opposite. I've noticed while in this state, IF i'm able to move around safely, i feel almost, "superconscious". You know how if you think about dreams, they seem "fuzzy" compared to "real life", well if i take a decent hit of 5-meo-dmt, i feel like normal consciousness is "fuzzy" compared to this higher state under 5meo. It is like the "framerate" of my vision is normally at 60hz, and 5-meo-dmt brings it up to 400hz. Not just vision but everything. I can also seem to concentrate and do mental tasks like a super super amphetamine without side effects. I can dance like crazy, multitask, read and process information very fast (not when I take in enough to lose meaning of language, or at least when coming down from one such dose), or, i can choose to just sit and relax my mind, and easily turn off the inner dialogue.

I've smoked doses where i've closed my eyes, and I would get some synthesia, seeing the music, i don't know everything is beautiful while on 5-meo-dmt. After reading so many negative reports, this is one I had skipped over the years (ordering i mean), but man I am glad I finally did choose to get some, because its definitely one of my favorites. A pure true psychedelic, mind expansion without so much in the way of visuals or whatever, although I get "visuals" on the higher doses. I notice lately, that this loss of the english language doesn't happen as much (maybe I just need to practice more with my smoking technique), but the first time smoking it (wrote a trip report, new years eve) I WAS on 4mg of 2c-e, which I didn't think had much of an effect but who knows.. It might have not been the low dose of 2c-e, but rather, for some reason it was a good thing to see things so clearly like body language/etc. without language that particular night. Like mushrooms 'guide' me in a direction for the trip, maybe similar who knows.. I did smoke some 5-meo-dmt after a mushroom trip with two friends this last weekend, and it brought back the "'shroom" body feeling although I wish I had smoked it while still on the mushrooms, well wish i wouldn't say.. more like, next time I am on mushrooms I will plan on it! I just didn't during the trip because I knew my sense of self would get blasted across the universe, and I wasn't sure how long i'd be 'gone' and didn't want to be gone for too long because I was having a great trip with my friends. Definitely on the to-do list though, I'm suprised I haven't seen many reports of smoking this on mushroom trips, but plenty about smoking while on other substances.

Welocme to the club. Next time, try it outside. I sware it makes all the difference.
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^^^ This past weekend although I was not really on the mushrooms anymore, I took a decent hit (told my friends) and walked outside, just watching the trees and the clouds, standing there, feeling great - although it was nice, a larger hit would have been better. Unfortunately, where I live, there are nosy "do-gooder" neighbors and other stupid people and I had to take the hit inside, and then walk outside, as a glass pipe seen by these do-gooders types would think I was smoking meth or well whatever.. I was at a friends house, although much better "view" outside than my house, and better backyard, the area is not a area where you can mind your own business, i guess you could say.. something like that anyway.
 
yaesutom said:
Wow, so strange every time i've smoked it so far, i've experienced anything but a 'body load'.
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Hmm, I wouldn't necessarily say that what I get from it is body load. ALthough my heart rate definitely elevates, almost alarmingly. It's more that the state of consciousness, or unconsciousness, is really, really radically different, and could be described as oppressive, I guess -- thus the elephant analogy.

But your description of the high is so totally different from what I experience that I think we have just very different ways of metabolizing this, or something.

I definitely look forward to experimenting a little with dosage and smoking technique. I'd love to find a dose that was somewhere in its effect between my 8mg (barely buzzed, not psychedelic at all) and 12mg (near death) experiences. I guess I ought to try 10mg, huh?
:)
 
Jamshyd said:
I personally cannot stand 5-MeO-DMT. I smoked up to 15mg. I even smoked 5mg while peaking on 40mg DPT. And in all cases, i got nothing but physical discomfort. Somewhere in TiHKAL someone mentions that they felt 5-MeO-DMT as if there was an elephant sitting on them. That is not very far from the truth for me :). Nothing insightful at all, hardly psychedelic.
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That is extremely weird. Every time I tried this chem it was pure bliss for me.. I agree there can be some body discomfort, such as a racing heart, surpressed or "weird" breathing, and a turning stomach. But if a large enough dose is taken, the body load simply dissapears and all that's left is your experience.

How many times have you tried 5-MeO-DMT and what were your dosages? What was your mindset at the time (positive, neutral, negative)? You may just have to find the right dosage, but it may also be that you're just not ready for it.. I don't know, hard to explain.
 
I remember my first few experiences with mushrooms, and for like a split second, i would experience this 'loss of meaning of language'. I remember getting freaked out, hearing my dad let out a sound that sounded so animal like and non-human.

I think back then it was being afraid to 'lose that grip' on what i'd known as "reality". So maybe now that I know, that there is nothing to fear, losing reality or whatever, because when i learned to just give in and let go, well in that place there is no such thing as fear anyway.

I don't know, if i think about it, if i were to smoke this stuff when i was younger and inexperienced, it probably would have freaked me out! Today it is all bliss... at any dose. I haven't even really experienced the full thing yet, at least I think? There were a few experiences where a little higher dose probably would have sent me into this white-out thing. I've experienced..well hell, how can I describe it, its just "bliss"! Certainly where I am unable to get up from what I am sitting on, where i'm just in a state of thoughtless, sound split into a billion trillion whatever pieces, nothing having its normal meaning, and just sitting contently concentrating on breathing deeply, taking in all this sensory input, but, not processing it. A deep state of some kind of mental relaxation almost. I have not quite totally lost my sense of my body though, so maybe I have more exploring to do.

It is great though, we're in the car, going to a CLUB, and the best thing to put me in the mood to dance, fuck ecstasy! gimme a decent hit of 5meo, and then get out of the car, and head right into the club!!! (blowing out the smoke as i'm walking, when i feel the effects come on to the level i like, or really actually letting out the breath before that peak is reached since it still goes up a little while exhaling and short time after). These are pre-measured low doses though. I think I only actually did this once before going into the club thing but anyway. This stuff gets me dancing and all, 'in the groove' with all those hotties ahh.. Yes I must have quite a wierd reaction, actually, considering I read all these horror stories long before I got some, and when I try it, gosh its quite a great "recreational drug" for me in that after smoking it, i want to get up and dance, even for hours afterwards, getting exercise, it was quite a suprise to me how good I liked it when I first tried it on new years eve. I guess it just shuts off that more, logical thinking side of me, and lets the other more, body-language and creative side come out. Something like that. I know to respect it though and I do not want to use it often at all, as especially the first time it really showed me something amazing, and well, I know the best ones on my list I should only use once in a while :)
 
Great!

Does anyone find 5-meo-DMT works best in the dark? Or in areas with less sensory input like Salvia?
 
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